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Last Post 22 Jan 2013 03:50 PM by swnoel. 9 Replies.
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22 Jan 2013 10:30 AM

Public safety or Liberty.

Be it a small number or a large number, for what ever reason(s), fear for their safety, the safety of our children or other nefarious reasons, there are those who some say they want all of our arms.

 

 There are those for whatever reason(s) do not believe they really do, want all our arms or could ever take them. Those People call those who do believe they do, and if we say nothing or do nothing, they will take them.  They call them Alarmist, Conspiracy theorist, fools any number of names.

 

Some where in there is the truth, they only want a little of our liberty, not much, Just enough to keep us safe. Or they want total subjugation.

 

 Only a fool would believe our government would have anything but our best interest in mind, by limiting the types of guns, ammo we are allowed to keep. We really no longer need guns to hunt, few actually hunt to feed their families any more. There are not roaming bands of criminals or such things that you would need a semi-auto with large capacity magazines, to fend off. And the biggest most crazy reason, and person(s) we need to fear the most, is the person who believes we have the right to keep such arms and armaments, is to protect our selves from our Government. A Government, which only has our best interest at heart.

 

 The Era of Hitler, Stalin, and Moe such people as that is over, such people as that could never rise to power in such a way in today’s World.

 

We must insure that those who own acceptable type guns are mentally stable enough to do so. What are those conspiracy theories capable of doing, should those who have been accused/involved in any type of family violence or accused of any type violence, or shown to have any type of aggressive behavior, be allowed to own guns? Should any one who may have suffered depression for any number of reasons be allowed to own arms?

 

 We must have strict, in-depth background checks that insure these questionable people.  People who represent a threat to our society and the safety of our society and our children, are not allowed to posses such instruments of destruction.

 

We must insure those who have meet the requirements to own a firearm, do so in a responsible manor, secure from misuse and theft. Where ammunition and firearms are safely secured separate from one another making it harder for someone who might misuse them to put the two together. And the loss of that privilege for those who do not take such safety measures. And punishment for those who, by their neglect allow those arms to fall into the wrong hands.

When you put it in such reasonable terms as this, who but the most extreme far right could argue, against such common sense measures, for our safety and the well-being of our children and our society? These are different times, from when our founders pinned the 2nd Amendment. Governments were unstable, there were not the police as we know them today, protecting those first settlers against those who would do them harm. Is it to much to ask we sacrifice just a small amount of our so called Liberty, for the safety and well-being. Our founders did not intent for our liberties to allow our children to die, gunned down on our streets and in our schools, in such horrible and tragic events as Sandy Hook.

The 1st Amendment insures our Right to speak out when it or our other Rights are Transgressed. The 2nd insures the 1st. Native Texan
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22 Jan 2013 10:39 AM
You were posting this as satire, I trust. None of the current proposals have anything whatsoever to do with common sense of even safety. It's simply about control. The liberal government is afraid that we will say enough is enough and rise up in revolt. The current liberal attitude and agenda is one of elimination of the possibility, in hopes of preventing the inevitable. Giving up any small liberty will be the launchpad for the avalanche that will sweep all of our liberties away. I hate to see little kids sacrificed for any reason, but I also despise those who would use dead kids as a springboard to eviscerating our rights under the Constitution.
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22 Jan 2013 10:42 AM
Most people do not realize that guns are being used in this case but as noted this is NOT so much about gun control but complete control of WE THE PEOPLE and is seems to be working rather well.
LM NAHC, LM NSSF, LRRP Competitor Shooter/Spotter. Never Quit ! All the Way ! No Man Shall Be Left Behind !
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22 Jan 2013 11:10 AM
There is many of the so-called Conspiracy theorist who are in agreement with the stricter stronger background checks. But what will the requirements to meet those new checks be how far will each side go. Who will make the rules, on who can and cannot buy or own a gun Based on mental status? Who can and how will those rules be changed once implemented? All of this is done in the name of public safety. The arguement above may not be the words of those who want Gun Control, and those who want total control would never say total control is their goal. But they use the gest of that to get what they want. If you do not agree with them you must be some kind of out of control conspiracy theory nut, who should not own a gun.
The 1st Amendment insures our Right to speak out when it or our other Rights are Transgressed. The 2nd insures the 1st. Native Texan
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22 Jan 2013 11:20 AM
ckell I have been being referred to as a paranoid, chicken little, and a host of other words they use to describe those of US who have not and will not drink the Kool Aid. The sentence above about the " roving bands " is already a fact or at least it si here in Atlanta where there are areas that even the police don't go after dark for fear of being shot or at the least being shot. There are so many gangs and they have their own parts of Atlanta that they inessence run they way they want. It is broken into different sections and each one has a gang that runs that section and sell drugs, guns, women, and a host of other illegal items for people to use or own. The Mexican gang MS13 have now been indentified as a major player and they have now moved outside the big city into the samller city's to include the city of Woodstock here and when they see an area they like they move members into it and start with all their criminal activites.
LM NAHC, LM NSSF, LRRP Competitor Shooter/Spotter. Never Quit ! All the Way ! No Man Shall Be Left Behind !
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22 Jan 2013 12:30 PM
I'll ensure my own safety through the liberty granted me by our Constitution and its amendments, thank you. Sorry, but for me at least, it IS that simple when it comes to this topic. I have no desire to be a criminal, but I will certainly become one before I will become a subject. I rarely see things at this level of it's either black or it's white, there are no grays, but the second amendment is just that to me. There is no doubt for me on why WE have it, it's to protect ourselves from tyranny, plain and simple.
Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man. Thomas Pain
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22 Jan 2013 12:39 PM
Dawg, I do not live so far away from the Bigger cities that I do not believe such a thing is true. You and I have a differance of opinion on one preticular subject. Your feelings are very strong on that subject, just as strong as those who want gun control. And anyone oposeing their view in any way are seen in the same light as you see me on that subject we disagree on. On that subject you see me as unreasonable, foolish, ignorant, sarcastic.
The one thing the Conservitives do not have is a United Front as the Liberals have. I am sure they do not all agree on every issue, even gun control, but they don't make their disagreement as public as the Conservitives do on every issue. They are United in their goal to push their sides/parties agenda weather they completly agree or not.
Hay JL good to see ya. They want to show where those who feel as you and the many of us who feel the way you have just expressed, are wrong, there is no threat to us by some imagined tyrantical Government. They are not saying what I wrote above in those words, but that is the gest of what they are saying.
The 1st Amendment insures our Right to speak out when it or our other Rights are Transgressed. The 2nd insures the 1st. Native Texan
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22 Jan 2013 02:44 PM
Hey ckell, thanks. I know, I just felt a need to speak up on this one.
Belief in a cruel God makes a cruel man. Thomas Pain
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22 Jan 2013 03:04 PM

THE ERA OF HITLER, STALIN AND MOE ARE OVER??? Bet me! You allow any self important, narsistic azz to gain power, such as the sheeple did with the Holy "O", and you have the very distinct possability of another Hitler!!
Our Second ammendment does not mention hunting, or protection of home, it was added, so that we the people have the power to controll a power hungry, wanna be dictator!
As for gun controll for the safty of the people, The United states, according to the International Crime reports, is 64th in murders
per 100,000 population with a rate of 4.2! The 63 countrys ahead of us, with more murders, some with  over 20 times as many murders, all have complete gun controll!
Ya never hear of the librels mentioning that fact!

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22 Jan 2013 03:50 PM
"Shall not be infringed"...  can only be interpreted one way!


My choice is... LIBERTY!
"The BIG Lie" The phrase was also used in a report prepared during the war by the United States Office of Strategic Services in describing Hitler's psychological profile:[5][6] His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.[7]
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