It would be "Cool" if we (as members, regular and lifetime) could get a response back on a few things.
I really hope this doesn't offend........and open up to many cans of worms because I do care and would like to help unite if possible. After listening to a lot of comments on the forum;

1. The testing program has had limited success as far as I can tell.    Bill any idea's about a fix = More offers maybe?
2. The give away....Not much beef here at least someone is winning and you do post the winners.
3. The talk about Premium or Additional cost lifetime memberships. Big area. Bill what is this about? (personally I haven't seen this).
4. The high cost of hunts offered to lifetime members is out of reach for most people (in my opinion). (For example: I know of is a hog hunt in Texas at $250 over feeders for 2 nights w/lodging.)  Bill with our numbers we (as a club) should be able to find more and better deals than the deals offered pass them along to members and lifemembers - at a fair price. 
5. Seems to me lots of folks are a bit lost in the club. Is there problems at the top? Is this non of my business or is it? Our representive at the Sportsman show in Denver was a bit of a let down (definitly my opinion but an opinion non the less!) Example why did we loose Michelle Bachman? If she was there with a booth and seminar telling her stories our membership would have went thru the roof! I'm sure of it. (again my opinion).
6. Bill many of us are wondering how many people are in the club and how many Lifetime members we have?

I joined because I believe (with the shear numbers of members in club) that we can get and pass along "good deals, good hunts, good taxidermists and places to go) and as a group drive down, not up our outdoor activity's costs.
 
Oh my God I sound like a politition!

I'll leave everyone with this; It's funny when it comes to fishing we can't wait to brag and tell people exactly where to go and how to do it, what depth, what color lure to use, how to get there, when to get there, etc. But it seems like when it comes to hunting no one wants give up there secrets or secret spot. = Human nature? Maybe a little.

Fighting for the little guys, With Respect,
Mikinaak

Very well put, and I agree. I doubt that Mr.Miller or anyone else is going to read this as I sent a message to the club over a week ago and have heard nothing back suggesting that the powers to be it would be in the best interest of the club for them to intereact regulaly with the members. I am beginning to think that they are afreid to as they dont want to have direct contact with member issues. It is a poor excuse but that is JMO, It dosen't change my opinion of the club as a whole just the management. It is a corporation and like many other corporations the higher ups dont want to deal with us pheasents, lol
I would love it if they would talk directly with us, I think it would take the edge off a bit.

If you were them, would you want to face the members of this "club"? Heck, for that matter, could you?

LOL well fact they made the stew and the should be willing to tast it. I know exactly what you are saying though, but if they spent time with the members here and faced us head on than maybe things would be a little different and with less ticked off members.

You guys all said it right .

What you need to remember is that the company already has our money, especially us LMs and TLMs, so they really don't care about us, our complaints, or our suggestions!!!!!!!!

rthomas how right you are, Not much you can do except keep bring the concearns of the membership to their attention repeatedly. Or just roll over and take it like a man. Honestly I'm not displeased with my membership, I feel It is what you make it and understand what type of club it is. I just have Thoughts as many do that could make it better and facing the members head on and adressing our concearns would not only keep the loyal members happy but in the end increase membership roles. Oh crap wait maybe a bunch of members should cancle so we have a smaller tester list and we get a better chance to test more lol. No just kidding, they should have more interaction with us. Each one of the clubs in north american membership group has different staff and heads so there is no reason that they cant deal with up on here and take a personal interest in our concearns for OUR club. Mr.Miller and his happy band say they are sportsmen and part of our brothehood than they should be here that is for sure.
Funny thing is, howe many of them do you think do post on the boards here and just wont give up who they are. Just saying.

Hi bear03,

Bill Miller started up a thread in the NAHC FAQ's section that I think will be able to answer some of your questions or concerns, to view it please click on the link below:

Click Here

Thanks,



Shawn
Webmaster

Sorry to be the first to tell you this Shawn, but that post reads like the typical press release from a big corporation blowing smoke where it don't belong. Not that I am surprised. However as rt pointed out before you are a definite improvement over the previous "webby", the fact that you read the post and got the execs. to at least acknowledge our concerns/complaints shows that you are doing what you can. instead of just censoring and/or kicking people off the site. For that sir, I thank you.

jlowe69 I would have to agree with you compleatly, although informative on a small scale it still dosn't directly address the members now. I still feel that if they would post and talk to the members on here maybe some of these issues could be resolve. The minor one anyway, Not all of us expect them to give us the world but just aknowledge us and try to give a honest solution to a issue and not a comercialised excuse. Did that make scence or did I confuse anyone.

bear03, Made sense to me. Instead of talking with us they choose to talk at us and not allow responses. Pretty much what was expected by most I suppose. Again though, Shawn does get some credit it my book (not that I matter), he is at least trying. I for one could have gone on not knowing that they scrapped the hunting properties to start the fishing company, er club. Wow, that was not a choice based solely on profit over members. lol Oh well.

LOL yah I hear yah,Well I am in upstate NY how many land leases do you think they had up here. I don't know were you are but same thing.

Yep, you got me there. I'm in Phoenix Az. so it probably wouldn't have done much for me either. The Tonto national forest is only a few minutes away though and that is like 3 million acres of public land so I don't have a shortage of places to go here , but I came from Michigan and that was a different story all together. Still some was probably in the states that now have hog problems and if I had a place to go that didn't want to charge me an arm or a leg I mite just be able to afford an out of state hunt. Oh well, I don't feel shorted either just think it could be way better.

Just to clue you guys in on something and that is that webby didn't have anything to do with Bill Miller starting that thread. He did it after a member rebellion several years ago where there was a thread started by 7mm mag and it went into a second thread due to the length of the first one. So I guess what I'm saying is that this new Webby is indeed blowing smoke up you know where, as was stated above!!!

And - ?
Webby, why can't someone from the club answer these questions?

The use of the word " Club "is misleading at best. A Club has a President, Vice president, Treasury, Secretary etc. and the members get to vote on issues and hunts/hunting. Since this is not done here this is not a Club but a business and we all know when it comes to business the bottom line is profits. For the life of me the one thing that really chaps my hide are the so called LM hunts as we all know that these hunts can be had for a lot less yet the ones offered are always priced double/triple of what one should cost. My opinion is again it goes back to the bottom line of profits and in this case I believe the high cost are used to offset the cost for the Club staff that attend to have their hunts paid for plain and simple. The one admin that posted he had been arranging these hunts for 15 years apparently does zero research and price comparison or the hunts offered would be more inline with real eveyday prices.

Several of you have posted some very valid points; but Big Dawg makes the most poignant point of all. When the NAHC was first started the Burkes had a vision of a "club" that would be for the members. When they sold out and moved on, all of the buyers who have followed ( there have been many) lost sight of the original intentions of the NAHC. Current ownership is no different than the one which first purchased the NAHC from the Burkes; all companies are in business to make a profit, otherwise they would be a "Not for Profit" organization. The idea of LM or TLM hunts have evolved into hunts for the financially independents, with an emphasis on making money from those hunts. I've suggested several times that smaller more localized lower cost hunts would be more appropriate for the majority of "members"; but, obviously that would not be in the best interest of profit making enterprizes for the company. I am well aware of increasing costs to publish the magazine and keep this site up and running, but at the same time the company must reallize that if it can't recruit and keep members they will eventually fail to make the profits that any company needs to stay afloat. I'm certain that many members such as Mr VJP ( who recently wrote an article for the mag. and this site, could provide enough articles to help maintain good reading for us. this could eliminate the need to have so many staff members getting some very expensive hunts on our dimes!!!! As a LM, I am aware that the investment that I made has long ago been spent so the benfits that I receive may not match the goals and profit potential that new membership provides. As with any company or organization profits must be derived from growth......that growth could possibly be promoted if the company would re-evaluate the manner with which it attempts to promote and provide for existing "members"!!!!!!!!

Well said rt4 and Dawg!!!

Heck that one deserves a round of aplause thats for sure. rthomas you ever thought about running for politics, I think with speaches like that you could win lol. I agree that
in a nutshell that this board and we the dedicated members NAHC. It does seem like the company doesnt care about us, exspecialy if we are life members and trophy life members because they have what they will get out of us unles we buy a book,video or any other trinket they may offer us.
I as many members would just like them to stop treating us mike membership numbers and interact with us as sportsmen that share the same interest we do. Again they forget as you and I have both stated in this thread WE THE MEMBERS ARE NAHC not north american membership group. If we all canceled our memberships and potential members decide not to join than they will as you said go bust. I realll think that their membership registrations have declined per year over the last few years, It will hurt them as a whole, remember I am talking about all of their clubs not just nahc. Most of this could potentialy be fixed if they would just give up the corporite attitude and come down to earth. Shawn no disrespect, I here you really try to get things done but remove the blinders. Directing us to that faq section is pointless, yes most of us understand what is there but it is a ad to most of us. I think you missed what I have been saying and others have agreed, mr miller and the powers to be should be here interacting with us, the members. We are the club and without us there is no NAHC.
No I am not trying to start a rebellion like someone did before, they need to be sportsmen, they need to be the average joe, they need to interact with us.Does anyone outside this boardin those offices realize that we can increase the membership more than they can. when people get invatations from themor someone is crusing the web and calls someone that is a member and says hay I was thinking about joining NAHC. If you have poed mebers than they are going to say what are you nuts, dont do it. Or make us happy, act like normal people like us and we answer the statement like this, yah that sounds great , you know that NAHC is a great clube to join and they really care about what the members, and their concearns when they arise.
Now you may say they care but they need to tell us,not you and they need to show us, not you. Honestly I will be happy when bill miller registers a profile with his name and the other powers to be do the same and start interacting with us.

HEY,.... I'm BACK ,..... (he-he)

Back to this topic are we ??? Well fellow members if you REALLY want to see where all our $$ has gone just look to the very bottom of the page and you will see just how many "CLUBS" this idea has turned into,.. from Hunting to Fishing and Handyman, Golf, Cooking, Health, History,..etc and they just keep on snowballing to whatever their imagination can come up with.

MONEY is their prime interest here,.. when the blood quits coming from the stone they open a new interest to have people become members of. Plain and simple,.. Mo' Money -- mo' money,.. that's all they have an interset in.

I still do pop in from time to time just to see if anything has changed here, and to check on some ol' friends from the past. Not many changes have been noted other than more familiar names have been lost and replaced by others who had fallen to the "Game" these business people play. Stay safe everybody,.. untill the next time,...