OK I don't normally have a problem with planting...but I am trying a New HSG seed from Succra Seed....High sugar ryes and an orchard grass mixed with clovers......I put it on two different areas...both having been in a liming program for a couple of years and having been past planted in clovers...turnips and buckwheat....This being a cool weather planting I raked one area in just before a rain and the other I top seeded just as it started to rain on a freshly tilled soil....The first planting was a couple of weeks ago and since we had 2 rains and a snow fall and frosts for the last few nights...the other was a week ago with just the rain that happened when seeding and the frosts....So there's the deal....NOT ONE sign of growth in either....any ideas...will it germinate when night temps get higher ? The day temps have been in low to mid 50's  and low 60's...with exception of 2 day snow....not even clovers are showing?

OK seeing how nobody has replied I will try but don't laugh . I was always told you ground temp had to be a certain temp for the seed to germinate . I live in the deep south so I really don't have a big problem with that but up north is something else . I would also say check with where you bought your seed and maybe they can help you with this also or if it came prepackaged maybe it's written on the pack

Thanks for the reply Hawk....Clovers can be frost seed without any problem...and rye grass is usually a early spring or late fall planting.....This High sugar brand doesn't specify other than the seed should be buried 1/4 to 1/2 inch....I can't find any thing on line.... I've never planted HSG seed before so I cant figure out why no growth yet Orchard grass is a spring planting as well ....what I know is regular rye it's suppose to germinate in 7-14 days...and reg rye can be over seeded and grown with minimal ground prep.....The bag gives me nothing other than seed depth and fertilizer requirements  

the soil temps play a big roll in germination as does atr temps.if you get cold nights such as the 30's it will slow the germination process down.i would give it another week.if nothing shows by then you should replant.it's possible you got bad batch of seed.also.if you put a herbicide down and planted to early this could of killed the seed.but.you stated that you done plots before with good success.most rye type grasses take 7-14 days but,some of the new hybred types could take 21-28 days and clovers can take up to 21 days.just give them another few days and go from there.

Thanks...first time with the hybrids...and today we are getting a nice gentle all day soaker.... Lht rain is due for next 3 days...mid fifty day and mid 30's night for the next week and then temps go to mid to high 60's and mid 40's to low 50's at night...now I hope the seed doesn't rot...my bad crazy spring got me jumping the gun...I know rye normally doesn't like warm temps that much...every thing here blossomed out a month early...with a month of warm temps...then reality struck...I should have known...we've had killing frosts as late as June 6th here on our hill

It sounds to me that the suggested dirt coverage was too deep. I don't know anything about the HSG seed, or planting up north, but normally down South, we cover the seed as deep as the size of the seed. Hell, I've even plantes rye, oats and wheat, by just broadcasting the seed and not even bothering to cover it at all. A good soaking rain will accomplish enough coverage and increase the germination when planted in this manner.

Rthomas ...I agree...that's why I raked one area in and the other I seeded over a fresh tilled and smoothed area as it started to rain...The bag does call for a 1/4 to 1/2 " for this type of seed though.... which really seems deep...but who knows.... They did stress moisture for this seed..so perhaps it was just waiting for this 3 day soaker...I actually went out this afternoon in the rain and see I have clover and a few blades popping up....there's hope after all...I'll post pics in coming weeks...By the way the seed is called    Succra Seed Beef Bank...they have great gains and Sweetspot as well in the same line up.

What farmer red said is about right, a frost can kill of any germination of the seed for other then grasses and hybred seed is tempramental also.

I wait until the last frost or late april early may to plant most things except grass.

Well guys I wanted to give you an up date...I went out turkey hunting this a.m. and on the way back I went through the Succra seed lanes....They are up about 2 in and filling in really well....Now I planted it on April 11th ...so that stint of cold weather delayed(assuming) the germination but didn't rot the seed....I checked on the plot that I just over seeded a week after the lane ways and it is just now showing some sign....think I may have lost some of that seed due to not scratching it in ...and letting the rain fall work it in...also the deer have really trampled the area...Good note to that...at least one bruiser is still around and his tracks are long wide and splade...he also has so good weight to him for his tracks are twice as deep as any of the others

The deer are diggin the soybeans up just as they are sprouting. I'm hopeing that they don't get the majority before the plants can come up.

have you tried Milorginite.....it has helped us....www.milorganite.com/about/research.cfm

glad to hear that your plots are coming along.now just get some warmer days and a occassional rain and you will be in there.in a couple of weeks add some fert to them.this will give it a better boost for the up coming summer.don't worry about the beans.after they get about 6-8 tall the deer will start to leave them alone for awhile.also,the other farmers crops will be up and they will start to hit them.

We finally got the rain they've been calling for since last Thursday....only 20 min worth but a 10min down pour I'm picking up my soybeans today with my first delivery of chicks...but Won't be planting for a couple of weeks at least....night temps due to drop in thirties again.....Farmer red...I know that SB are a tad sensitive...why I bought the non rr ready viney ones  $$$...because I will be discing...dragging smooth then lightly discing again in order to make some furrows and broad cast spreading them...then I will drag across furrows to bury the seed....I did this with some feed corn last year and it grew very well...I have already sprayed down the area twice with weed killer....This field had reg. beans in it years ago..it was the last crop the farmer put in before he could no longer farm....How do you think they will fair? 

sounds like you have it pretty much under control.you have plenty of time to plant them.don't blame you for the non-rr beans.they are alot cheaper.the only problem with that style bean is weed control products if they start to show up.since you have treated the area twice,you shouldn;t have much of a problem.the way you will be planting them.it will work.they only have to be in the ground 1/2-3/4 in deep.fert them when about 6-8in tall and watch them grow.by the looks of the pic it worked really well and the deer cleaned up alot of the left overs.that point in the field looks like a good spot to cover for most of the field.your buddies should envy your efforts and will be asking for your advice before to long.

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Ya that feed corn planting was a last min experiment...think I planted it in mid July just as a road plot screen...it actually got ears....but that being a fallow field for years ...holy cow...the timothy seed in the ground exploded!...that's what I've been spraying...guys around here not too keen on advise from a woman and they're a tad ticked I'm planting so much....here's a few pics of what I plant and the Succra seed...and thanks for the reply...I've had a few ppl on line say I won't get much to come up....but that feed corn...well that was $1.80 worth of corn...and they told me it wouldn't grow

if it working ,then who cares but you.it looking good.

Looking goooood!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the encouragement guys...here is an up date on the Succra Seed trails.......I'll
 get pics of soybeans in a few days ...the big field isn't in yet...having a problem with weeds and rocks...time and our much needed rain....no worries here I can always put in a late corn and what ever crop......did get first of chicks down in the coop...they're happy

trail looks mighty good!i would say you done a fine ,a very fine job.may be asking you for advice.try some 2,4d on some small areas first to see how the succra will react to it,the do a larger area.as for the rocks.try trans planting them in another area.the seem to grow just about anywhere you dont want them.some do get to trophy size.