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Spanking Makes Aggressive, Depressed Kids?


http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/sp...00663.html

Just another one of those liberals way of thinking .Boy it sure did not hurt me or my brothers .There is a difference between beating and a god swat on the but .

not spanking makes spoiled rotten little frackers who are more likely to comit mass murders

Spanking is like anything else, the wrong amount at the wrong time can cause wrose problems, than what it is meant to corect. But even at that why are so many of the children who continualy play video games, no chorses, do not understand work, or punishment doing such things as we see, at sandy hook, CO.
Guns have been around for a very long time, how many remember when almost every pickup in the school parking lot had a gun rack with a least one gun in it. We didn't have the shootings we have now. Sure the fact that everyone had a gun near may have had a little to do with it, but there is something more, than the presents of guns, that stopped this sort of thing. Guns where not a/the problem nor realy somthing that kept such things from happening back then. Kids and guns have always been around. Guns still do the same thing they always have, fire a bullet, but only when somone pulls the trigger. What has changed in those who pull, that trigger.

Holly: we were 7 in my fam. 4 boys/3girls. We all grew up with our azzes burning when in trouble, but none of us made it close to the doors of a police department and we all had jobs and our own families. Can you imagine all those spoiled brats 20yrs from now? The scary part is they will be running the country(if there is any left to run).

Posted By ternera1 on 13 Jan 2013 02:13 PM
Holly: we were 7 in my fam. 4 boys/3girls. We all grew up with our azzes burning when in trouble, but none of us made it close to the doors of a police department and we all had jobs and our own families. Can you imagine all those spoiled brats 20yrs from now? The scary part is they will be running the country(if there is any left to run).

Terneral most of us feared what our dad would do to us more than the police, back then.

Yes, they have changed, indeed. For the worse as can be seen on all those recent developments. Like you said: "Guns still do the same thing they always have, fire a bullet, but only when somone pulls the trigger."
Could it be that the modern guns are so sofisticated that have a mind of their own? Some kind of radiation that is oozing out of the stock and causing people to go around killing inocent folks. Next we'll find some idiot shooting up a nursing home.

what has changed in a nutshell is personal responsibility for ones actions and respect for  life.and untill people accept it is the moral decadence in our society and not the guns that are the problem things will continue to get worse with every generation.we have TURNED our backs on GOD  and let money become our god. when people ask how GOD can let children die remember , we turned away from HIM not the other way around.HE  is just leting us reap what we have sowed.actions or inactions have consequences!



   spare the rod spoil the child! only one child has ever been born who didn't need a good spanking now and then.

This article is full of sh.t. Not for sure what everyones age is. Remember when corporal punishment was allowed in school? Sure I got a few swats in school and more from my dad when I got home for what I did at school. Just look at the generation of kids that came out of school when corporal punishment was allowed. Again, without corporal punishment, the children have no accountability. Instead they get a day out of school, or detention for what they did. In my opinion, there are too many variables that are not covered in the article/trial.

Spanking, we ought to string the young kids up ,those that perpetrate these horrible crimes. Public executions of these animals. It's not cool.

I am not a bible thumper, and I mean neither insult nor disrespect by saying that. There is something missing in our society, Christians will say GOD. If you need the fear of an after life in he77 to keep you from doing wrong ok, but some do not, and do not want to hear it. But many will say/agree a lack of respect, for others and life and morals if you will are a cause. How do we have a discussion about that without the pushing of, and the subsequent rejection of religious preaching? How do both sides control their emotions that cause the name calling insults that result in no meaningful outcome?
RT and I are both agnostic, and there are those who are very religious, God fearing people in here. Are there any of you who believe RT and I are evil, monsters, with no morals or the understanding of moral values and are heck bent on destroying your souls.
Do I have to sing the praise’s of God? Or can I just say the 10 commandments are very good moral guild lines, and we all would be much better off if we tried harder to follow them, and leave it at that. Or must we argue they are Gods laws and not mere guild lines, there by skipping the whole point and never getting anywhere, near finding the problem or solution.

no I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU TO BE EVIL. ALL MEN SIN EVEN(maybe even especially )"christians" and I believe you to be a man with morals.I don't hate the  man I hate the sin. for the sake of this discusion I am not trying to "convert" you but I DON'T BELIEVE YOU CAN REALLY  get to the root of the problem without  bringing GOD  into it.I AGREE  THE TEN COMMANDMENTS are the best guidlines we have for believers and none believers  to live by but I also  realize all of us will be unable to keep them

Yote you being up a good point, do morals stim from religion (God) or did they come about on their own. And/or religion is a way of enforceing those morals. Does it matter where they come from, or how they came about. But is there a lack of them now? Do we have to have a belief in an afterlife in which we will be punished, for our sins, to have or reach morals.?

Edit: can we teach morals without the belief in an after life, and the fear of damnation?

as would be obvious I  believe in an afterlife, a SAVIOR and GOD. that said,I do not think a man has no morals  just because he does not believe but there is definitly a lack of morals in todays society! morals are not  being taught in many(NOT ALL) homes, churches or schools.our government is run by crooks, liars and thieves.It is no longer PC to teach children the ten commandments and now we are not even allowed to dicipline a child to try and teach him right from wrong.there was a time when a childs hero was  his parents or maybe superman, nowadays thier hero is more likely to be obama or charlie sheenor tupaq!is it any  wonder the number of children making bad choices is increasing?

Posted By yote on 13 Jan 2013 04:25 PM
as would be obvious I  believe in an afterlife, a SAVIOR and GOD. that said,I do not think a man has no morals  just because he does not believe but there is definitly a lack of morals in todays society! morals are not  being taught in many(NOT ALL) homes, churches or schools.our government is run by crooks, liars and thieves.It is no longer PC to teach children the ten commandments and now we are not even allowed to dicipline a child to try and teach him right from wrong.there was a time when a childs hero was  his parents or maybe superman, nowadays thier hero is more likely to be obama or charlie sheenor tupaq!is it any  wonder the number of children making bad choices is increasing?

Good points.
I believe the 10 commandments should be tought. And they can be taught without the religous connotations, many do not want. We believe it is wrong to take a life, except in the case of protecting one. All others fall in line behide that. 
 
False God, money/greed has caused the death of many a person.
 
Stealing is wrong because, it could cause Killing, amoung other things, distrust, hate.

Lieing/false wittness the same as stealing.

Adultery the same as stealing and lieing.

There are good reasons to teach the 10 commandment, without the teaching of pure religion,. Not following them can cause feelings that can lead to killing.  Abortion is a differant arguement, but respect and honor for life, those walking around now, and the lack of morals can cause the loss of life. 

Hell, I know every damn time I had my azz blistered I was depressed and angry; but I never went out and committed any criminal actions as a result!!!!!! I've often thought the old expression of just cutting a kid's azz every day for the hell of it, might actually have some merit. That way there is punishment meted out for every bad action that was gotten away with, or even considered!!!!!!!!!!

Like has been said in this thread is that the kids are not tought the morals and respect that we were tought .To many parents do not want to take care of their kids .They just give them some money and send them down the road .They are not tought right from wrong .When they get in trouble the parents will bail them out .I know when we were kids if we did something stupid we payed for it ,not my parents .If you broke something that belonged to others you found a way to pay for it ,even if it meant working for that person until its paid for .Those type of things are not tought today .The kids get a free ride .

Seems like we all were raised that when we deserved it, we got our butts whooped and it doesn't seem to have affected any of us in a negative way. It also seems that it was never a problem until they started doing "feel good" studies on the issue.

My mom wasn't a strong proponent of corporal punishment, in fact as a kid I could barely remember the last butt whoopin I got. That said, I did remember it, so I knew the threat was there. Mom always found ways to punish us that were very effective without getting physical. As I got older she made it clear that if I ever ended up in jail that's where I was going too stay because there was no way she was going to bail me out, mom was a woman of her word, and I knew she meant it.

Not to paint my mom as a bleeding heart that didn't believe in corporal punishment, because nothing would be farther from the truth. She was a very intelligent woman, and understood the effects of psychology. Many times all it took was the snap of her head, and the look on her face and you knew you had just hit the line, she was able to convey that crossing that line would not produce good results. She was also very good at understanding what privilege to take away and/or what tasks/jobs to impose that would produce results.`

I was raised by a single mom, but also had the village thing going on. My Maternal Grandparents lived only a block away, and my aunts and uncles were good hard working people. Mom doled out the punishments, but the rest of the adults in my life wouldn't hesitate to add to the psychological aspect of the punishment. Nothing mean, more in the logical sense. One of the biggest questions I hated to hear was, "why would you do something like that? I hated it because I learned early on that if I tried to defend myself I was going to get logically shredded. IMHO, at least for me, it was a pretty good follow up to my mom's punishment.

We also had corporal punishment in the schools when I was a kid. In the early 70's when the push was on for the U.S. to adapt the metric system our math teacher had meter sticks in the classroom. The meter sticks were longer and thicker than the average yard stick. It only took one whack in front of the class for me and a friend to figure out that goofing off in class was a bad idea. Me and another kid were also made to run up and down the gym steps 20 times one day after we had gotten into a fight during recess.

I believe in corporal punishment, but don't necessarily believe that it's a go to punishment. I believe that kids need to be aware that the possibility exists, and believe that it should be used when necessary or it's nothing more than an empty threat. But as it has been pointed out, it's not always the best action.