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Swamper Send Private Message Posts:66
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09 Jan 2012 08:32 AM
    Hi all
    thinking of purchasing a pietta model 1851 navy
    confederate .44 caliber revolver. just wondering
    if any of you fellow shooters have any experience with
    this gun. if so would like to hear from you about it's 
    performance. thank you.
            ktwiyf & tsoyb
                                        swamper
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    44hunter Send Private Message Posts:152
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    09 Jan 2012 11:11 AM
    I've had one for about 12 years and love it. Only accurate to about 25 yds. Best load I found is 22 grains of 3f bp. Any more than that and the rounds start straying off target. I have only used .451 round balls but would like to try some conicals to see how they perform. They're definitely not hunters or target guns, but a lot of fun to play with anyway.
    The wreckage of my past keeps haunting me. It just won't leave me alone. - Ozzy Osbourne
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    Shiloh Send Private Message Posts:8181
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    09 Jan 2012 11:45 AM
    Pet peeve of mine: there is not such thing as a .44" "Navy" revolver.  Colt made his "Navy" line in .36" and his "Army" line in .44".

    O.K. if you get one, spend the extra $20 and get a steel framed model.  Colt did not make brass-framed guns.  Those are repro-or Confederate copies of Colts.  Brass frames, especially the Colts stretch with heavy loads & all it takes is a cylinder-full of heavy loads to ruin the frame.  Been there and done that!

    The .451" ball loads easier than the .454" ball.  The balls cannot handle a heavy charge well because once you load the ball it swages a small donut of lead and that is all the bearing surface there is on the rifling.  Push it too fast and the ball simply skips down the rifling, filling the grooves with lead and in no time you are getting very inconsistent rifling shot to shot.  The .454" ball has a slightly longer bearing surface and so can handle the faster speed better than the .451" ball but not by much.  Conicals have a very long bearing surface and so can handle any charge you can load in that gun. 

    Be sure to always load an over-powder wad or a grease patch in front of the bullet to prevent chain-fires.  The wads are easier to use but I find the grease works better for me by softening fouling with each shot. 

    They are a lot of fun and a hoot to shoot.  Learn how to take it apart for cleaning (I can forward my own directions I have for civil war re-enactors if you like) and master its loads and you will love it.

    The "knock-down" power of these is pathetic by today's standards.  I have taken squirrels with them, because they can be that accurate, but that is close to their limitations as far as hunting.  Just because it is .44" do not think it is a .44 Mag.  It is not even a .44 Special.
    I like my guns towed & crew-served! http://www.nps.gov/stri/ http://www.blockaderunner.com/ http://www.9thky.org/
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    cayugad Send Private Message Posts:449
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    09 Jan 2012 05:50 PM
    I had a 1851 Navy revolver in .44 caliber.  One chain fire episode and it ruined the gun.  The frame stretched.  The gun smith claimed he fixed it, but I never had the nerve to fire it again so I sold it to a person that wanted to hang it on the wall in his office.  That's because of the frame design.  Listen to Shiloh.  Spend the extra for a steel framed model.  






    I do currently shoot a 1858 Remington New Army .44 caliber revolver made by Pietta.  The holster I got from Blockade Runner Civil War Sutler Store.  Great place to pick up holsters, powder flasks that throw 20 grains exactly, etc..  Since mine was the target model revolver, so I did have to cut a notch out of the front of the holster because my revolver has target sights.  But that don't bother me.

    Load up 20 grains of Jim Shockey Gold 3f powder and a .451 roundball.  I dump the powder, then a felt wad, then the ball and finally cover the cylinder with home made lube.  No more chain fires for me thank you.  I am a retired police officer and my one passion was shooting weapons.  I was once pretty good with a handgun believe it or not.




    This revolver off shooting sticks is very accurate.  I still shoot free hand, but believe me that large hole would not be there.  But if I have a rest I can still put them down range with this revolver.  They have an excellent trigger.  And shooting JSG you can shoot all day without breaking the revolver down for a field cleaning.  I think that day of shooting I fired 60 rounds.  From a cap and ball that is a lot of shooting. 

    Also I use a loading stand to load my revolver cylinder.  It saves on the revolver and you.  I tried to shoot .454 ball once and they loaded so hard I was worried it would break the loading lever.  I have also loaded a .451 200 grain all lead bullet.  It shot all right but was a bear to load, as if you did not get it deep enough, the cylinder will jam on you.  Also the manual recommends a .451 ball for the Pietta.  My friend shoots a Traditions Cap and Ball revolver and his demands a .454 ball.  (how I know mine will not load them).

    These revolvers are a lot of fun to shoot.  And a lot more accurate then you might think.  Not a lot of power for say deer hunting, but for spending the day on the range and just having fun.. the Pietta will do the job fine.
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    Shiloh Send Private Message Posts:8181
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    09 Jan 2012 09:08 PM
    Blockade Runner is also a great place to get the guns and if you are really lucky get to talk to ME!
    I like my guns towed & crew-served! http://www.nps.gov/stri/ http://www.blockaderunner.com/ http://www.9thky.org/
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