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... that we are all participating in the politicizing of the tragedy at Sandy Hook, just as surely as the MSM?

The majority  of us on these boards are Americans... in this country, we have the right to participate in dialogue under the protection of  1st Amendment. So what's your point?

My point is that people b*tch and whine about others politicizing this, then do it themselves. Nothing like a little self- righetousness gone awry.

YH it became politicized as soon as the media arrived, on scene. The anti gun people were gearing up as soon as the first news of it came out. We can never really predict who is going to step off the deep end, or when they will, or as you pointed out what they will use to cause their terrior. You are form Canida, and in North America we are fortunate the mad men have not resorted to other more deadly devises we see in so many other Countries around the world. England being one that as gun control, but look at their terrior theat, and the devises used there, when they are used, Irland fits in there as well they are what we concider more civilized by western standards.

What I see is a bunch of Americans that are tired of the BS and incompetence coming out of Washington, the continuous threat by those in power to our freedoms, because of the act of others.

The continuous hypocrisy of those that say, do as I say, not as I do.

Our voices don't get heard... our way of life is under constant attack by those that hate the happiness we find, something that  only freedom brings.

We have those that despise hard work, those that despise those that have been successful, those that hate ones that save, those that hate a traditional family style, those that hate God, those that hate everything that has made this country the best place to live on the globe.

Now we are confronted with those that want to bring fairness to all... we need to make things fair!

Fairness to them, is to take $99 dollars out of $100, from someone who has worked hard and saved leaving them $1, because others only have $1 ... thus making it fair!

Maybe you should read the story of the ant and the grasshopper... government will now save the grasshopper, because of the horrible actions of the ant. Yes... the ant is now being accused of plundering someone else's work!!!

Yes YH this country IS sick and it's only getting worse, because we no longer have sane individuals running the asylum.

Yup, I've realized it. Tho not perfect I've done my best to refrain from overreacting at this time. Ironically we recently had a debate here about overreacting at a time of emotional distress.

That said, what else can one do? The left is not wasting any time to try and take advantage of this tragedy.

This is going to be politicized whether we like it or not, if we just go and lay by our dish now we will be trampled by the rabid sector of the gun grabbing left!!!

well said, swnoel.I wish I had the ability to convey my thoughts so elequently!

The time is coming to where we will all have to make difficult choices. We must stand together. Join the NRA, it,s my best line of defense.

You have a choice... be cornered and have your head beat in or fight back. I'm not going to have my country destroyed by the ones with ideologies our fathers and grandfathers fought and many gave their lives against. We will be under constant attack by those attempting to destroy us, our values, and our freedoms. This IS the LAST country on the globe that offers it's people what we have... do we turn our backs and let them win... Americans never have done this before and something tells me they won't this time either.

Even in the American Revolution, 50% didn't care, 25% were on the side of the crown , and 25% wanted freedom... I know which I give my allegiance to.

It's already been said better than I ever could in the previous posts (excepting YH's of course)

I've made no bones about the fact that I don't care for all of the political crap that goes on but the left wing
zealots are gaining everywhere.  If the people who believe in traditional values and rights don't start making
as much noise as that are, we're screwed. It's bad enough that billions of dollars are spent trying to further
their agenda, but most any "news" source is in their pockets as well.

You'd better wake up.

I like what the Father from Columbine said, that you never truly get past it, there will be a hole in their lives forever, but he had forgiven. The parents of those kids are hurting in many ways, and in an emotional state that is vulnerable to seeking revenage, more than justice. The mad man who did this is dead. He killed his own mother, as well, for reasons we do not know. They are looking for answers, reasons and somwhere to place blame, for somthing that few if any could have seen coming. No matter how or what we do, we can never truly protect our selves from random acts of any thing, be it man made, or natural. Those who support gun rights, can only give what ever support they can to those who where hurt by this act. The anti gun people have not hesitated to start beating their drums, not so much in support of the victums, but in support of their agenda. Maybe it is not aproperate, but the gun supporters did not start the debate, and the only way for evil to take hold is for good, reasonable men to remain silant, exspeicaly in a time of emotional stress such as this.
I would not want to be in those Parents shoes at all, and at this time I am sure people argueing over gun rights is not what they want to be hearing. But the anti gun people, are trying to give them a place to place their blame, the evil gun. Those of any horrible act or event in an emosional state are/ will be looking for a place, to place blame. Revenge can oftin be mistaken for justice. And the taking away of rights, liblerty and freedoms of those who they see as  maybe having the potentual to do such a thing is an easy answer, in a time of emotional stress, pain, and uncertainty.

The world is full of psychopaths, and apparently, they have been influenced by the moon or something because we are witnessing an epidemic. It may well be that the recent upswing in liberalism and socialism in this country has released a sort of mania in these psychos, or maybe it's a situation of "monkey see, monkey do". Either way, those of us who believe in the Constitution have no choice as to the timing of our responses as dictated by the liberal media's efforts to spearhead a movement against us.

When we irregardless of the reason start a conversation about things such as this we are in fact doing exactly as the media though under a different thought but the results ARE the same. You cannot " not " politicize anything when you are doing as the media is doing and that is talking about whatever has happened whether it be a private or public conversation.

The media has politiczed this, they and the antis are fixated on guns as the root of all evil, and need to place the blame on guns. The gun supporters would not have said a word about guns being the blame, and would have left that subject alone. Concentrating instead on helping them get through this, by what ever means, however they could, rather than finding blame. The antis force us to be a voice of reason, and then attempt to paint us as un-feeling and un-careing about anyithing, but our guns, and as bad guys for having some reasoning. Those parents just lost their child, to a gun toting mad man. Their lives have been changed forever, their childs rights were violated, and their lifes taken. They do not care and are not thinking about anyone elses rights, liberty, or freedom. They want a reason, answers, they need somone or somthing to blame for their loss. This maded no sence, and tring to make sence out of it will lead no where, but further loss of freedoms and rights , if a voice of reason is not added.

amen ckell

ckell that's the way it is .

Posted By YH on 16 Dec 2012 08:52 AM
My point is that people b*tch and whine about others politicizing this, then do it themselves. Nothing like a little self- righetousness gone awry.

liberal logic:>>>><<>>>liberal: This tragedy should show us how desperately we need to ban guns. Conservative: Actually, I was thinking it shows why we SHOULDNT disarm VICTIMS. liberal: How DARE you politicize such a tragic event!

Posted By Steve on 16 Dec 2012 10:06 AM
It's already been said better than I ever could in the previous posts (excepting YH's of course)

I've made no bones about the fact that I don't care for all of the political crap that goes on but the left wing
zealots are gaining everywhere.  If the people who believe in traditional values and rights don't start making
as much noise as that are, we're screwed. It's bad enough that billions of dollars are spent trying to further
their agenda, but most any "news" source is in their pockets as well.

You'd better wake up.

Until the dumbazzes in this country finally realize this is for real... they'll do nothing.

Unfortunately, it might be too late once they wake up!

The anti gun people have not hesitated to start beating their drums, not so much in support of the victums, but in support of their agenda.

ckell you have expressed extreme clarity of thought and observation. One of the first things I heard from the anti-gunners was "gun show loophole" Had this nut purchased his guns from an individual at a gun show w/out a background check, this would be germain to the conversation. But since he, in effect, stole the guns from his mother, gun shows have nothing to do with it. Gun shows are just one of the anti-gun's pet complaints. What is the most relevant conversation has gotten very little attention is the question of whether or not the mother recognized that her kid needed serious help or if she was in denial about the situation.

I sense my original point may have been lost........................