healey
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| 31 Jan 2013 08:28 AM |
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Great gun great caliber and the Tika T3 is offered in left handed models |
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yote
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| 31 Jan 2013 08:38 AM |
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healey's exactly right. I had a bb gun at 5, 22at 8 20 gauge by 10 ,12 gauge and 270 by 12(first couple were gifts from my parents,every gun I'VE OWNED from 10 up I payed for myself).I'VE ALWAYS HAD A MAture respect for guns, due mostly to the fact if my dad saw me doing some thing foolish with one he tanned my hide and you better believe I took those lessons to heart.never took a hunter ed course untill I was 14 and we moved to the craphole state of californy. (I think of that time as the lost years)I believe hunter ed is a good IDEA BUT back in those days parents still felt it was thier responsibility to teach thier own children responsibility for thier actions |
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rthomas4
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| 31 Jan 2013 08:41 AM |
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I'm 59, and started shooting with a .22 at around 5 and a .12 gauge shotgun around 7. I began deer and dove hunting at 8, and killed my first deer at 10. I was taught not to even point a cap gun at another person, which is the same way I began teaching Travis. I bought him his first BB gun when he was 3, then a Cricket .22 at 5. He started sitting on a deer stand by himself at 8 with a Mossberg youth model 500 bantam, and at 10 he killed his first deer from a ground blind with his Mossberg ATR 100 in .243. He now carries a Beretta .12 gauge semi-auto which he used to kill a deer right after Christmas, and a Savage 110 in 7mm-08 that he killed a deer with at ternera1's place on the 19th of January. He was 16 on January 10th, and averages at least 1 or 2 deer per year........and could do more if he'd still hunt more often. He rather go down in the swamp and sit with the shotgun on a stand while the dogs are running than sit in a tree stand with his rifle.
My point is that each individual child is different. Their desire to hunt, their willingness to learn the basics of gun safety, and their ability to LISTEN and learn, are all the results of parental/guardian guidance. I have never believed in forcing a child to handle a gun, much less go hunting; but, if the child wants to learn I certainly would encourage them at ANY age they exhibit the desire. Like healey I have no notions that age is a requirement for someone to be a safe hunter; and I too, know some people who are twice(or more) Travis' age that I will not go in the woods with. Thankfully, here in SC, we don't have the type of restrictions that many other states have............maybe that's why we don't have the gun related "accidents" that seem to occur in other places!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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healey
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| 31 Jan 2013 08:57 AM |
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Well said and Parental/Guardian guidance is what is missing in this country and is what Obama and the rest of the DC morons should be preaching not more gun laws. when was the last time you heard of a mass shooter as beaning a life long hunter and shooter oh sorry got off subject |
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yote
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| 31 Jan 2013 09:00 AM |
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RT ,I agree 100% . the main reason I am for hunter ed is the fact that thier are so many irresponsible adaults out there with guns who were never taught proper care and respect when they were young and have no idea how to teach there children. I COMMEND YOU FOR BEING THE MENTOR YOU ARE, but times have changed and there are fewer and fewer parents teaching thier children with each passing generation(I think that explains a lot of the"ACCIDENTS"  we are seeing nowadays) |
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healey
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| 31 Jan 2013 09:02 AM |
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its all about the training and maturity of the child if a morons doing the teaching the student also becomes a moron |
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yote
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| 31 Jan 2013 09:10 AM |
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yep |
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rthomas4
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| 31 Jan 2013 09:11 AM |
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yote, thanks, but that is also the reason I DO NOT believe in hunter ed. I think it's the responsibility of the parents/guardians to learn themselves at the side of a mentor and be qualified to mentor the kids. I recently took the SC hunter ed course, in case I won a hunt to Colorado that I was entered in (here it's not required for anyone born prior to June 10, 1979). The course was more about the differences in gun styles, ie, pump, semi-auto, single shot, blackpowder, etc, than it was about actual safety. The largest section in the course was about gauge and caliber. Then there was the section about archery hunting that again didn't have any thing concerning safety in it. After completing the course I felt it was more a gun/archery primer than an actual hunting education curriculum. I guess if there isn't a responsible adult available to mentor the kid, then hunter ed is the next best thing; but I remember when there were things like the scouts and 4-H that filled that void. I will add that Travis is also on the Rifle Team of his NJROTC unit, so evidently I managed to teach him pretty well. |
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healey
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| 31 Jan 2013 09:26 AM |
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Here in Missouri it is mandatory for anyone born after January1967 but are course has a lot of hunter safety in it it a great class but I think it begins at home the parent is responsible for teaching their children firearms safety if you have guns in the home. I know a single mother who lost a son because of these very reasons she was gone and her two boys were home and she had a home protection shotgun under the couch and the boys found it and were each pulling on it one at the stock and one at the barrel and the gun went off and the boy on the barrel was killed you have to teach your kids the right and wrongs of guns early and often if you have them in the house loaded and unlocked |
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| 31 Jan 2013 09:30 AM |
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I know, and agree ,parental(mentor guidance ) is everything. BUT I see no way to keep irresponsible people out of the field without giving up our rights. I would rather they at least had that short coarse(however inadequate I think it may be)then no teaching at all. the coarse was fairly painless and in my oppinion a fair compromise.when I had to take it,we did go out and fire 22's at the range, so there was a minimal ammount of gun safety taught. |
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healey
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| 31 Jan 2013 09:39 AM |
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I think we need both parents and formal training through the state |
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Big Dawg
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| 31 Jan 2013 01:16 PM |
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The 7MM-08 is one that can still be used when the child is older and is a great caliber for both low recoil and it's ability to take deer and black bear. |
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bigrig
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| 02 Feb 2013 11:09 AM |
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All good points. Back to the original question. The 243 is an excellant cartridge for deer. And, antelope. A friend of mine has a 257. It's another low recoil cartridge. I personally like this one over the 243. It's a flat shooter. My friend had his opened up to an AI, Ackley Improved. |
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ahoffman2
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| 03 Feb 2013 02:29 AM |
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The age that a youngster, starts huntin', depends upon the matureity and attitude of the child. All 3 of my daughters started shootin' my .22s' as soon as they were big enuff to hold'um , aim'um and shootum. By the time they were 7--8 years old, they were shootin' my .357, with reduced loads. When my oldest was 10, I took a 1899 Savage, .300, and cut it down to fit her. Installed a SkeetIII
recoil pad, and she started huntin' that year. Unfortinantly, she didn't get a deer untill she was 11 tho, but, she did get 6 that year.
By the time my girls reach the age of 9, they were all packin' a .357, when ever we were in the brush, which was probably 3--4 times a week. Of course, that was many years ago, but still today, in this country, it is not unusual to find 8--9 year old boys, with thier own weapons, out in the bush, huntin' with thier Dads or older brothers.
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JoeTermite
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| 03 Feb 2013 08:08 AM |
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I have three grandsons Their age is 12,10 and 7. All three of them have been out back with me at my range. There they were shown what happens when you pull the trigger. They have all shot my .22 s.
All children are curious I remember showing my friends my father's loaded pistol that he kept in a Blue Crown Royal bag in his night stand. Because I knew it was loaded and what happens when you pull the trigger. We did not shot each other. This was 44 years ago. As my grandsons got older my daughter asked me to show the boys. At least now if they go over to a friends house and there are guns present they hopefully will remember what not to do.
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Big Dawg
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I bought my youngest son a Chipmunk .22LR when he was 8yo and he had been going with me hunting starting at 5yo. At 8yo is when I decided he had earned his own rifle and took him to hunting camp and put him in a treestand and left him with instructions to shot only does. I went about 100 yards from him and sat where I could see him but he could not see me. He sat patiently in that stand for a little over 3 hours and that's when I knew he was gonna be a serius hunter. My 2 daughters could outshoot their boyfriends whiel growing and dating. I love my 6.5X55MM Swedish Mauser for it extreme accuracy and very low recoil. The .243, .257. 260, 7MM-08 and even the 6.5X55 would be great choices for your child. The biggest thing is to try and get your hands on as many of these listed as possible and let her shoot them. The let her make her choice as to the one she likes and shoots best. |
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zgrimshaw
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| 07 Feb 2013 04:29 AM |
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my grandfather taught me how to shoot wen i was 8 and i dont think thats to young as long as you have a good teacher to instill good moral fiber |
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Big Dawg
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| 08 Feb 2013 09:39 AM |
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So what did you end up buying ????? |
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Tmackjr26
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| 09 Feb 2013 07:44 AM |
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im still looking but i think i might be leaning towards a .243. Im taking my son out this weekend to have him decide what he likes. Thanks everyone for your help and opinions. |
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rthomas4
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| 09 Feb 2013 07:55 AM |
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This is just an opinion, but for what it's worth. I started my boy with the Mossberg ATR in .243, but I also made sure that his shots were limited to less than 100 yards. When he killed his first old doe with it, he had a perfect dead center shoulder shot @ 75 yards, and she went down like a ton of bricks. Then she started pushing with her hind legs trying to get away. I had to run up and finish her with a .40 handgun shot in the ear. I know that there are a lot of people who shoot the .243 caliber rifles for deer, and antelope, but I feel that it's a minimal cartridge. I will add that I know of folks who use .223 and .22-250 to shoot deer, but I believe those folks are superb marksmen and I wouldn't attempt to use anything less than 7mm-08. But, as stated that's just my opinion. |
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