I'll say you are. I don't get any of mine at a general store. I have a spray lic. as the law says I must. The crap you put on yards is nothing. I use a 90 foot spray rig. I don't walk around a yard with a wand in my hand.

I got hazmat to haul some that I pick up with my flatbed. I guess you would know.

So your claim is as you say.

Pleasure to be a Life Member of the club with ya buddy, you're doing it proud. I knew I shouldn't have gotten involved in this after reading your banter with the other member. I feel like I'm debating politics or gay rights with another member except he can do it with respect and tact. My whole point is that when used properly, one does not have to think of 2,4-D as some sort of restricted use, turn your hair neon green, grow a third arm herbicide as you portray it. You mentioned giving accurate facts to people you may not know better in an earlier post, so that is what I am doing. As I said, it is on every shelf in every store that sells lawn care products that every Joe Blow homeowner who knows nothing about herbicides can go in and buy. If it where the devil herbicide as you say, it would not be everywhere. I don't really care if you use it or not, I don't have stock in it so I don't stand to profit in anyway if people buy it, I'm just throwing some facts out there. I don't know how you got on this tangent to start with as the original question was how to control GRASS in clover, with 2,4-D does NOT, it would kill the clover! When I was in the landscape business I was licensed, certified, bought my products at a supplier that only dealt with professional companies, sometimes we had it hauled in on a big truck. I've had a CDL license with Haz Mat endorsement, as have many others, so spouting your credentials dosn't impress me or anyone else I would guess. Maybe you're breathing to much of your non 2,4-D product from your big boom, I don't know what your big problem is and don't really care. As soon as it cools down from the high heat we have now, I'm going to go out and spray my yard with my Trimec with 2,4-D I bought at Farm Fleet with my Ortho hose end sprayer and be thinking of you the whole time friend.

That's funny.

I spray 1000 gal. Out at a time on my spray rig.

The crap you get at the stores is not the same I hate to tell you. I get mine in 250 gal. Shuttles and that’s not mixed with water.

You back yard spray people need to reed more about what is in the stuff you spray and what is needed to even handle the chem.

2,4-D is what cause lots of our vet to get cancer in nam and you make the stupid statement it's safe; you’re just another back yard sprayer with lack of facts.

Like I said you can buy smokes but does that make them safe?

Does it tell you a wind speed not to spray most likely not?

You to a local FS and ask them about it and get some facts, when you spray 500 to 800 acres a day I guess it's more then yards and more risk and better informed.

The only point you made is that you know nothing about the handling of chem. or the harm that can cause.

You think about me and that's good because I won't give your stupidity a second thought only for the other’s you might harm because of your lack of knowledge.

hey wcdh ,blow this out your spray nozzle.i just purchased a 2 1/2 gal of 2,4d to treat some weeds in a hay field that i cut a week ago.going to spray it tomorrow.bought it at tsc.compared it with some i purchase at a farm coop earlier this year.well guess what?made by the same company and has the same label on it and the same directions. the way i look at is ,if your so worried about what this has done to the many vets from nam,in-which i'm grateful for thier service as i'm a vet,and you say you spray 1000 gal tanks full of herbicides.i would say your a hipocrit.how many waterways and road ditches have you killed from wind drift.i don't know a farmer or spray company that hasn't done this.so climb down off your high horse and put it to pasture.the original question was what to use on a clover food plot to control grasses.we're not here for a pi$$ing match.

Now that you ask NONE. So now you know one. It's called don't spray in the wind, so I guess you have and that makes you a fool, theres things you can add to stop drift but I quess you don't know that, again lack of knowledge of how to handle sprayng.

The match started when you posted the wrong info. You where wrong.

You might want to read what caused the cancer in the vets from nam. 2,4-D is what it was.

You guys need to take a shower in it if it's so safe.

You guy's keep beating this I posted the facts.

I don't buy from general stores, I spray way to many acres.

So again you guy's keep showing what you know.

I'm glad you brought up what you know, and since I was not well versed on Agent Orange, I did a little research. It was a 50/50 mix of 2,4-D and 2,4,5-T. They did start to realize there were health related problems as a result of it, but the  problem was from the 2,4,5-T!!! In the '70's the USDA started to slow down its use, and stopped it in 1985!!  Look up Agent Orange and 2,4,5-T on Wikipedia. As I said before 2,4-D is the most widely used and readily available broadleaf herbicide today. So maybe before you spout off your "knowledge" and insult the opinions of others who cannot possibly know anything about herbicides you should have your own facts straight. I can't believe I spent this much time on this thread.

You don't know what the D stands for I see you need to read. YOU NEED TO GET THE KNOWLEDGE. You’re a backyard spray dummy.

Dioxins and furans are some of the most toxic chemicals known to science. A draft report released for public comment in September 1994 by the US Environmental Protection Agency clearly describes dioxin as a serious public health threat. The public health impact of dioxin may rival the impact that DDT had on public health in the 1960's. According to the EPA report, not only does there appear to be no "safe" level of exposure to dioxin, but levels of dioxin and dioxin-like chemicals have been found in the general US population that are "at or near levels associated with adverse health effects."

AGAIN YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT. It's not being well versed it's about knowing what you spray and you don't.

I post facts. You said 50/50

2,4-Dichlorophenoxyacetic Acid = 2,4-d that you buy at your general store = CANCER

2,4,5-Trichlorophenoxyacetic Acid

You can't tell fools nothing.

SAY YOU SAID:
As I said before 2,4-D is the most widely used and readily available broadleaf herbicide today. So maybe before you spout off your "knowledge" and insult the opinions of others who cannot possibly know anything about herbicides you should have your own facts straight.
AS I POST AGAIN YOU ARE WRONG AND NEED TO READ.

I'll keep spouting out the right info. But you need to stop spouting out the WRONG INFO.

So there’s the facts you asked for that shows you are WRONG again and show your opinion is WRONG. NOW THAT’S THE STRAIGHT FACTS.

if you have to put something the tank of chemicals that your spraying to stop winddrift ,then why are you spraying?didn't you just state not to spray in the wind.also,what is the effect of this chemical to humans,non-targeted plants and animals?i know you have the answer.since we are a bunch of fools and don't know any betteras your stating,what will you charge me to put in all my foodplots chemical free,weed free,high supplement for deer and birds.with your know how you could make millons and put every chemical company out of business.lets keep this game going.oh what the heck,i'm tired of it,i'll just keep doing it myself and the way that has worked for me for so many years.

I was just thinking about you as I was just at Farm Fleet and walked down the isle with all the jugs of 2,4-D. I really can't make any sense out of your last post, maybe you were in a rush and were just typing random thoughts. I did a fact check of myself and it does turn out that 2,4-D is the most widely used broadleaf herbicide in the world. No one has argued with you that dioxins and exposure to heavy concentrations of chemicals is good for you. All that has been said in response to your statement that "2,4-D is really bad stuff" is to clarify that when used properly according to label directions which would include proper protective equipment and proper weather conditions that it's impact is going to be minimal. I still can figure out what your big problem with it is, and you really havn't given a rational reason, and I really don't care, I am bored with this. I have to spray my lawn and sorghum with 2,4-D.

You can't explain it to fools.

I put the the drift reducer in it all the time just to be safe.

LOL spraying sorghum this late.....hum, maybe you were in a rush and were just typing random thoughts. That tells me alot.

You two keep it going, I'm sure you know it all, being stupid is your given right.

Thanks guys. We have learned that 2,4-D is very toxic, and can and will effect the human brain in a negative way.
 Sorry, nothing meant by that, just couldn't help myself.

You're right, I wasn't really going to spray my food plot, I was just trying to get one last one in. Glad it worked. Have a good weekend.

I do apologize to all the other members who followed this, although I did try to make it somewhat entertaining. Good luck to ya Farmer Red. I really am done now.

i'm with ya g-faber.i see horndoghas jumped in to play for a bit.goodluck horndog with this game.hi ho hi ho off to spray i go.

Damn, I would have sworn I was just in the Miscellaneous Forum and I think horndog did too, LOL!!!

Posted By Topgun 30-06 on 20 Aug 2010 12:51 PM
Damn, I would have sworn I was just in the Miscellaneous Forum and I think horndog did too, LOL!!!

Please clarify why one set of actions is acceptable in Miscellaneous and not in other topics

And to stay on topic; I mix my 2,4,D-Amine with Tordon

And that's my expert opinion.
Sorry, nothing meant by that, just couldn't help myself.

just stay away from anything with atresene (not sure i spelled that correctly)