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oh come on now SJ... that would violate the babies Civil Rights....

SJ, "assault pistol" be ashamed, very ashamed. Was it a fully automatic pistol? If not, then it was NOT an "assault pistol"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If the seller didn't want to follow the rules, that's one thing( I don't see that at gun shows down here), but for you to fall into the same category as the antis and call something an "assault" anything is just WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted By bpearce on 23 Dec 2012 08:04 AM

My vote is to make CCW a REQUIREMENT if you want to be a teacher. They should have to go through a firearms training program, which includes demonstrating proficiency with the weapon. When people send their children to school, they put them in the trust of the school to KEEP THEM SAFE! Cost? The training programs and the weapon. Done.

That would be one way to reduce the number of liberal teachers in our schools. LOL
I don't think we need to go that far but could make it a requirement for all principles and/or vice principles.

One of the arguments against this is that there would be a chance for an enraged student to get control of one of those guns. It would be interesting to know if this had ever happened in any of those schools that had armed security. The liberal media would jump all over that if it did happen.

bpearce, you took the words right out of my mouth!  That was my next thought as to why every teacher probably shouldn't carry, the threat of being taken over by your own students. Don't forget folks, it isn't just adults that kill, it's their messed up kids.  Coming from past experience working in corrections, we have stopped many attempts of hostile take-over ( thank you narks) and thank God there were no guns to grab.

These shootings aren't being done by a well orginanized militia? They are disgruntled, mentally deranged individuals that probably know well enough ahead they are going to die by the law or by their own hand, stopping their pain for whatever reasons?  A few well placed snipers inside the schools, at designated openings, will stop these nutz with one hollar to "halt".  If they are like you and me, we are going to halt for obvious reasons.  The nutz will either run or draw. "click, click, boom!"
Back to my earlier statement, if you know ahead that you are going to meet resistance, you probably are going to have a second thought and deside not to do the crime, unless you are suicidal. "click, click, boom!"

And who's going to foot the bill for having multiple well trained snipers in every school who will obviously demand a high salary? Taxes. Now, if the{1}*******s who are SUPPOSED to be representing us actually got government spending under some sense of reasonableness there would be more than enough to cover that but we all know the chances of that. So the only option would be to raise taxes even further.

And you don't think the teachers will demand more if they are required to carry? I would? We have trouble keeping teachers now because they are under paid. I like the idea of using our retired military, or even military that have served and are more than qualified. Lets utilize our SWAT, already on the gov/state tab?

I am with Steve as our school budgets are already strapped we don't have the funds to pay for extra security. It would be cheaper to pay those principles a little more than to hire extra guards. Even the retired military personal would want to be paid to do extra duty.

My wife came up with the idea of putting  guns in  cases much like a fire extinguisher in different strategic locations around the schools for access by ccw carrying teachers in case of some nut job getting in the school and causing caos.  She works for Texas Instuments in Dallas.  Right after the school shooting.  Some morons were getting diahrea of the mouth about gun shows and guns. She went off on them. She told them about waiting for back ground checks when I've bought guns at the shows.  she also told them you never hear about law abiding people defending themselves with guns.  Then she told them how my car broke down momentarily in a bad area of town.  In Tucson.  How my car was surrounded by some so called billy bad arsses until I pulled my gun.  They left me alone after that.  The Morons changed the subject  to football after she got done.The problem with the people in congress is.  They are a bunch of uneducated morons that show how stupid they are every time they get diahrea of the lips about guns.  Theydon't have a clue about what they are talking about. But, they are going to show beyond a shadow of doubt how stupid they are by talking anyway.And passing laws that won't change anything. Society does need a change.  There is't any courtesy on the road anymore.  The people drive like they are mentally deranged.  Cutting off people.  Tailgating because you know you will get cut off if you don't.  Doing 80 plus in a 60 area in heavy traffic.  Cutting off a big truck. Then slamming on the brakes to go into a liquor store.  This happened to me last week.  I was bobtail at the time.  In case you don't know.  It takes a bobtail 5 times longer to get stopped than a loaded tractor trailer. Society has really gotten bad.  Its gonna get worse too.  You can see it every where.Unfortunately.  We, as gun owners.  Are going to catch the brunt of it.  Because our passion for our sport isn't shared by a lot of stupid idiots who don't know.  And they are so closed minded.  They don't know.  And, they don't want to know anything about gun owners.  Unfortunately,  They are the people who have the most money and have the ability to make the most noise.  When the NRA makes that much noise.  They are demonized by they lib media.  I wish there was a way to get equal time as the libs.  Unfortunately, they run the news media.  My wife was telling me about that psychiatrist on the show with George Stephonopolis.  Good for him.  He said what was needed to be said.

Yeah, no one wants to be a teacher because in their UNIONS eyes, they're underpaid. Plenty of my friends wifes are teachers and I've never heard one of them complain about pay. The teachers themselves will usually tell you they're paid pretty well for the number of days per year that they work. They they'll brag about all of the benefits they get. Their medical coverage if fabulous, retirement etc etc etc...

The problems they WILL tell you about is the unruly punks they have to deal with and wish their hands weren't tied to discipline the little b*stards. But that's an entirely different discussion.

I still say, you want to be a teacher? That goes with the territory. I'll bet most would accept or even welcome it.

RT; I only called it an assault pistol because the manufacturer nomenclature is stated as an assault pistol. AA Arms AP-9 to be exact. No, it is/was not fully automatic, but if the manufacturer calls it an assault pistol, then so do I. Not to mention that they were banned by the FAWB before being re-released after the lift in 1994. As far as shame goes, I'm not quite clear on your angle. I sway from falling into any kind of "Antis" as you stated, and feel good that I did not support this sellers bad business ethics. That's all.

Bigrig's wife may be onto something?
Arming teachers is an accident waiting to happen, even the principle? Just because you mandate someone to carry doesn't warrant they will actually use it, and be effective, when the time comes? Look at police shoot outs and how many rounds actually hit their mark? Very few due to adrenalin rushes and they are trained for this kind of action.
I would gladly pay extra to ensure someone isn't going to think twice about taking someones head off and my kids/grandkids will be properly protected. Probably the first time our taxes would actually be spent on something worthy? Maybe all the "gun control" folks would step back a little if they knew a "gun" was keeping their kids safe?

Lets not talk about unions Steve.

Posted By GLW on 23 Dec 2012 11:26 AM

Lets not talk about unions Steve.

 
Lord, that weren't right right thar.... I apologize, and be with the starvin' Pygmies down there in New Guinea. Amen

SJ, My comment was a response to my pet peeve of the term "assault" being inappropriately attached to semi-automatic guns. If the manufacturer used that to describe their products, then they are evidently catering to the punk elements that participate in the criminal use of guns. Responsible and respectable gun manufacturers would never attach such misleading nomenclature to their products.

I also agree with your decision to not do business with that seller. If he didn't even want to provide a receipt, my first inclination would be to question the legitimacy of the sale, and how "hot" the gun might have been.

oops - deleting errant double post.

I'm with you on all that RT. I looked up Assault weapon on wikipedia and it gave a good description of such. Based on what I read, I understand why the AP9 was concidered an assault pistol. I own an AR 15, (which is rightfully accepted AND respected) by all arms owners, as an assult rifle. This AP9 is no different with the exception of being a smaller frame and larger caliber. I believe that is why it was considered as an assault pistol. Needless to say that I did not endulge in the sellers unethical ways of firearm transfer. I have no shame in that. And in that, I don't believe I fall into that category of "Antis". There is no Anti within me. All backed by responsibility as I touched on in my posts. I know you and I are in the same boat, but just paddled in different directions for a moment there. Happy Holidays!

Jeff

Actually an AR 15 is not accepted as an "assault weapon" by any groups other than the anti-gun crowd.........which wikipedia is part of!!!!!!!! Remember that AR is an abbreviation of the name Armalite Rifle, not assault rifle or automatic rifle as so many of the anti-gun pundits would have the masses believe. No legitimate AR owner accepts or respects the terminology of "assault rifle" being attached to their semi-automatic firearm that only bears a cosmetic appearance to an actual military weapon. Remember that in order for a firearm to be an actual assault weapon, it has to be capable of a fully automatic firing mode, often facilitated by a selector switch that allows single fire, 3-5 shot bursts of fire, or fully automatic fire. No such selector switch exists on an AR style firearm which requires an independent trigger pull in order for each round to be expended.

Well Cherokee they had a shooting in Sac.just the other day .Four people were shot .This all happened during a home invasion .The only one dead is the goon .It was said that the time it took the home owner to get the trigger lock out let the guy shoot first when he saw the gun .

I know a couple of teachers here and one says no to making it mandatory for all teachers to carry guns .One just plain says no to carrying Her husband hunts and she dose shoot but says she could not shoot anything Neither opposes having armed people in the school .

Well then in Steve-land they wouldn't be teachers. Part of the job, just a cop carrying. Cops are there to protect all people. One aspect of being a teacher is protecting my kids when they are in your charge. Don't like it? You can go right down the street and ask if they'd like to Super Size that...

I'm kind of playing devils advocate here... point is... putting a guard or two in schools isn't going to stop anyone or anything. I can easily take one or two unsuspecting people out before they know what hit them. It's a feel good do-nothing action. The kind of thing this country has gotten into the habit of doing as opposed to actually fixing the problems.

In my last post.  I mentioned my wifes idea of putting guns in strategic places around the school for ccw carriers to get in an emergency.  I forgot to add that it would automatically set off like a silent alarm to the police when the glass was broken and the gun is retrieveed from the case.   I have a real problem with only military looking rifles being labeled assault weapons.  Anything can be an assault weapon.  If I picked up a rock and threw it at you.  Ijust turned that rock into an assault weapon.  The antis won't look at somebody running someone down with a car.  But, the person driving that car or pick up just turned it into the most deadly assault weapon around.  Talk about taking several people out.  And, it can be done in less time than it would take to take out the same number of people with a gun.  More people are killed every hour by motor vehicles than are killed every year by guns.  Are they being targeted?   No?  Why not?  Hmmm  Interesting, huh. A baseball bat can be turned from a sporting impliment to a very deadly assault weapon when you swing it at someones head.  I could go on and on naming off several things that could be assault weapons jjif they aren't used as intended.  But,  all of you get the idea. Too bad the lib idiot gun grabbers don't.