Deiceman
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Crosby87
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| 22 Jan 2013 02:01 PM |
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I can just hear it now:
OK!! THAT'S IT!! No guns for anybody! Police, Military, Law abiding citizens, criminals, everybody; Turn all the guns in. No one can be trusted!
In all seriousness. My heart breaks when I hear stories like this. As I'm sure the rest of you do. But the fact remains that the issue here is not so much the access to firearms as it is identification and treatment of mental health issues. Until people quit being so damned PC, and will speak up when they think someone has a problem, these types of senseless killings will go on. With or without guns.
My heart goes out to this family and anyone else who is dealing with similar circumstances. |
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ckell
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| 22 Jan 2013 02:16 PM |
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Crosby87, the thing of it is most Police must under go Phychological evaluations as part of their job. I do agree with dropping the PC crap and calling this type of thing what it is. An evil act committed by a Phyco who snapped for what ever reason. There may be evidence in some situations someone might be capibile of such acts, but in many there many be no such indicators. Yes drop the PC crap, there have always been nut jobs and there always will be, and there is little that can actually done about that, short of suspecting everyone. |
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Crosby87
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| 22 Jan 2013 02:30 PM |
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I grew up in a police family and went to the academy myself (although I never sought a commission). Around here, you have a psyc eval upon commissioning but never again unless you have a "traumatic" event or are ordered to by a superior officer. (Some would argue that every day as a cop is a traumatic event.) To your point though, I do believe in the idea of "temporary insanity." Maybe this guy was perfectly normal yesterday but today woke up to find out his wife was... well I don't want to speculate, but you know where I am going with this. Rage is a powerful emotion. As I said, gun or no gun, people in those situations do things that their best friends or own mothers wouldn't believe. The point remains the same: Guns or access to them is not the overwhelming issue. |
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ckell
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| 22 Jan 2013 02:34 PM |
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Posted By Crosby87 on 22 Jan 2013 03:30 PM
I grew up in a police family and went to the academy myself (although I never sought a commission). Around here, you have a psyc eval upon commissioning but never again unless you have a "traumatic" event or are ordered to by a superior officer. (Some would argue that every day as a cop is a traumatic event.) To your point though, I do believe in the idea of "temporary insanity." Maybe this guy was perfectly normal yesterday but today woke up to find out his wife was... well I don't want to speculate, but you know where I am going with this. Rage is a powerful emotion. As I said, gun or no gun, people in those situations do things that their best friends or own mothers wouldn't believe. The point remains the same: Guns or access to them is not the overwhelming issue. I Totaly Agree. |
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rthomas4
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| 23 Jan 2013 12:53 PM |
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Research suicide rates by profession, and cops rank very highly on the list. This type of murder- suicide isn't that uncommon. Unfortunate as it may be, and as saddening as it is; this is one of those terrible statistical facts that occur more often than most of us realize. |
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ckell
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| 23 Jan 2013 01:25 PM |
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That is one thing that worries me about the mental status used in in background checks. Criteria used or implmented could show many of our LE and even Militery, Vets should not own a firearm. Why ban guns if you can ban ownership based on some sort of mental status for many in America. Have you ever been depressed for any reason. Depression, think about it. The pro-gun people opened that door, now it will take a lot of tought out reasoning to combat the issues raised by that. Because the gun grabbers have taken it and are running as fast as they can with it. |
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Big Dawg
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| 23 Jan 2013 01:30 PM |
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I had to have another eval about 8 years ago and it ws done my a civilian MD and Phychiatrist and the shrink told me that I was one of the most sound of mind people she had ever tested and evaluated and my MD agreed. So I even have it n writing that I am not crazy nor do I have any mental defect issues. Again we shall see just how they go about identifying those who they deem a threat. PREPARE YOURSELVES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PS: My Army eval was done by a panel of 5 MD's and when it was over I asked " So am I crazy and they replied if you are then we would be considered crazy as well !!! " or in other words I was just as sane as any of them. |
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Crosby87
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| 23 Jan 2013 04:49 PM |
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RT- For the first time that i can recall, in your almost 11000 posts, I am going to disagree with you. (I may not post much, but I've been reading the boards for years.) I have no facts or proof, but I find it very hard to believe that a police officer killing his own children isn't an incredibly rare event. If you do have statistics, facts or proof to the contrary, please keep them to yourself. I would prefer to go on with my life naive to the fact that a group of people whom I generally hold I high esteem are prone to such acts.
Anyway, more to the point. I believe the government is attempting to disarm America through systematic denial of firearm privileges. They aren't saying that guns are illegal. They are just trying to make it so that 99% of Americans are ineligable to own one. And ckell, you are absolutly right. Combat veterans especially and some former law enforcement officers will be the first to be struck down. Why? Because they know how to use them and they are the biggest threat. (To the government. But they aren't saying that part.) |
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holly
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| 23 Jan 2013 06:04 PM |
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(To the government. But they aren't saying that part.)
And they never will either .The truth is beyond them . |
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rthomas4
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| 24 Jan 2013 10:39 AM |
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Sorry Crosby87, that was something I learned in a psychology course in college, and the last time I checked, the statistics still show it to be true...........not so much if you factor in killing their children, but definitely in the suicide rate and murder/suicide involving spouses. Apparently, there is a correlation between depression and it's resultant fugue state that is very predominant in law enforcement careers, as evidenced by the also very high rate of alcoholism in the same profession. In fact one of the cause and effects of the suicide rate has been directly tied to the alcoholism rate among law enforcement. |
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Crosby87
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| 24 Jan 2013 11:07 AM |
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All that seems logical. And I, in fact, have read the same thing about high instances of police alcoholism and suicide. I just put filicide on a whole other level. |
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rthomas4
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| 24 Jan 2013 11:10 AM |
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Yep, that part is hard to fathom; but we can never know how the manic thought process can affect an individuals choices. What makes a lot of people do the things they do??? |
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