SGINGRAS
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| 30 Dec 2012 02:13 PM |
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I believe this is also a big problem in our society. Children cannot be children w/o being diagnosed and put on pills. How many of these “pills/cures” also cause suicidal tendencies and other social or mental problems.
In some cases medication may be required, but I feel far too often it is just a way to deal with a child instead of in a normal way without drugs, Good old fashioned parenting, understanding, care and yes discipline when needed! Oh! That’s right… the government does not allow discipline anymore!
Medicating millions of kids - for being moody?
http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/12/12/medicating-millions-kids-for-being-moody/
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holly
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| 30 Dec 2012 03:27 PM |
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Funny as they brought in kids who have a hard time taking test as my daughter did ,and never used drugs .She just worked through it and is now a legal secretary .Just a little hard work pays off not drugs .I wonger what kind of pay offs they get from the drug companies . |
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ahoffman2
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| 30 Dec 2012 03:54 PM |
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The fact is, drugs are necissary, in order to brain wash ANYBODY. Just a whole lot simpler to start out when they are young! |
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Deiceman
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| 30 Dec 2012 04:34 PM |
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Sounds like another way of putting them on the public teat. |
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ternera1
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| 30 Dec 2012 05:04 PM |
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Two boys, plenty of energy, and hyperactivity. No drugs. A few ear-pulls, a knuckle on the head, and on extremes, they would cut their own twig(branch) and only one lick.
They both knew how to "yes maam, and yes sir" |
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Lunkerdog
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| 30 Dec 2012 05:36 PM |
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There is no doubt in my mind that kids are being over diagnosed, and over medicated these days, but I have also seen first hand the results from someone who has been properly diagnosed, and have been prescribed the proper medication.
My sister had a very troubled childhood. Back in the 70's they didn't have the understanding of certain disorders that they do today. My sister was in her 40's before she was properly diagnosed as being bi-polar. She was diagnosed while going threw drug rehab. Her personalty, and actions are very much different when she is on a medication that works vs. no medication at all.
The problem with many of the drugs used to treat these disorders is that the people using them can be fine, then as the drugs build up in there system they can actually cause a greater psychotic reaction than not being on anything at all. After going threw several such reactions my sister no longer takes any medication, which is a shame because when she's on a medication that works she can function well in society. As it is today she struggles with her condition, and isn't doing well.
So as said, I have no doubt that these medications are being over used today, but make no mistake, many of these conditions are real, and the medications are effective for many.
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gopheer1
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| 30 Dec 2012 06:07 PM |
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I'm sure there are cases that need medication, my question is who is prescribing them, are they qualified or just cause they have a "Dr." in front if their name they tbink they are. I don't know the procedure for prescribing these meds, does a psychiatrist prescribe these or an actual M.D.? Medications need to be monitored and adjusted to the individual not just handed out like skittles. Is that the problem, shrinks and MD's not working together and pills just being prescribed by trial and error, leading to misdiagnoses, wrong types and/or over/undermedication, and no understanding of medications and possible consequences? Just curious to why so many are on these drugs and why and who has been authorized to diagnose some many with the same ailment? Sounds to me like alot of the problem is kids sit on their azzes all day either on computers, phones or games and don't do anything physical so they have pinned up energy that's not being burned up, like a pup that been locked up all day the tend to tear stuff up, act out to get attention. Like I said I'm sure some do need medication but seems if things are going overboard and alot of kids are on these meds, seems a little ridiculous. |
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Duckbuster
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| 30 Dec 2012 06:12 PM |
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Kids are way too protected today. It's bad to play with guns, take a pill or put some disinfectant on it (Holy cow! That little scratch could give my son rabies! Hurry up and get something on it!...C'mon, rub some dirt on it.). Basically, we're teaching kids today to be more feminine when you think about it. I guess here I'm talking more about boys, but I think you get my drift.
On the flip side, young kids watch shows like "Two and a Half Men" or some guy that goes on a killing spree---as if all of that stuff is "okay". IMO, it's not. These kids are being indoctrinated with all the garbage on TV and on video games...and where does that lead? |
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..l..
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| 30 Dec 2012 07:20 PM |
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i remember them doing this to kids in the 60s the over active ones needed to be calmed down most the ones that i knew that were medicated back then had drug problems throughout life |
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Lunkerdog
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| 30 Dec 2012 08:26 PM |
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..I.., the nature of the drugs used in those days were much different.
There have been many biological breakthroughs in the nature of drug development since then. I may be wrong but as I recall in those days they basically had uppers or downers.
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ckell
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| 30 Dec 2012 08:47 PM |
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Posted By Duckbuster on 30 Dec 2012 07:12 PM
Kids are way too protected today. It's bad to play with guns, take a pill or put some disinfectant on it (Holy cow! That little scratch could give my son rabies! Hurry up and get something on it!...C'mon, rub some dirt on it.). Basically, we're teaching kids today to be more feminine when you think about it. I guess here I'm talking more about boys, but I think you get my drift.
On the flip side, young kids watch shows like "Two and a Half Men" or some guy that goes on a killing spree---as if all of that stuff is "okay". IMO, it's not. These kids are being indoctrinated with all the garbage on TV and on video games...and where does that lead? Duck, I must agree. We are feminizing our boys in many case, Boys raised without Fathers in the house, they don't learn the things we did back in our time. I treat my dauther a little differant than I would a boy, But I don't baby her either, if it ain't broke walk it off, if it is bleeding wipe it off, if ain't that bad move on. She plays with toy guns, and know the differance between toy and real, and can use the real thing. She can give a punch and take one. |
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Duckbuster
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| 30 Dec 2012 09:09 PM |
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Ckell--I commend you for doing so. I can't really talk too much about raising children, though. Heck, I'm still in college. But even young men like myself; you can see that they are just a little more "girly" than you might think they should be (not me, though, for the record. LOL). It's sad. I just hope and pray that if I ever get married and have children I can raise them properly so they do not get sucked in to what the world has to offer nowadays.
In my case as well as my brother's, our dad always allowed us to carry guns around (BB guns, .22s., our 20 gauges), even when we were only 5 and 6 years old. He taught us how to handle them properly and drilled into our heads that safety is always number one. We have a safe now, but when we were younger we kept our guns in a cabinet; which was never locked. We could go in there any time and get our .22s or whatever out and shoot and carry them around. Dad trusted us with them. His only stipulation was we could never handle them when our friends were around; and we listened. I even used to have my guns hanging in my room when I was young. People now (and then apparently) thought he was off his rocker allowing us to handle those guns at that young of an age. I can tell you right now that it was the best thing for us. Because of Dad and his instruction, we have a deep respect for firearms and how to safely and properly use them. You don't find that too often today. |
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Big Dawg
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| 31 Dec 2012 09:45 AM |
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These drugs are nothing more than a fill-in for parents who can't handle the hardships of raising normal children. There are some ( very few in my opinion ) cases where these drugs might help but as a general rule I don't feel these kids should be medicated because the parents tell the MD's " I just don't know what to do with him/her ! " which is a cop out to me. A good fiiends son was one of the hyperactive types and after the school nurse suggested they take him to the MD he was given Ritalin and Seconal. The Ritalin was to keep him less active and the Seconal was used so he could sleep at night. Ritalin is nothing more than a laboratory grade amphetamine and the Seconal is a heavy duty barbituate neither of which should ever be given to a child. I kept telling my friend to not give his son the drugs and after 2 weeks they stopped them. The Ritalin actaully causes the child's brain to run so fast that they just sit there as they don't know what to do. This was 20+ years ago and it is much worse today and is a lot of parents answer to not parenting but instead allowing the drugs to " babysit " their children. Disgusting at the best. |
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holly
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| 31 Dec 2012 11:03 AM |
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My mom raised 7 of us by herself and none of us ever got into drugs and that stuff .We learned right from wrong ,and to respect other people and there stuff .We said yes mam and yes sir to all .When we realy messed up we new what was coming.A raiser strap across the but .Some thing kids don't get anymore .And we new when she yelled you had better listen .Mostly punishment meant some kid of work you had to do .Don't know how many times I had to wash all the kitchen cabinets,and door frames .Swept and mopped floors . A little punishment goes a long way . |
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gutpile
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| 01 Jan 2013 11:32 AM |
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We have become a society that looks to the medicine chest to solve our problems. My brother is Dyslexic back in the 50s they didn't even know there was such a thing. But my brother was given something I wish I had. He is good at all sorts of sports. He is a really talented artist. At thirteen he found a saxaphone cleaning out a barn hnever having touched one before he learned how to fix it and then taught himself to play it. And he's really good. He also plays piano, guitar, mandolin and violin/fiddle. He can't read a blueprint but describe what it is you want built and he pictures it in his mind and then builds it. He built his own home with just a tool box, lumber, and a picture in his head. He works at an airport and he's their "Go too guy" when they need something built, repaired, or improved. Nobody ever said OH you're dyslexic here's a pill. Medications have their place but just because a kid is a cutup in the classroom is no reason to medicate them. I have a buddy who is raising four kids on his own. He has had teachers TEACHERS!!!! tell him his oldest (now 18) that as a gradeschooler he needed to be on this or that medication. His first question to them is: Where is your medical degree from? Silence. He says I thought so. Hid pediatrician said its just a phase no pills needed. My advice to anyone is when a teacher tells you that your kid needs to be on X medication look em square in the eye and tell em to write you a prescription. Teacher teach doctors treat. And when it comes down to it get a second opinion |
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..l..
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| 01 Jan 2013 12:07 PM |
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if you look up ritalin you will find today it is called concerta still used to treat attention disorders |
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swnoel
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| 02 Jan 2013 04:21 AM |
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Posted By ..l.. on 01 Jan 2013 01:07 PM
if you look up ritalin you will find today it is called concerta still used to treat attention disorders
And.... no need to wonder why kids are so f'd up today, kill them with love! http://www.drugs.com/sfx/ritalin-si...fects.html |
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..l..
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| 02 Jan 2013 04:26 PM |
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where i live the kids dont do drugs and drink as much as we did in the 70s and 80s however i do feel some parents and most teachers are way softer now however i do remember hearing from the old farts when i was a kid how phucked up my generation was, and we made it these kids will too |
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rthomas4
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| 03 Jan 2013 11:50 AM |
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gut hit it square on the head. Teachers who shouldn't be teaching because they can't handle the stress, convince the school principle that a kid needs ADD medication, so they send a letter home and send another one to the family Doctor, who figures these "professionals" are educated on the subject, so he follows their suggestion, and the kid ends up on drugs. Travis had one such teacher back in the second grade. He'd been through day care, pre-K, Kindergarten, and 1st grade with no discipline problems. Then, in the second grade he had a teacher that was constantly sending many of her kids, including Travis to the "B" room, which was like a supervised time out. The next year, his first grade teacher had changed to the 3rd grade, and surprisingly, no more problems, and he's never had any other problems the rest of his time in school, as far as attention or misbehavior. BTW, the second grade teacher, ended up moving to a different school and after a year, took early retirement. |
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