JoeTermite
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| 16 Dec 2012 06:55 AM |
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Been reloading my .300 win mag no problems.
Decided to reload my .35 Remington.
Bought a bag of 50 brass, Bought a jar of IMR3031 and was using my large rifle primers from my .300,
None of the reloads fire. Tried some store bought of different manufactors, they fire. The primers work fine in my .300.
What gives. Can never before opened powder go bad?????
Has anybody ever had a problem with new Brass?????
Thought I would try some of my IMR 4831 or IMR 4350 but can not find any data for these powders in .35 Rem.
What would you do??
Joe Termite
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Cashman
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| 16 Dec 2012 08:10 AM |
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Not sure what is going on, but if your primer had fired, that alone would have lodged a bullet in the barrel. In other words, it is NOT your powder, but your primers. Or, it could be that your firing pin is not striking your primer hard or deep enough to fire it. Perhaps your primers are seated too deep, maybe the primer pocket in your brass is formed too deep. Remove the bullet and powder from a few and see if the primer fired. I think you will find that they did not.
I would try to prime a few cases individually, by hand, taking care to seat the primer only as deep as necessary to clear the bolt face when chambering. Fire the primer on an empty case. You will have to clean your barrel, but it will tell you what is happening with the primers.
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Deiceman
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| 16 Dec 2012 08:19 AM |
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The might not seated completly.When the fireing pin hits it,it might be just pushing the primer forward and seating it. My nephew had a problem like that and that was what the problem was. |
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dk99300
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| 16 Dec 2012 10:49 AM |
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Did the primers fire in the 35 but not the whole load? Were the primers dimpled at all? Are the flasholes there? Once in awhile, a case escapes with no flashole. I doubt a whole bag got through but... 4831 and 4350 are too slow for the 35 Rem. so nobody provides load data for that combination.
Did you resize the new brass before loading? If you did, you could have set the shoulder back and you have too much headspace, this would let the whole case slide forward when the firing pin hits.
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JoeTermite
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| 16 Dec 2012 02:09 PM |
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None of the primers are firing. They all have good size dimples in them..
Had the gun cleaned because of this problem. Still having problem. Will try to measure the shoulder length. Store boughts are working. Reloaded four store boughts, three fired first shot one needed to be fired twice. Sprayed the crap out of the hammer and firing pin area. Seems that it is hitting harder now.(in basement). Raining outside, will try again tomorrow. I might be making the bullet cartridge too short. Suppose to be 2.525 was making them 2.450. Will get them as close as possible without going over 2.525.
If I pushed the shoulder length back wouldn't this effect the entire length????As all the new brass?? are correct without any shaving.?????
Also am trying new primers
I load all the primers one by one.
Will try to shoot a coulpe of primers.
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BRUSE
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| 16 Dec 2012 02:21 PM |
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I say it is a seating issue with the primer. the length of the case won't stop it from firing but will cause loading problems. I would check the firing pin and the primers again. I'm not sure how safe it would be to put one of the rounds that didn't fire in a bullet puller and pull the bullet off and try try a n ew load in it. Just something about a round that didnt go off scares me. The flash hole could be the cause and or seating depth.
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JoeTermite
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| 16 Dec 2012 03:09 PM |
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So I took 10 new shells out of the bag. Put primers in 10 primers without resizing the bullets. All 10 fired. This was after soaking the hammer and firing pin assembly with action cleaner. I am going to take gun back to gun smith and have him put a new spring in it. Also going to find out if they took the firing pinn assembly out completely.
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jboshoven
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| 16 Dec 2012 11:05 PM |
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I own a pistol that has a similar problem (but it would fire some and not others). I agree with those above questioning if you are seating the primers all the way. If the firing pin is pushing the primer home, it will not fire. Assuming that that is not it, as was the case with my pistol the problem was solved two ways.
I was using Winchester Primers that have a thicker cup as compared to Federalprimers. When I switched to the Federal primers no more miss fires. I also wrote the manufacturer of the pistol and they sent me a new spring for the firing pin. I put it in, but still load with the Federal primers becasue better safe than sorry.
So, you may want to try Federal primers (Note if I remember correctlly, CCI has the thickest cups)
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jboshoven
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| 16 Dec 2012 11:35 PM |
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BTW, I may have the primer manufacturers messed up. I am currently in Korea, do not have access to my reloading notes. The main point is that different primers have different thicknesses and it may be worth a try to get one with a thinner cup.
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dk99300
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| 17 Dec 2012 03:23 PM |
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Posted By JoeTermite on 16 Dec 2012 04:09 PM
So I took 10 new shells out of the bag. Put primers in 10 primers without resizing the bullets. All 10 fired. This was after soaking the hammer and firing pin assembly with action cleaner. I am going to take gun back to gun smith and have him put a new spring in it. Also going to find out if they took the firing pinn assembly out completely.
Joe Termite
I assume you mean you didn't size the new cases, not the bullets. That really leads me to believe you are setting the shoulder back on the cases you are resizing. This will affect headspace, the distance between where the shoulder hits the chamber and the front of the bolt where the firing pin comes out. Too short a distance between the shoulder and the case base allows the firing pin hit to drive the case forward until it contacts the chamber instead of setting the primer off. The 35 Rem. doesn't have much shoulder to start with, it wouldn't take much to end up with a problem. Back your sizing die out some, reset according to manufacturers instructions and resize a FIRED case. It may or may not chamber easily. Play around with adjustments until you get a resized case that is slightly hard to chamber. The adjust your die down in 1/16 turns until you get one that chambers easily. You can also mark the case shoulder with candle smoke or a Sharpie marker and see if it gets rubbed off when you chamber it as a 'check' to the 'hard/easy close' You may have an extremely tight die or overly large chamber or any number of combinations. Fine tune your dies to your rifle. That is one of the advantages of reloading. BTW, I never size new brass, although I will run the case mouth over the expander ball if the mouth is obviously out of round. Dale |
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finepoint
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| 17 Dec 2012 04:44 PM |
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Two thoughts:
One- seating the primers too deep; not a common problem.
Two- setting the shoulder back, creating excessive headspace. This is easy to do in the 35 Rem both because the shoulder is small and easy to move without noticing; and many dies are designed so it is possible. This is done because of the need for more severe resizing in the old blowback operated semiautos that introduced the caliber. Be sure to resize only enough to allow reliable chambering, as described by dk99300 above.
BTW, pushing the shoulder back often stretches (actually extrudes) a case, though not enough to notice if a small shoulder like a 35 Rem only moves a hundredth of an inch. |
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finepoint
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| 17 Dec 2012 04:56 PM |
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Also, since no one else commented on it, 4831 and 4350 are much too slow for effective performance in the 35 Rem. I found an old 1960's DuPont/IMR data book that listed 1915 fps(from a 24" barrel) from a compressed load of IMR4350, useful for cast bullets because of the low pressure and temperatures, but not for hunting loads. |
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JoeTermite
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| 17 Dec 2012 06:19 PM |
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Sounds like a plan. Now I know how to set the depth, I will try it when I get my new dies. Got p. o.ed and was sizing without lube and got one stuck. bent the crap out of the die.
Joe Termite
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ahoffman2
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| 17 Dec 2012 08:01 PM |
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I do not use IMR4350 in my .30-30 lever guns, but I do use a lead bullet at 1965 fps.. Why is it FP, that you don't think that the load you mentioned is not suitable for a hunting load?? You can not live long enuff to harvest the animals that I have killed with this load!! |
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finepoint
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| 23 Dec 2012 02:47 PM |
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Certainly, one can kill game with lead bullets at modest velocities; handgunners do it all the time. But in a rifle, one generally is looking for optimum power in the chosen case. Therefore there is little point to driving a 200 gr jacketed bullet from a 35 Rem at under 1900 fps when one can easily hit 2100-2300 simply by choosing a more appropriate powder. The point was to help Joe T understand the practical effect of powder burning rates and why certain powders are recommended and others are not. |
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