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14 Jun 2010 05:17 AM
    I am looking for help in picking out a herbicide that will kill grass and weeds, but will not hurt my clover plot. I f anyone has any suggestions I would greatly appreciate it thanks.
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    14 Jun 2010 05:57 AM
    Try contacting the ppl at white tail institute..they sell stuff for that...I mow..before the weeds seed out
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    02 Jul 2010 06:14 PM
    Good luck. I can tell you spray round up and add a post or premergment might help. You need to know that some sprays you need a license for and they won't even sell it to you if you don't have one. If you want a good kill before you start use 2-4-D Thats some bad stuff to use so be very careful and don't get it on you.
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    03 Jul 2010 06:03 AM
    2,4d is a broadleaf herbicide,it will kill only broadleaf plants such as clover.it won't kill the grass.the mix rate for it is the same as round-up.round-up or glysophate sprays will kill all.neither one will not harm as long as you don;t drink,inhale or or have large amounts of consitrate on you.each of these chemicals can be purchased at wal-mart,tsc,lowes etc.as to spray to kill one and not harm the other will be tough to do.wti has a spray that will do that or contact your local farm chemical company to see what they have.if the grass is to thick,it may be a good choice to kill all of and replant.you have plenty of time to get this done before season starts.
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    03 Jul 2010 07:55 AM
    As to 2-4-D I guess you don't know that it was used in agent orange in nam. I guess you don't know what it did to the people it got droped on. Cancer is what it caused.

    I said a good kill I did not say to spray it on his clover. Round up. Duramax the same. Crossbow kills pulp plants such as trees and bushes, round up will not. All of them should be handled with care, to say they won't harm you, read the warning on it.
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    03 Jul 2010 07:59 AM
    ROUNDUP

    Called the wonder herbicide, RoundUp is one of the top-selling herbicides. Made by Monsanto, it is now used on plants that have been genetically engineered to tolerate RoundUp without dying.

    This means:


    Higher residues of RoundUp in our food chain

    Over 90 percent of soy and canola in our food chain are 'RoundUp Ready' genetically engineered to withstand large quantities of RoundUp

    Increased RoundUp usage by farmers

    More danger to the public


    RoundUp Herbicide has been touted by its maker, Monsanto, as safe and environmentally friendly. As such, it has become the most popular herbicide in use today. Advertising by Monsanto has led the public to believe that RoundUp is "safe as table salt," a phrase used quite often by its proponents to describe it.

    Studies used for RoundUp's initial registration were fraudulent. There is no indication that these studies have been replaced with other, more valid, studies. The public perception of RoundUp as safe, environmentally friendly, and no more harmful than table salt has impeded the normal scientific study to which a pesticide would normally be subjected. Research grants have been concentrated in the areas of pesticides perceived to be more detrimental to humans.

    New York State's Attorney General has sued Monsanto for claiming that RoundUp is "safe" and "environmentally friendly." This suit ended in a settlement with Monsanto in which Monsanto agreed to cease and desist from using these terms in advertising RoundUp in the state of New York. Monsanto, while not admitting any wrongdoing, paid the state of New York $250,000 in settlement of this suit. When Monsanto violated the first settlement agreement by advertising within New York that RoundUp is "safe," a second agreement was negotiated.

    Most of the studies identifying RoundUp's true toxicity are recent, and certain areas of RoundUp's toxicity have yet to be thoroughly studied. Case law involving RoundUp victims is almost non-existent due to this lack of scientific information with which to prove causation.

    It is for these reasons that it is important to also look to anecdotal information about RoundUp's toxicity to humans in order to develop a full picture of the symptomology it causes.
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    03 Jul 2010 08:19 AM
    One of the most useful herbicides to managers of forage plots for whitetail deer are the selective postemergence graminicides that control annual and perennial grasses. Farmers have an array of herbicides in this group, but the only herbicide generally available to managers of forage plots is sethoxydim (Arrest®, Vantage®, Poast®, Poast Plus®).

    By ‘generally available’, I mean a herbicide that is registered by the U. S. EPA for that particular use and commercially available in small quantities that most wildlife managers use. Why purchase a herbicide that is sold only in five-gallon case lots, when you need only one quart? Postemergence graminicides are a powerful tool for managers of food plots. They are simple to use and reasonably goof-proof.

    Try this.

    Thing that kills something is safe to get on you. I spray alot and always use the right gloves and goggles. Go yo your local FS and they will most likely give them to you. I know they ill if you buy what ever you spray from them.
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    03 Jul 2010 11:26 AM
    one of the herbicides that was used in viet nam to make agent orange was 2,4dt,not 2,4d. which was only one of the products used to make it.as for round-up,if it wasn;t epa approoved it could be used on food type products.there are pre and post emergances out there that will work but,are not as cost effisant as round-up or 2,4d.roud-up and 2,4d can be bought in 1qt.,1gal,2 1/2gal,5gal,35gal,and up to 200gal tanks.croosbow is another name for round-up,just made by another company when the patent rights ran out on it with monsanto.like we both have stated ;check your local farm supplier.
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    05 Jul 2010 02:37 PM
    Well I hate to tell you crossbow is nothing like roundup, its for pulp wood. Spray roundup around your trees and the tree lives, spray crossbow around it and see what happens.

    CROSSBOW
  • Excellent control of woody plants and brush
  • Excellent control of annual and perennial broadleaves
  • No effect on grasses 
  • Can be applied by all types of sprayers, from hand-held models to tractor-mounted spray rigs
  • Except for lactating dairy animals there are no grazing restrictions following the application of Crossbow herbicide
  • Rainfast within two hours

    Agent Orange

  • PURPLE.…………A formulation of 2,4,-D and 2,4,5,-T used in 1962 to 1964.

    GREEN...…………Contained 2,4,5,-T and was used 1962-1964.

    PINK..…………….Contained 2,4,5,-T and was used 1962-1964.

    ORANGE…………A formulation of 2,4,D and 2,4,5,-T used in 1965 to 1970.

    WHITE……………A formulation of Picloram and 2,4,-D.

    BLUE…………….Contained cacodylic acid.

    ORANGE 11……A formulation of2,4,-D and 2,4,5,-T used in 1968 and 1969.

    DINOXOL………A formulation of 2,4,-D and 2,4,5,-T.

    Tested in Vietnam between 1962 and 1964.

    TRINOXOL: …Contained 2,4,5,-T. Tested in Vietnam 1962 to 1964.

    BROMACIL….DIQUAT….TANDEX….MONURON….DIURON….DALAPON


    No 2-4-dt


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    05 Jul 2010 02:58 PM
    I checked theres is no such thing as 2-4-DT that I can find.

    When it comes to spraying you need to know what it kills and how to handle it.

    Roundup or anything like it should be 41 or 43 % to mix with water 2 oz.per quart will kill fine , it just takes a little longer to see it.

    Not posting the right info. can cause people problems.

    I have helped the local FS here with spraying, I don't know it all but if you ask them they will help you.

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    06 Jul 2010 06:36 AM
    what ever!i stand corrected on the 2,4,5t o'mighty one.
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    06 Jul 2010 10:58 AM
    Not posting the right info. can cause people problems.

    Not trying to be the mighty one. Just the right info. Some of these chemicals can leach out from where you spray and onto someone elses land or crops.

    There are harmful if they get on you.

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    07 Jul 2010 05:48 AM
    i guess that's why they put directions for use and handling on the containers.follow those and you'll not have problems.a person can also take chemical apllicator classes and become certified for applling chemicals.there is no short cut to safety or proper use of these chemicals.if not sure,ask someone or hire it done.your local ag. center/supplier is the best place to start.
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    07 Jul 2010 09:04 AM
    I got mine and like I said, I still don't know it all. Some of them you even need a CDL with hazmat to transport them on the road.
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    11 Aug 2010 06:20 PM
    I'm not sure this will help with grass in your clover, but according to NWTF News from the Roost in June 2008, 2,4-DB which is also known as butyric acid is the proper herbicide to control broadleaf weeds in clover. Products which contain 2,4-DB include Butyrac 200 by Agri Star and Poast by Basf.
    How do I change my username???
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    11 Aug 2010 07:25 PM
    To answer the original question, Whitetail Institute makes "Arrest" herbicide for grass in clover, and "Slay" for broadleaf weeds in clover. I know Cabelas sells it as well. Follow the label directions, use the right rate and common sense and you will not harm yourself or the environment. I cannot resist my 2 cents worth on 2,4-D. It is the most widely used broadleaf weed herbicide there is. I was in the lawn care business for many years, used it everyday and don't worry about it a bit.
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    12 Aug 2010 03:01 AM
    I guess you learned nothing then if you think 2,4,D is safe. Try reading about it a little more. Yes it was used alot untill they seen what it was doing.

    You people new to using these things need to read lots more about what it can do.

    I don't buy that story. I'm a farmer and spray lots more in a day then you did lawns for sure and I dont use 2,4,d and alot of farmers don't theres other things out there. Not as bad for yourself.

    To tell someone it wont hurt them is just plain stupid.
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    12 Aug 2010 06:54 AM
    if your saying 2,4d is so unsafe then why is it still being manufactured.it must be a money thing not a enviromental thing.like g-faber stated(COMMON SENSE).follow the directions and you won't have any problems.i don't seem to have any problems from this and have been using it for over 30yrs.just because someone wants to or needs to use this product doesn't mean for another person to condemn them on their practices.as long as they follow the recommendations of use they shouldn't have any problems and read the cauton statements that are attached.COMMON SENSE!
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    12 Aug 2010 09:41 AM
    Common senseless is more like it. I have stated the facts and what it can do, showing it not safe. They sell smokes and there unsafe, another fact. I did not condemn anyone so learn to read before you say things.

    Being stupid is anyone right and thats not common sence. We seen in your other post you don't know about 2,4,d.

    Just because they make something don't make it safe and that's commom sence.

    You better take up some other thing then farming if you think like that, now that's commom sence.
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    12 Aug 2010 11:44 AM
    Wow man, I really don't get your attitude on 2,4-D. Like I said, as with ANY herbicide, FOLLOW THE LABEL DIRECTIONS and USE THE RIGHT RATE and you won't have any problems. Look on the shelf of any store at the lawn herbicides and 2,4-D will be the main active ingredient in most of them. When I go into Farm Fleet on the end cap are 2.5 gal jugs with 2,4-D in big letters on the front so plenty of farmers use it (I have farmer friends who use it also). So if using the most common herbicide out there to kill broadleaf weeds makes me stupid after being a certified commercial pesticide applicator for most of the last 20 yrs, then I'll claim being stupid.
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