i know we are going down the same path as many times before,i apologize,  


I have shot rage two blade for many years and have loved them and have never lost a deer this year 0 for three the first was a shoulder shot, my bad, no penetration pretty sure buck survived the next two the rage must of not opened  upon impact as shots were both lungers but  no blood trails the first i caught up to six hours later and beside the blood stain on his side he acted fine as he walked away, this morning pass, through lower lungs  no blood  i dont think it opened til it hit the hide on the exit side and her fat sealed  the hole  anybody else have bad luck with the rage

Feild testing some Rage 2 blade now that the club sent me. Have not had a a shot that I could take to see how they work yet.

I have been using the Rage 2's for a few years . Never had a problem with them not opening or opening prematurely . Didn't have to worry about blood trailing as they didn't go far .

I lost a deer this season,he was looking at me at 25 -30 yards I hit him dead center in the chest  followed the blood for almost 5 hours before I lost the trail.I went back to Muzzy,and well never switch again.

Posted By eagle1953 on 25 Dec 2011 05:08 AM
Feild testing some Rage 2 blade now that the club sent me. Have not had a a shot that I could take to see how they work yet.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW KNOW THAT HOW FIELD TESTING GOES, ARE YOU SHOOTING THEM INTO A TARGET LIKE A BLOCK IF SO HOW MUCH PENETRATION ARE YOU GETTING?  ive only ever shot practice heads that they supply

All I have heard is how good they are. But I cannot get them to lock one blade or the other is opening prematurely. Is there a secret to keeping them locked? Until I find a way for them to work I am going back to Muzzy's.

Lung shot deer die, plain and simple? Even if the hole seals, they will still asperate out of their mouth leaving you a nice blood trail. An opened rage hole will not seal, it is Huge! I've never had a rage not open on impact. You do have to be careful not to bump the broadhead while on stand because it will slip off the o-ring and open premature.

Never shoot a deer in the chest using a mechanical, only a fixed at best and then it is risky? You are better off raising and taking out the windpipe and possibly tagging the spine too.

In my experience with rage over the past three years of using them, and always getting a deer or three, is they could use a stronger o-ring. Other than that, they are devistating, so long as you keep the poundage up on your bow, they need the KE.

MRD, I believe he was referring to the straight-on shot posted earlier. At least that's the way I saw it. Sounded like looking at him and then the reply meant a frontal chest shot. I wouldn't do it as well with a bow.

Dead deer ya can't find, don't do ya no good.
Muzzy. And thats all I got to say about that.

Double post.

Got ya Dave ! Sorry GLW didn't catch that one .

I still second MRD on his comment. I've heard alot of bad out of the Rage along with the good. Now on the other hand, how many post have you seen saying I am having bad luck with a muzzy, not prematurely opening or not opening on impact. Not leaving a good blood trail, or hitting the shoulder and not getting penatration. My opinion, which everyone has, why use a broadhead where there is a possibility of it not performing to its max. I'm just saying i'd rather have a 10 for 10 on deer than a say 9 for 10 becuase i hit one in the shoulder. Little off subject, but back to MRD, my best friend shot an 8 pointer from 25 yrds 2 years ago in the middle of his chest facing right to him with a muzzy, he uses a 65lb martin bow (3 yr old model) and it blew right through to his heart and out his mid section under the deer. deer ran 40 yards and dropped. Now if your saying not to shoot at a deers chest when facing you, i think thats crazy, that bone is much thinner and soffter than a deers shoulder bone which a muzzy has no problem penetrating and killing a deer. I have also never had issues with a blood trail (unless i made a bad shot) using my muzzy's. i am a firm believer in muzzy broadheads over a broadhead that may work 9 out of 10 times. that one time you will wish you had it back when it screws up on a buck of a lifetime. Now, don't get to ugly about neck shots either, i know a few guys here in northern indiana where i hunt who use a .44 caliber rifle, and will purposely aim for the neck or even the ear so not to waste any meat. plus, to make it better, no tracking to do, drops them in their tracks. i myself, just can't bring myself to do it, but if it works for them, more power to them.

A frontal shot is risky at best. MRD, not a problem bud, I have always respected your views on hunting. There is way too much fatty tissue in the brisket to risk a positive heart shot. I also mentioned I wouldn't attempt the shot without using a fixed blade as outdoortrundra has suggested. I also use muzzies, as I have for the past 20 or so years. If you have read any of my prior posts, I use rage and muzzies with two different bows. Still. it's a risky shot ?
With that said, if you miss the heart on a frontal shot, you wll be doing a loooong tracking job and at best, find the deer. Now, holding high as suggested earlier, if you hit the spine, it will drop in it's tracks. If you miss the spine you will do a lot of neck damage or open the trachea, you will have a decent blood trail to folllow from all the trauma in the neck tissue. (which falls back on the guys who like to shoot deer in the neck, it does a lot of tissue damage) It's all up to the individual hunters basic morals on deer hunting, but doesn't mean one is stupid or crazy for having their own opinions. Base the facts on your own experiences, not others.

risky at best, admittitedly I have taken this shot one time...I was using muzzy 3 blade 100grs BHs..deer was on one side of the wall I was on the other...his head was down and I was standing there with the arrow nocked...he looked up I drew I shot, he went 30 yards directly away from me and did a summersault..and lay there grave yard dead...the arrow went through the arterial cluster hit the breast bone and came out just at the point of it, travled back towards is rear end and cut off the end of his tally wacker and went through the hangy downs ...hanging up on the fletching right there...didn't hit paunch or anything else..distance from me to him 7 feet...
after thinking about the shot..would I do it again..nope, too damn many things can go so very wrong...

If the blade won't stay locked on the o-ring it is usually because the o-ring has a nick in it. Reposition or replace the o-ring will fix the problem unless the blade itself is defective.

sorry GLW, I didn't see that you said only with a fixed at best, I wasn't trying to be rude, i just personally think its crazy (i think you took that wrong) someone wouldn't take that shot if comfortable with your equipment, but i respect any hunter who is ethical within their abilities, and everyone does have opinions based on their own experiences. I havn't personally shot a deer frontal yet, but if it offers me that shot only, i will take it, now if something bad happens to me on that shot, you best believe i will never do it again and will 100% agree, lol anything is possible. and if you do miss the heart, then you should hit lungs, lungs incase the heart so it should still be fatal, depends on the angle you are at though, but will be a long track job unless you give the deer time to expire. but i really believe that technology has alot to do with not being able to shoot deer through shoulders or frontal anymore. its all about speed with bows, and what happens when you have a lot of speed, you have lighter arrows with lighter broadheads with less k.e. so i guess it boils down to what GLW said, it depends on the hunters morals and how he hunts and what equipment you use on where to aim. two tales, thats horrible, lol you took that deers man hood away, but i guess as long as you utilized the rest of the meat. lol

OUTDOORTUNDRA just stick with your Muzzys and a total weight over 400 and those shoulder blades and ribs shatter like potato chips . Had one stick on exit on a hard angle exiting shot . hit the knuckle bone of the far leg . went 40 yds. He did have me scratching my head though at the time . Where's my arrow , it's not stuck in the ground ?

ODT,

after the shot he wasn't gonna use it nomo anyways...that was one of the shortest tracks I ever had..but in the best tracking situation you could have asked for...the exit at the point of the breast bone made an easy start for field dressing also...

LOL! TT, that's some funny stuff! A lot of strange things happen in the deer woods, that's for sure! Last year I shot a doe at 10 yards broad side. She was on high alert but I figured "how could she jump my shot at that close range?" I'm shooting a bowtech allegiance, 63 lbs, carbon express maxima tipped with a rage two blade. That deer jumped my broad side shot! At the release, she spun and looked straight at me and took the arrow right between the eyes! The rage blew through her skull, went down her neck and tore up her wind pipe causing her to bleed out 50 yards later. Amazing what a deer can do and even more amazing what an arrow can do! I was very lucky. Gotta love bow hunting! I've had great results with muzzies but like testing new products also. This year I shot two bucks using FOBS instead of regular fletching. They fly great and easy to build an arrow in seconds. I was using a new Trophy Ridge Revolution rest, worked great!