Hunting Forum

I came across this in reading the opinion line (anonymous) in my local newspaper. Ruffled my feathers.

"In situations such as mass shootings, untrained people don't have the ability to assess and process whats happening quickly enough. Laypeople cannot adequatly comprehend what actions are reasonable. Relying on gun-toting people to fight gun-toting people is a design for more disaster."

That statement just shows how stupid and out of touch that moronic idiot really is.

I guess they prefer cops like the ones in NYC who managed to shoot 9 innocent bystanders when they were attempting to shoot an armed killer from 3 feet away!!!!!!!!! I know that wherever that little red laser dot is lit up, is where my .45 acp round is going to hit!!!!!!!!!

And how many know that fienstine herself has a CCW and does carry her self .Kind of strange isn't it .She wants to take your guns will she has hers .


And it has came out that Boxer and Pelosi both have CCWs .

Posted By holly on 13 Jan 2013 10:24 AM
And how many know that fienstine herself has a CCW and does carry her self .Kind of strange isn't it .She wants to take your guns will she has hers .


And it has came out that Boxer and Pelosi both have CCWs .

http://youtu.be/vQMwpbSjC1A

Holly, I'm aware that DiFi at least at one point had a CCW. What I'm wondering is, am I missing something? Is she going after CCW's too?

As far as I'm concerned anyone who tries to infringe on my rights is UN-American and moronic and needs to be voted out asap

I've been debating other debates and have not checked this one in awhile. Gota catch up here.

I don't know if Feinstein owns a gun or if she still holds a CCW. And I am not sure if I would be calling for the release of that info. any more than the public release of any other gun owner. Now haveing said that, if she is pushing her anti-gun agenda as she is, it would be interesting to know if she indeed owns a gun. And if she does what is her intent in taking ours. Be it handguns or what they are calling assault rifles. How many remember the attempts at banning , controling handguns the Antis tried. They opposed CCW, because there would be gun fights in the steets. Mass killings by crazed CCW holders becoming angery, or shooting up the steets in running gun battles. Anybody remember all that?

The only places three have been mass killings in the steets are in, for the most part gun free zones. Zones where law bidding CCW holders can not legaly carry.I am not advocating carry guns on planes, But wern't those planes on 9-11 gun free zones, not that it matters, but the places where they crashed more or less gun free zones.

And because maybe one or two people are shot, in areas where CCW is allowed and some one with a CCW stopped it, it does not make national news. It is never told how many people are saved by CCW. Few want to compile that info. or face the antis critism, name calling and the rest of the BS that goes along with that. Because the Antis will stop at all most nothing to make a point right or wrong true or false. They fear and hate guns of any kind, and will work any angal to get them banned, they believe they are right and the ends justify the means.

The anti-gunners will never admitt they were wrong, there have been no mass killings, with running gun battles in the steets as they predicted. Much less that crimes rates have dropped in areas where CCW is permitted, and gun laws are more relaxed.

Now it is fare to say there are many on the pro-gun side who will never admitt they are wrong about anything either. But they are not trying to take a right, felt by the founders as an inalienible right. And not to just hunt or protect ones self from criminals, but the Government its self. You know the antis laugh at that part, but when you think about an should be pointed out. Their very actions, and if banned then the need to take the guns by force, of law bidding citizens does that not qualify, as to what the 2nd Amendment is there for.

The antis laugh and make fun, when a pro-gunner says gun free zones are magnets for crazed gun man. They say they well most likly kill themselves or are killed,and they are prepared to die.  The thing of it is, They do not want to die or be killed before they make their statement or what ever. They want to kill as many as they can before someone kills them, they know it will take the Police a little while to get there and sort out what is going on. Most shoot themselves after someone with a gun arrives, or they are stopped by somone with a gun. Don't know what was going on with the shooter in CO. but at his frist hearing he didn't know what was going on several days after the shooting. And I do not think it is standard pratice to dope up criminals to the degree he appeared to be.

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A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO THINK ABOUT.......December 29, 2012 marks the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms for their own safety and protection . The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children. About 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, but over half of them were victims of fratricide from the Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms. Twenty members of the 7th Cavalry's death squad, were deemed National Heroes and were awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of [cowardice] heroism. We hear very little of Wounded Knee today. It is usually not mentioned in our history classes or books. What little that does exist about Wounded Knee is normally a sanitized Official Government Explanation . And there are several historically inaccurate depictions of the events leading up to the massacre, which appear in movie scripts and are not the least bit representative of the actual events that took place that day. Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people. Before you jump on the emotionally charged bandwagon for gun-control, take a moment to reflect on the real purpose of the Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The argument that the Second Amendment only applies to hunting and target shooting is asinine. When the United States Constitution was drafted, hunting was an everyday chore carried out by men and women to put meat on the table each night, and target shooting was an unheard of concept. Musket balls were a precious commodity and were certainly not wasted on target shooting . The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States. As time goes forward, the average citizen in the United States continually loses little chunks of personal freedom or liberty . Far too many times, unjust gun control bills were passed and signed into law under the guise of for your safety or for protection . The Patriot Act signed into law by G.W. Bush, was expanded and continues under Barack Obama. It is just one of many examples of American citizens being stripped of their rights and privacy for safety . Now, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is on the table, and will, most likely be attacked to facilitate the path for the removal of our firearms, all in the name of our safety . Before any American citizen blindly accepts whatever new firearms legislation that is about to be doled out, they should stop and think about something for just one minute- Evil does exist in our world. It always has and always will. Throughout history evil people have committed evil acts. In the Bible one of the first stories is that of Cain killing Abel. We can not legislate evil into extinction. Good people will abide by the law, and the criminal element will always find a way around it. Evil exists all around us, but looking back at the historical record of the past 200 years, across the globe, where is evil and malevolence most often found? In the hands of those with the power, the governments. That greatest human tragedies on record and the largest loss of innocent human life can be attributed to governments. Who do the governments always target? Scapegoats and enemies within their own borders &but only after they have been disarmed to the point where they are no longer a threat. Ask any Native American, and they will tell you it was inferior technology and lack of arms that contributed to their demise. Ask any Armenian why it was so easy for the Turks to exterminate millions of them, and they will answer We were disarmed before it happened . Ask any Jew what Hitler s first step prior to the mass murders of the Holocaust was- confiscation of firearms from the people. Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our Rights to Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families.
A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY TO THINK ABOUT.......December 29, 2012 marks the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine ...Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children. About 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, but over half of them were victims of fratricide from the Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms. Twenty members of the 7th Cavalry's death squad, were deemed “National Heroes” and were awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of [cowardice] heroism.

We hear very little of Wounded Knee today. It is usually not mentioned in our history classes or books. What little that does exist about Wounded Knee is normally a sanitized “Official Government Explanation”. And there are several historically inaccurate depictions of the events leading up to the massacre, which appear in movie scripts and are not the least bit representative of the actual events that took place that day.

Wounded Knee was among the first federally backed gun confiscation attempts in United States history. It ended in the senseless murder of 297 people.

Before you jump on the emotionally charged bandwagon for gun-control, take a moment to reflect on the real purpose of the Second Amendment, the right of the people to take up arms in defense of themselves, their families, and property in the face of invading armies or an oppressive government. The argument that the Second Amendment only applies to hunting and target shooting is asinine. When the United States Constitution was drafted, “hunting” was an everyday chore carried out by men and women to put meat on the table each night, and “target shooting” was an unheard of concept. Musket balls were a precious commodity and were certainly not wasted on “target shooting”. The Second Amendment was written by people who fled oppressive and tyrannical regimes in Europe, and it refers to the right of American citizens to be armed for defensive purposes, should such tyranny arise in the United States.

As time goes forward, the average citizen in the United States continually loses little chunks of personal freedom or “liberty”. Far too many times, unjust gun control bills were passed and signed into law under the guise of “for your safety” or “for protection”. The Patriot Act signed into law by G.W. Bush, was expanded and continues under Barack Obama. It is just one of many examples of American citizens being stripped of their rights and privacy for “safety”. Now, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is on the table, and will, most likely be attacked to facilitate the path for the removal of our firearms, all in the name of “our safety”.

Before any American citizen blindly accepts whatever new firearms legislation that is about to be doled out, they should stop and think about something for just one minute-
Evil does exist in our world. It always has and always will. Throughout history evil people have committed evil acts. In the Bible one of the first stories is that of Cain killing Abel. We can not legislate “evil” into extinction. Good people will abide by the law, and the criminal element will always find a way around it.

Evil exists all around us, but looking back at the historical record of the past 200 years, across the globe, where is “evil” and “malevolence” most often found? In the hands of those with the power, the governments. That greatest human tragedies on record and the largest loss of innocent human life can be attributed to governments. Who do the governments always target? “Scapegoats” and “enemies” within their own borders…but only after they have been disarmed to the point where they are no longer a threat. Ask any Native American, and they will tell you it was inferior technology and lack of arms that contributed to their demise. Ask any Armenian why it was so easy for the Turks to exterminate millions of them, and they will answer “We were disarmed before it happened”. Ask any Jew what Hitler’s first step prior to the mass murders of the Holocaust was- confiscation of firearms from the people.

Wounded Knee is the prime example of why the Second Amendment exists, and why we should vehemently resist any attempts to infringe on our Rights to Bear Arms. Without the Second Amendment we will be totally stripped of any ability to defend ourselves and our families.

Subject: Thanksgiving 2022


"Winston, come into the dining room, it's time to eat," Julia yelled to her husband.

"In a minute, honey, it's a tie score," he answered.

Actually Winston wasn't very interested in the traditional holiday football game between Detroit and Washington . Ever since the government passed the Civility in Sports Statute of 2017, outlawing tackle football for its "unseemly violence" and the "bad example it sets for the rest of the world", Winston was far less of a football fan than he used to be. Two-hand touch wasn't nearly as exciting.

Yet it wasn't the game that Winston was uninterested in. It was more the thought of eating another Tofu Turkey . Even though it was the best type of VeggieMeat available after the government revised the American Anti-Obesity Act of 2018, adding fowl to the list of federally-forbidden foods, (which already included potatoes, cranberry sauce, and mincemeat pie), it wasn't anything like real turkey.

And ever since the government officially changed the name of "Thanksgiving Day" to "A National Day of Atonement" in 2020, to officially acknowledge the Pilgrims' historically brutal treatment of Native Americans, the holiday had lost a lot of its luster.

Eating in the dining room was also a bit daunting. The unearthly gleam of government-mandated fluorescent light bulbs made the Tofu Turkey look even weirder than it actually was, and the room was always cold. Ever since Congress passed the Power Conservation Act of 2016, mandating all thermostats - which were monitored and controlled by the electric company - be kept at 68 degrees, every room on the north side of the house was barely tolerable throughout the entire winter.

Still, it was good getting together with family. Or at least most of the family.

Winston missed his mother, who passed on in October, when she had used up her legal allotment of life-saving medical treatment. He had had many heated conversations with the Regional Health Consortium, spawned when the private insurance market finally went bankrupt, and everyone was forced into the government health care program.
And though he demanded she be kept on her treatment, it was a futile effort. "The RHC's resources are limited," explained the government bureaucrat Winston spoke with on the phone. "Your mother received all the benefits to which she was entitled. I'm sorry for your loss."

Ed couldn't make it either. He had forgotten to plug in his electric car last night, the only kind available after the Anti-Fossil Fuel Bill of 2021 outlawed the use of the combustion engines - for everyone but government officials. The fifty mile round trip was about ten miles too far, and Ed didn't want to spend a frosty night on the road somewhere between here and there.

Thankfully, Winston's brother, John, and his wife were flying in.

Winston made sure that the dining room chairs had extra cushions for the occasion. No one complained more than John about the pain of sitting down so soon after the government-mandated cavity searches at airports, which severely aggravated his hemorrhoids. Ever since a terrorist successfully smuggled a cavity bomb onto a jetliner, the TSA told Americans the added "inconvenience" was an "absolute necessity" in order to stay "one step ahead of the terrorists."

Winston's own body had grown accustomed to such probing ever since the government expanded their scope to just about anywhere a crowd gathered, via Anti-Profiling Act of 2022. That law made it a crime to single out any group or individual for "unequal scrutiny," even when probable cause was involved. Thus, cavity searches at malls, train stations, bus depots, etc., etc., had become almost routine. Almost.

The Supreme Court is reviewing the statute, but most Americans expect a Court composed of six progressives and three conservatives to leave the law intact. "A living Constitution is extremely flexible", said the Court's eldest member, Elena Kagan. " Europe has had laws like this one for years. We should learn from their example," she added.

Winston's thoughts turned to his own children. He got along fairly well with his 12-year-old daughter, Brittany, mostly because she ignored him. Winston had long ago surrendered to the idea that she could text anyone at any time, even during Atonement Dinner. Their only real confrontation had occurred when he limited her to 50,000 texts a month, explaining that was all he could afford. She whined for a week, but got over it.

His 16-year-old son, Jason, was another matter altogether. Perhaps it was the constant bombarding he got in public school that global warming, the bird flu, terrorism, or any of a number of other calamities were "just around the corner", but Jason had developed a kind of nihilistic attitude that ranged between simmering surliness and outright hostility. It didn't help that Jason had reported his father to the police for smoking a cigarette in the house, an act made criminal by the Smoking Control Statute of 2018, which outlawed smoking anywhere within 500 feet of another human being. Winston paid the $5,000 fine, which might have been considered excessive before the American dollar became virtually worthless as a result of QE13.

The latest round of quantitative easing the federal government initiated was, once again, to "spur economic growth."
This time, they promised to push unemployment below its years-long rate of 18%, but Winston was not particularly hopeful.

Yet the family had a lot for which to be thankful, Winston thought, before remembering it was a Day of Atonement.

At least, he had his memories. He felt a twinge of sadness when he realized his children would never know what life was like in the Good Old Days, long before government promises to make life "fair for everyone" realized their full potential. Winston, like so many of his fellow Americans, never realized how much things could change when they didn't happen all at once, but little by little, so people could get used to them. He wondered what might have happened if the public had stood up while there was still time, maybe back around 2012, when all the real nonsense began. "Maybe we wouldn't be where we are today if we'd just said 'enough is enough' when we had the chance," he thought. Maybe so, Winston.

Maybe so.

"I don't know if Feinstein owns a gun or if she still holds a CCW. And I am not sure if I would be calling for the release of that info. any more than the public release of any other gun owner"

CK, the reason for my question about the CCW is twofold.

First, I haven't heard anything about stripping people of their CCW's, but that doesn't mean that DiFi hasn't proposed it. If she has then my second point is moot.

The second point is if she hasn't I at least for myself want to keep the facts straight. Not to be misunderstood, I am certainly not in favor of the proposals on gun restrictions that I've heard thus far. But I also don't want to muck up the waters, I want to stick with facts at hand, not spread false info that fans the flames.

Many like to refer to history in cases of gun control. Okay, lets look at recent history. In the 90's every one was saying the same things they are saying today. "If we give them an inch they'll take a mile". Did that happen? No it didn't, in fact things have actually gone the other way since then.

Again, not to be understood, I feel that this is very serious because of it's potentiality. I understand that things could have turned out very different. I just don't want to get caught up in a frenzy of misinformation, I want to stay focused on the facts, and the task at hand today.

So as said, if DiFi is currently going after CCW's too, my second point is moot, if she isn't going after CCW's, I'd like to keep my eye on the ball.

As far as I know sne is not going after CCWs .And as far as her ccw she made it known in a news conference and even showed it on TV .And when was asked if she carried she said yes .That was about 2 years ago.

the{1}***** is going after our guns and ammo so what good will a CCW be with out a gun or ammo

She voted against the national reciprocity bill, and has stated that she would favor a Federal certification and background system over the individual state regulations; so in effect Yes, she is also attacking concealed carry!!!!!!!

Feinstein was on the news last night going into a little more detail about the assault weapon ban. She said it listed 158 guns, included were semi auto rifles, shotguns, and hand guns. Nobody needs a gun that they can hold at the hip and spray off 45 rounds in under a minute she went on to say.

We are in the fight of our lives we need to keep sending letters on how we feel to our elected officials and if you are not a member of the NRA join now these{1}*******s think all this will save lives well it wont we need common sense change to keep guns out of the hands of these nut jobs how should not have guns

Jb: Yes I did mean the house of representatives.  Your probably right.  I probably would get shot trying to make a point.  Healey: First,  I like that short story.  That's basically what's going on in our country right now.  It's leading up to that.  And, nobody seems to either see it.  Or, care that is happening.  We are slowly being turned into a bunch of sheep content to let the government take care of us, and let the government do what ever it wants to us. 
As far as the massacre at Wounded Knee.  The 7th Cav came out of Ft. Riley Ks.  When they left.  Custer told them not to change the post until he got back.  Well,  he never did return.  Back to my main point.  There is a monument on the post in remembrance to the men who were killed at Wounded Knee.  It's over in the same area where they have an enclosure for a couple of bison.  In case you haven't already figured it out.  Which you probably already have.  I was stationed there twice.

I recently learned that none of the current gun control bills would have any effect on the members of congress. They conviently exempt themselves. I truly believe that one more amendment to the constitution is needed to disallow congress passing any bill that does not equally affect them. I was reading online the other day and found that 69 precincts in Philadelphia, PA did not have one vote for the Republican presidential candidate. I also saw some precincts in many states had more, some much more, than 100% of voters casting votes. It is time for voter ID and even term limits.

The vote counts are the results of having George Soros' companies either leasing the voting machines to the states, tabulating the vote results, or a combination of the two; on top of voter fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!