rthomas4
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| 07 Jan 2013 12:13 PM |
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YH, my solution to inner city crime would be to fence them in with electrified concertina wire and guarded by machine gun posts around the perimeter, remove all police and fire from inside the area, cut off the water and power supplies and let the strongest survive. Then when the total population has been reduced to a manageable number, dispatch Apache Helicopters armed with heat seeking missiles and wipe out all remaining life forms. That makes more sense than trying to take away gun rights and penalize the segment of society that doesn't contribute to criminal activities and eliminates a drain on the nation's resources. The other option would be to ship 'em all to the Middle East and see if they can kill off our other largest enemy population!!!!!!!!! |
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ckell
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| 07 Jan 2013 01:59 PM |
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Posted By rthomas4 on 07 Jan 2013 01:13 PM
YH, my solution to inner city crime would be to fence them in with electrified concertina wire and guarded by machine gun posts around the perimeter, remove all police and fire from inside the area, cut off the water and power supplies and let the strongest survive. Then when the total population has been reduced to a manageable number, dispatch Apache Helicopters armed with heat seeking missiles and wipe out all remaining life forms. That makes more sense than trying to take away gun rights and penalize the segment of society that doesn't contribute to criminal activities and eliminates a drain on the nation's resources. The other option would be to ship 'em all to the Middle East and see if they can kill off our other largest enemy population!!!!!!!!! Do we give the inocent and the few good ones  a chance to get out before we do that RT, or just killem all and let God  sort them out.   |
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Lunkerdog
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ckell
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| 07 Jan 2013 02:16 PM |
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It sounds like a plan, but I am a little concerned about insocent, details, details. |
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ahoffman2
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| 07 Jan 2013 03:44 PM |
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While we're about it RT, lets throw a bunch of them librel left wing poloticians inside that fence with the perps.
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rthomas4
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| 07 Jan 2013 05:22 PM |
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There aren't any innocents. The good folks have already hauled azz and left it to the bad guys! |
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YH
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| 07 Jan 2013 06:49 PM |
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This, of course, leads to another, age-old question...
Why do I keep coming here? |
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ckell
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| 07 Jan 2013 11:45 PM |
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Posted By YH on 07 Jan 2013 07:49 PM
This, of course, leads to another, age-old question...
Why do I keep coming here? Well lets see here, based on observation, and my own stupid ares opinion. You come to a forum where you know your opinion will face opposition, by people you feel are questionable in their intelligence and will tell them so quickly. So I going to say, you enjoy the debates, and seeing who gets riled up. And maybe share a laugh or two, or if not share at least get one for yourself. |
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copperhead70
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| 08 Jan 2013 09:23 AM |
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Posted By YH on 05 Jan 2013 09:44 AM
And THIS is the truth...
Just an up-dated version YH....
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flatbkman
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| 08 Jan 2013 09:44 AM |
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Does anyone think that the one of the reasons there are so many guns in the ghettos is because of the goverment? Look at all the other free things like cell phones, computers, free food, free lodging, cards that let a person withdraw cash to by cig, booze, and play at a strip club, free medical, and free transportation that the goverment provides and calls "necessities" in order to survive. |
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ahoffman2
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| 08 Jan 2013 11:39 AM |
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Yukon, in regards to your last question, I hope that you are here because you like us! I for one, eventho we may be of opposeing political opinions, enjoy what you have to say. After all, at my age, my mind is slowly turnin' into a pile of moldy slime, and I find your opinions very thot provocative. A good thing for moldy, slimy minds!
One stat that isn't being mentioned, which is very critical to us ol' farts, who are on medicare, over 190,000 folks died because of malpractice last year!!! Compare that with your gun stat deaths!
Allen
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GooseIsland
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| 08 Jan 2013 12:41 PM |
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Getting back to specifics, if that nut in CT just wanted to kill kids and didn't have access to a gun, he could have simply gotten into a car and run them over at a school bus stop. Would there be an outcry to ban cars? |
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copperhead70
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| 08 Jan 2013 12:59 PM |
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So when is Congress going to address the problem of fully automatic scary-looking assault hammers?
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Mr VJP
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| 08 Jan 2013 01:06 PM |
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Posted By YH on 06 Jan 2013 11:26 AM
Okay- I'm just gonna come right out and say it- not only is the U.S. NOT the "freest" country on the planet, it barely cracks the top ten. And Canada ranks higher. So there. Nyah.
(Let me preface the following statement by saying I don't believe that inner city crime rates and race are linked...)
Do any of you believe that the answer is to cut off welfare? When backed into a corner, where they don't have enough to eat, no where to live, no way to take care of their children, how many residents of the "urban blight areas" are going to say "Jeez, I better get a job"- and even those that do, when there ARE no jobs for them, would be saying "Hey- this guy has LOTS of money, and I have a handgun- maybe I'll just take his...".
I know. Let's cut 'em off, live in gated communities, arm ourselves to the teeth. Let anarchy rule.
OR...
Maybe we can fund social programs that help get kids out of these $hitholes- get them good educations, give them a chance. Maybe you guys hadn't noticed, but Canada has WAY better social programs... and less gang warfare.
MAYBE PEOPLE THAT AREN'T CAPABLE OF FEEDING THEM, SHOULDN'T BE BREEDING THEM! OH, I FORGOT, THE FED WILL FEED THEM WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS!
I HAVE NO SYMPATHY FOR PEOPLE WHO'S MISERY IS SELF INFLICTED! FUGG SOCIAL PROGRAMS. THEY JUST MAKE DEPENDENTS OF THE STATE THAT WILL VOTE FOR THOSE THAT KEEP GIVING THEM FREE STUFF!! THEY'VE BEEN TRYING THAT CRAP FOR DECADES AND IT AIN'T WORKED. HOW LONG BEFORE PEOPLE START TO SEE IT'S A FAILURE AS A SOCIAL PHILOSOPHY??
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ahoffman2
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| 08 Jan 2013 02:21 PM |
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Yukon, in regards to your statement, that you do not believe that crime in the inner city is race realted, 74% of all violent crimes on the east coast are commited by young Black men. On the westen states, 82% are commited by young black and hispanic men. I believe that this pretty well indicates that our violent crimes are race realted!
Mr. VJP, I do understand were ya are comeing from. Nothing is more fustrateing then seeing that your hard earned tax dollors is going to support a 4th---5th--6th generation welefare family, or a bunch of illeagal aliens. However, I personally know folks from welefare familys, that were emmbarassed by thier hand outs that they had to recieve to survive, and did pull them self out of that rut to become hard working, respectable members of the community! With out the help of our social programs, they could not have done so.
I know, only 1 or 2 out of thousands, but, none the less, IMO, durn well worth saveing!
Allen
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holly
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| 08 Jan 2013 07:47 PM |
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ahoffman2 Iknow families that used it as a crutch to get by until they could get on their feet .then i know of one family that has for generations have been on welfare . The parents were on it when we were in school and they stayed on it after school . Know their kids are on welfare .Just like a family tradition |
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Shootin'J
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| 08 Jan 2013 08:03 PM |
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I'm alittle late in commenting on this and just got done reading the stats. IMO, it's quite a "Simple" report, and only states total numbers. My question is; (If it hasn't already been addressed/answered) of all those numbers, how many of those deaths were from people who "ILLEGALLY" own/posses the stated weapons as opposed to those who "Legally" and responsibly obtained/own these same weapons? And further, why did the report NOT include these statistics? It's the FBI, and as thurough as they may plight to be, why did they refrain from providing such information in that report to simple idiots like me that are bound to ask? Do you think the report was prepared to SWAY certain social groups or the general public? Go figure. |
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ahoffman2
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| 09 Jan 2013 01:32 AM |
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Holly, I think that all of us have probably ran into that family of parasites, that have been suckin' our teets for generations, and we also know those that had to use the system, just untill they got thier feet back under'um. The problem is, we can't pick and choose who we help/or support for ever. However, I sure think the programs could be managed better and more efficiantly!
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rthomas4
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| 09 Jan 2013 08:18 AM |
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SJ, probably 99.99% of the guns used in that report were obtained illegally, the other .01% were used by lawful gun owners who thwarted a criminal by using a gun in self defense. The report failed to segregate lawful, legitimate use from criminal use!!
Allen, I don't think anyone is opposed to short term assistance when it's truly justified. The problem comes from the long term abuses that dominate the programs. So, in a manner of speaking, we could pick and choose who receives the benefits by establishing a better more concise vetting process.
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Lunkerdog
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| 09 Jan 2013 11:45 AM |
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RT4, I understand that your being speculative, but 99.99%??? Not to be misunderstood I don't doubt that the greater majority of the guns were obtained illegally, but I think your shooting a little high (pun intended) with your #'s.
Also, this may just be a matter of semantics, but is a killing committed in self defense classified as a murder? In other words can the FBI include those #'s in this particular stat?
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