Hunting Forum

http://www.saveelk.com/wolf_002.htm
Here's an anti wolf sight for ya, not sure about their facts but they do have a persuasive presentation. Thought of you and the losses of your companions, graphic stuff and presented facts I knew but seeing them presented the way they did hit me differently.

G1, thus far all I've done is watch the slide show, but I bookmarked the site too study it further when I get the chance.

Based on my own experience with wolf kills I'm a bit skeptical about their sport kill rhetoric. I know the pic I posted of my dog seems to support part of what they say, but if you know the whole story it definitely does not.

It was my part time neighbor who initially found my dog. He was leaving his camp to head home at 4:30 AM. Based on the pics from his tcams on the morning my dog was killed we've reasoned that he actually ran the wolves of as he was leaving. He found him on the edge of our road about an 1/8 of a mile from our driveway. Also, the second wolf caught by the federal trapper was caught at the very spot I found my dog after they killed him, it was 2 nights after they killed him, and I believe that the wolf was coming back for another feed.

I have a spot on our logging landing where I bury our animals, I also have a tcam on the landing. Because of rocks, and clay hand digging on our land is tough. I dig shallow graves, then cover them with rocks. When I went to get my trailer too gather the rocks it had a shot/flat tire, I would have to run to town to get a new tire. Before I had chance to get to town I had a wolf go across the landing, and Clarance had been dug up and his body was gone. That was about a week after he had been killed, and his body was fairly ripe by then.

Also I've run across several deer kill sites over the years. At every one of them there was nothing left but blood and hair in the snow. Not even a skull was left to be found.

So as said, I'm skeptical about what their trying to portray on the slide show. It's very possible that the wolves were run off before they had a chance to feed, even potentially out of the area completely. Also, they didn't say anything about a follow up on the carcasses where the wolves may have returned to feed.

I'll dig deeper into the site too see what other info is there, but at this point I've got a hunch that they're trying to tip the tables a bit. I can't say that for sure, but that's the sense I have thus far.

Not to be misunderstood, I appreciate the post, and to want to hunt and kill wolves, I just don't want CK to think I'm reacting over emotionally to that site

It is nice to know you are thinking of me LD.

It's more a matter of self preservation CK, after giving you enough chit yer starting to give it back, I'm just trying to stay ahead of the game.

I did not realize just how big a wolf is, until seeing the pic of the man holding the wolfs hind legs up. I have seen coyotes take the fetus or calf when the momma cow is down giving birth, if they are tired or weak. Or the calf is to big, weaking the mom, they have eatten the calf out, leaving the mom alive, with her genital area partly eatten. Stands to reason wolves would do the same. They the yotes will come back until they have eatten all, unless you shoot a couple at the kill then they may leave it alone after that.

Didn't say I was all in with their"facts" but they do have a few that are known. Wolves kill by consumption, not out right, unless defending territory or themselves then they just shred. I want to look more into what was native here, they talk alot about timber wolves being the native species and these bigger canadian greys were brought in instead, fact I don't know. The website just got me thinking and gave me a few more questions. The problem is facts get lost in hype on both sides makes it hard to find anything factual.

http://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2011...ay-wolves/
factual letter? Who knows, look around seems anyone can produce a document.

I here ya about the facts, and the hype. I remember the garbage the National Wildlife Federation was sending me in defense of the wolves before the Idaho wolf hunt was even in place, it was some hilarious stuff. Needless to say it was the polar opposite from the spin this site is putting on things.

Heck, I can't tell that what they're saying isn't the truth, but when I see things like they're saying I have to fall back and think about my own experiences. I've never seen this sport kill theory myself, but we did have a member here from Minnesota that posted pics in Minnesota forums claiming that it happened at his camp. I've met this member, and have great respect for him. I was actually hunting with the guy when the subject came up and I debated his theory about the sport kill, that's why he post the pics.

That was the first, and only time I've heard about a sport kill here in Minnesota. Even with his pics, I didn't feel that he made his case. The deer was only partially eaten, but I wasn't convinced that it wasn't his activity's that had made the wolves abandon the kill.

One of the facts this site is making that I know to be true is that the wolves don't just kill the sick, and the old. Wolves are hunters of opportunity, they don't check with the whitetail union to see which deer are on their way out. The wolves will take advantage of any mistake that any whitetail makes, they're not age discriminant. That said, though they do take advantage of the sick, and the old, they also kill a lot of younger less experienced animals, and if a healthy mature animal makes a mistake they'll kill it too.

So will 'yotes!

"I did not realize just how big a wolf is, until seeing the pic of the man holding the wolfs hind legs up."

On average they're not all that big, but some grow to be monsters.

Gray wolf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Dimensions

The gray wolf is the largest extant member of the Canidae, excepting certain large breeds of domestic dog.^[52] Gray wolf weight and size can vary greatly worldwide, tending to increase proportionally with latitude as predicted by Bergmann's Rule,^[73] with the large wolves of Alaska and Canada sometimes weighing 3–6 times more than their Middle Eastern and South Asian cousins.^[74] On average, adult wolves measure 105–160 cm (41–63 in) in length and 80–85 cm (32–34 in) in shoulder height.^[75] The tail is ⅔ the length of the head and body,^[76] measuring 29–50 cm (11–20 in) in length. The ears are 90–110 millimeters (3.5–4.3 in) in height, and the hind feet are 220–250 mm.^[75] The skull averages 9–11 inches in length, and 5–6 inches wide.^[77] Wolf weight varies geographically; on average, European wolves may weigh 38.5 kilograms (85 lb), North American wolves 36 kilograms (79 lb) and Indian and Arabian wolves 25 kilograms (55 lb).^[5] Females in any given wolf population typically weigh 5–10 lbs less than males.^[78]

Wolves weighing over 54 kg (120 lbs) are uncommon, though exceptionally large individuals have been recorded in Alaska, Canada,^[78] and the former Soviet Union.^[75][79] The heaviest recorded gray wolf in North America was killed on 70 Mile River in east-central Alaska on July 12, 1939 and weighed 79.4 kilograms (175 lb),^[78] while the heaviest recorded wolf in Eurasia was killed after World War II in Kobeliaky, Poltavskij Region, Ukrainian SSR, and weighed 86 kilograms (190 lb).^[79]

I remember when this pic from that site was posted here a few years ago. There was a debate about it's validity, and about where it was taken. I can't remember the results of the debate. The pic was posted before the wolves were de-listed so I don't believe the pic was taken in the U.S. unless it was Alaska.

When was the last time you had a big steaming bowl of wolf brand chill.

I've never had chili from a can, but I've been told what we make here in Minnesota isn't really chili

Never had any Minnesota chili. I do like to fry up Deer chili meat and add wolf brand in on top of it, as a quick chili.

For what it's worth, honey's chili always make me refill the milk glass at least once and occasionally she'll use steak instead of burger.

Sounds good, I like big chucks of meat to chew on in chilli.