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YH, I still fail to see how DOMA can be either Constitutional or unconstitutional, since the matter of homosexuality isn't addressed any where in the Constitution. As I said, it is a legislative law of the land, not a Constitutional law.

Personally, I'm beginning to believe that New Zealand may be the best country to live in. The only problem is they don't have white tail deer over there; but they do have red stag, and elk, and I don't believe there are any gun regs to go along with their low crime rates!!!!!

This should put some light on the subject of welfare .Are these the ones you wish to support .Yes there is people who need help ,but those kind do not .

opic: A Ford Dealer's Report
Posted: 21 Dec 2012 at 8:13pm
From Tom Selkis' (Latham Ford)
True story - yesterday at the dealership.
"I'll try to make this as short and to the point as I can.
One of my salesmen here had a woman in his office yesterday wanting to lease a brand new Focus. As he was reviewing her credit application with her he noticed she was on social security disability.
He said to her you don't look like you're disabled and unable to work.
She said well I'm really not. I could work if I wanted to, but I make more now than I did when I was working and got hurt (non-disabling injury). She said the gov't sends her $1500.00 a month in 1 check. And she gets $700.00 a month on an EBT card (food stamps), and $800.00 a month for rent. Oh yeah, and 250 minutes free on her phone. That is just south of $3500.00 a month.
When she was working, she was taking home about $330.00 per week. Do the math and then ask yourself why the hell should she go back to work. If you multiply that by millions of people, you start to realize the scope of the problem we face as a country.
Once the socialists have 51% of the population in that same scenario, we are finished.
The question is when do we cross that threshold if we haven't already, and there are not enough people working to pay enough taxes to support the non-working people? Riots?? Be prepared to protect your homes.
She didn't lease the Focus here because the dealer down the road beat our deal by $10.00/month. Glad to know she is so frugal with her hard earned money."
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Damn, I wish I had used her attorney!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh know you didnt...You queer loving ass...I dont do the P.C.First off..how the hell do you have a say in our country?If I find out you talk{1}**** about another vet... Ill find you.At least we have enough balls to fight....what is your country doing?Your a bunch of pus@ies.There aint crap in canada but{1}*****s and hockey teams..your just mad because we have rights and you dont.Dont go away mad just go away.Do you remember what a socialist was in the 40 s?Yeah Stalin loved you so much...he would kill you, just to stay in power.What really bugs me.... Is your a wannabe AMERICAN...If you want a voice then become an american citizen...Other than that; go back to finger-banging your gay ass and leave "Us"alone...Oh damn.. I bet you hit the alert button too...most weiners or rat busterds do!

mw-

Go have another drink. 

rt-
The unconstitutionality of DOMA lies in the the fact that it codifies other States' rights to not recognize Gay marriage performed in, say, Washington State. This directly violates Article 4 of your Constitution.

Holly, did you report this woman to the proper authority such as Workmans Comp. or welfare dept.? Sounds like she is commiting fraud and should be. Workmans Comp has investigators to look into this. Your salesman could be considered an alias by not reporting her.

I am not wanting to be demeaning. I just feel that having knowledge of someone who might be commiting fraud should be reported, even more so than seeing a shoplifter.

Posted By YH on 23 Dec 2012 04:12 PM

Posted By ckell on 23 Dec 2012 03:38 PM
You have the right to express those views, but if any one questions them, you start questioning their inteligents right off the bat. 

It hardly surprises me that you see nothing wrong with your comments to me, yet take exception with mine to you. Why take responsibility for your own action? I haven't specifically attacked anyone on here, as no one has directly insulted me. Except you.

Good job refuting the validity of my points, by the way...

 

Iam not sure. Just how to take that.
And I am not trying to be sarcastic here.
Are you being sarcastic or was that a complement.
Sent you a PM same question, If it was a complement you caught me off gaurd.

Posted By copperhead70 on 21 Dec 2012 08:46 AM

Currently, I believe

Is this the support you've been finding?


Your post ain't about gun control, it's about sturring up more crap. With the three words in your opening sentence you can mix this topic anyway you'ld like it to smell.

YH Posts:80

22 Dec 2012 12:57 PM   Yes- and, happily, none of you seem to see where I'M going... So- if a law passes that goes against the Constitution, if I read this correctly, the Constitution takes precedence. How 'bout DOMA? It has already been declared unconstitutional...

Seat belts, gun control and smoking faggs.
It seems rather queer to find all this under one topic heading that YH started.....

NOT!

bpearce .They said they reported it but I know many doing the same and no matter how many complaints nothing happens .Know one that makes close to 100.000 a year and is on medicaid .And many have turned him in with no results .

I'll be more than happy to live here rather than in Canada at this point. How the heck is Canada better to live in than the U.S? Please, enlighten me. I hardly see how socialized medicine is a good thing; there is a reason why a lot of Canadians come HERE to get treated. I'm sure you'll refute that, though. That'll change, of course, because of the socialist piece of crap in office. Also, the rights you have compared to us are nil. I'll bet any money if you lived here for a time and enjoyed all of the rights we have, you wouldn't want to go back to Canada. Don't get me wrong, I like Canada; As far as the outdoor aspect is concerned. But, I can do all of my hunting and fishing here. You can keep your socialism. Why do you think we had millions and millions of immigrants around the turn of the 20th century? Because everyone wanted to come HERE. It was (and still is IMO) the land of opportunity and freedom. Canada didn't see nearly that much immigration.

Here's the way I look at doped up bums who don't want to work. First of all, if you need welfare, prove it! Prove it by showing you have a life-altering disability (don't have one? You get nothing.), by taking a urine test to test for drugs (positive? You get nothing.), and finally prove that you have searched for work by sending in a certain amount of copies of applications to the federal government (Can't do that? You don't get unemployment.) Now, I'm sure this would be a lot more complicated than I make it sound, but you get the jist. For those who can't prove the above, or don't want to, let them rot for all I care. If they want to be play the role of the grasshopper, then they can get fed to the birds.

As far as your scenario; that is the most ridiculous scenario I've ever heard. You really think that the war in the Middle East is the big reason for our poor economy? Ridiculous. First of all, you are insinuating that my friend was drunk when he crashed, which is against the law. Second, if he had no health benefits, he would still get taken care of; it would come from out of his pocket...and probably from the taxpayers. He would end up getting welfare if he became a vegetable. So, either way, if he had no health care benefits or he had socialized health care to take care of him, the taxpayers would be paying for it. Neither case is right, but that's the way it is. The fact that he was drunk while he crashed is not right, either (that's kind of irrelevant). Man, you guys can drink and drive in Canada? That's scary. Oh yeah, and the fact the a veteranarian would sink a couple of screws into his head is the most insane thing I have ever heard. Is that what happens in Canada when you can't get in to see a doctor, or what?

Here, Merrry Christmas. Instead of me listing off all of this, I'll just give you a website that I found. There are your reasons for our tanking economy. Biggest one? Our debt. It isn't the war. Far from it. And regarding the war; while I want it to be over, I also believe that we shouldn't pull out until we are confident that the mission is completed. Is it? I'm not sure; I'll leave that up to our senior officials (that scares me too, though). We needed to go to war...do you know why? There was something back in 2001 that happened. Maybe you've heard of it? It's called 9/11. If something like that happened in Canada, I would hope you would have went to war also.

http://www.businessinsider.com/20-r...010-2?op=1

We are going to get back on track in this country...one way or another.

"And... AND, I believe I read somewhere that the government is supposed to arm the militia. Guess they could arm you with sticks, if they so desired..."

YH, I couldn't help but chuckle at my perceived irony at this statement. If you think about it, particularly since the 2008 election, the government has actually been arming the militia. Obama has been the best gun and ammo salesmen the US has ever seen

DB, I'm not ripping on you, but as a seasonal employee these days I am growing a bit weary of you equating UI with welfare. I'm not sure how it works in Wisconsin, but here in Minnesota before you can draw UI you have to have been employed, and have been laid off for a legitimate reason. You cannot collect UI if you have quit, or have been fired from your job. Also UI benefits are not a set/equal amount for all. UI benefit amounts, are calculated by what one has "earned", and are not indefinite. I know that many like to grumble about the perceived abuse of UI extensions, and that's fine, but again the extended benefits are not indefinite, they will eventually run out. UI benefits are not paid to those who "do not want too work", they are paid to those "who have worked" and have lost their employment for a legitimate reason.

When I worked in the construction trades it wasn't seasonal, but at times we were laid off as we waited for a job to be completed to the point that it was ready for us. UI was a short term bridge at those times, and was not guaranteed, it was an "earned" benefit. If you hadn't put in enough time on the job, you were not eligible for UI benefits.

I understand that UI extensions are being paid by taxpayers, and that some perceive UI benefits to be a form of tax on employers, but to equate them too welfare is a bit of a stretch for me.

The biggest gripe I have with UI, is when unions go on strike and start drawing UI immediately without any waiting period, because they pre-filed for their benefits prior to going on strike!

Also, an automobile dealership's F&I manager is under the same restrictions as a bank loan officer or teller, under The Fair Credit Reporting Act, and the Federal Privacy Act. When I was compliance and security officer for The Bank of Elloree, in Elloree, SC., we had a young black woman who deposited welfare checks from NY, NJ, Pa, and SC every month, along with paying her utility bills with vouchers (the bank accepted utility and phone bill payments) and several employees had witnessed her buying groceries with food stamps (this was back in the 70's). She had a savings account with over $50,000 in it and her checking account balance was constantly at $5,000 or more. We could not report her because under the law the Bank would have been guilty of criminal action if we did. If an individual who is not employed in a fiduciary job witnesses such criminal action, they may report it, but they damn sure have to be able to prove the allegations, or face criminal charges.

YH, "Full faith and credit shall be given in each State to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof."
The same article also mandated that escaped slaves had to be returned to their rightful owner even if they had managed to make it to a non-slavery state. That provision was changed by the thirteenth and fourteenth amendments.

I am unaware of any state's failure to recognize another state's marriage certificate. Each state has the right to exercise it's own laws concerning what it considers to be legal marriage, and if that state doesn't allow gay marriage that doesn't preclude it from accepting a marriage certificate as proof of marriage from a state that does. If that has occurred, I missed hearing about it. DOMA being a Federal law, automatically trumps state law, so has there been a case that I'm unaware of???

LD...I understand where you're coming from. I believe it works in a similar way here in Wisconsin. I think that being able to collect unemployment is a good thing, but I do think that some people do take advantage of it. I mean, they basically sit on their unemployment insurance rather than trying to find another job. Then, when unemployment does run out for them, they finally go and try to find a job. I'm not saying you do this, for the record. You seem to take pride in your jobs and work hard from what I get off of here. Forgive me if I agitated you; didn't mean to. I just think that it could be revised a touch. But, like I said earlier, it's probably easier said than done. I guess it wasn't necessarily fair of me to equate UI with welfare; I realize there are a lot of hard workers out there who have been laid off and cannot find other jobs and need it. I know some myself. The reason I did it, though, was again, because some people do take advantage of these programs in whatever way they can, which isn't right. They may have gotten laid off, but in a way are "happy" about it (sounds a little oxymoronic) because they don't have to go to work and can just collect UI for a while.

ckell-
Both.
You made some good arguments to start with- however, once the mudslinging starts, be prepared for an escalation in hostilities. I don't mind that, at all.
It's sorta in my wheelhouse.

LD-
You have my sympathies. Being the good Union man I am, I HATE to see anyone unemployed, or under-umployed. A few years back, I tried to help someone on this site get a job up here- can't recall who. It's a shame there are so many Americans right now suffering through this- meanwhile, in Alberta, I pay unskilled workers $21 an hour to act as Security Guards- and I have a hard time finding anyone. I'm hiring convenience store clerks. The Tarsands are crying for people, especially tradesmen (our Shop guys are at about $40 an hour, with LOTS of overtime), but the people are all working...


For today, I shall call a unilateral ceasefire. Merry Christmas to all- yes, even you, mw. Hope everyone finds peace in the New Year.