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| 05 Oct 2012 10:27 PM |
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I have no idea where to post this, so I hope this is a good place... I am looking at various maps of the area on the Eglin AFB
public lands (recreation, hunting, mountain biking, fishing, etc.), such as THE map of the area provided by the folks at the
Jackson Guard office that manage the area, topo maps on My Topo, and after lots of different sets of symbol charts, I've
settled on one from the USGS (can't get much more authoritative than that).
I'm getting the knack of reading the various symbols, contours, etc., but in at least one case, I don't know what it really
means. That would be, "submerged wooded marsh or swamp". Switching to an overhead view, it just looks like an area
of dense trees. What I'm wondering is (several questions):
1) what, exactly, is submerged?
2) if I step into that area, am I walking in a swamp or going swimming?
3) is that likely (if combined with the right terrain around it) to be a good potential spot for deer and/or hogs?
4) the only bodies of water named there are creeks (which, again, in the overhead view are only a few clearly-defined
paths within the area labelled as the submerged wooded marsh/swamp) ... is that a creek flowing within a marsh
or swamp?
Anyone have any experience with these types of areas? For anyone with experience with the Eglin AFB range, I'm
specifically referring to topo map stuff from the Robert's Pond area (management unit).
Thanks,
--jim
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bigrig
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| 07 Oct 2012 07:55 AM |
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Sounds to me like it means that if you step into that area. It's probably a swamp. You may find some area's there that are deep enough to swim in. |
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| 07 Oct 2012 08:08 AM |
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Posted By bigrig on 07 Oct 2012 08:55 AM
Sounds to me like it means that if you step into that area. It's probably a swamp. You may find some area's there that are deep enough to swim in.
Yeah, that's what bothers me. Even with snake-proof gaiters protecting me to my knees, where there's swamp around here, there are sure to be cottonmouths (aka water moccasins). And they're just as bad-tempered as diamondbacks, if not worse. Anyone who has been reading my questions so far knows...I do NOT like venomous snakes. All of my prior hunting experience (as a kid) was in the Texas Hill Country (near Canyou Lake in Comal County). In that area, even in 30 deg temps, you STILL have to watch for rattlesnakes, and if you don't see it before it sees you, it may not give you any warning. Everyone tells me it's just not that way here, but when you grow up with that..... I suppose if I go through this whole season, from November to February for deer, and then through April for small game and turkey, without seeing a rattlesnake or cottonmouth, I might relax a bit more. :-) But then again, another slightly dangerous type of critter known to be in and around swamps is alligators, and when THEY bite you, they don't NEED venom. And if threatened by one, I don't even know where that quarter-sized spot is where a rifle shot can kill them (except that it's somewhere on the head)...miss that, all you do is make 'em mad. Thanks, --jim |
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| 07 Oct 2012 08:47 AM |
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I can deal with snakes as long as I know where they are. I've caught diamondbacks, and Mohave's with nothing but a belt when I was a kid. Remember the real skinny belts we used to wear? I'm originally from Tucson. With a rattlesnake. It will give you a warning that it's in your neighborhood. Most of the time. In the winter. Not so often. With a cottonmouth or water moccasin. It's more of a. Surprise!!!!  I've seen copperheads in the snow in Kansas when I was stationed there. It is spooky when you know there's one there. But, you have no idea exactly where. I'm not afraid of them. I respect them. Some people. Like my inlaws think I'm kinda off the rocker a little. I'll walk over to check the snake out. Then, if it's a safe snake. I'll pick it up. They don't care if it's safe or not. They won't have anything to do with it. I had one occasion when a 7 foot diamond back was in the weeds. That was spooky. Could hear the rattle. But, couldn't see it. Best thing to do is freeze, and back away from the sound. I obviously found it. It's a dead snake now. |
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| 07 Oct 2012 09:03 AM |
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Posted By bigrig on 07 Oct 2012 09:47 AM
I can deal with snakes as long as I know where they are. I've caught diamondbacks, and Mohave's with nothing but a belt when I was a kid. Remember the real skinny belts we used to wear? I'm originally from Tucson. With a rattlesnake. It will give you a warning that it's in your neighborhood. Most of the time. In the winter. Not so often. With a cottonmouth or water moccasin. It's more of a. Surprise!!!! I've seen copperheads in the snow in Kansas when I was stationed there. It is spooky when you know there's one there. But, you have no idea exactly where. I'm not afraid of them. I respect them. Some people. Like my inlaws think I'm kinda off the rocker a little. I'll walk over to check the snake out. Then, if it's a safe snake. I'll pick it up. They don't care if it's safe or not. They won't have anything to do with it. I had one occasion when a 7 foot diamond back was in the weeds. That was spooky. Could hear the rattle. But, couldn't see it. Best thing to do is freeze, and back away from the sound. I obviously found it. It's a dead snake now.
Yeah...while I'm out gathering intel on deer (and hog) movements, the only protection I'm allowed is the snake gaiters, but as soon as the general gun season starts, I'll have my .410 slung with a little improvised sling holster I made from something I got from some hospital visit for one of my cancers. Point is, I can attach this to my belt, and use a strong velcro loop on the other end to hold the shotgun on my right, so it takes the weight from my arm, and allows me to shoot from the hip with the barrel almost point-blank on the snake's head. It might make my right arm sore as hell, but if it kills the snake before it gets a chance to try its luck on me, I'll take it. Of course, the guy from the Jackson Guard office (they run the Eglin AFB public land, and he's out in the field regularly) told me that I'm far more likely to get a deer every day I'm out there than I am to see any snakes. Still, I'll believe it when I see it...maybe. :-) (On that whatever-it-is from the hospital, it's part of something else...no idea what that was, either.) Later, --jim |
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bigrig
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| 07 Oct 2012 09:13 AM |
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I'm inclined to agree that you'll kill more deer than you will see snakes. That's been my experience. Although, there was one occasion when I was in high school. A friend of mine and I ran into 6 snakes in one spot. They went from 3 to 7 feet in length. One of the diamondbacks almost got him. It almost got me too. The 12 ga. I was carrying did a pretty good job of taking its head off at close range. Now, I carry a pistol with snake shot in it. It does a pretty good job of eliminating them. |
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| 07 Oct 2012 09:35 AM |
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If I'm in the woods, I'm armed; period. |
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GTbrewer
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| 07 Oct 2012 09:45 AM |
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Posted By Steve on 07 Oct 2012 10:35 AM
If I'm in the woods, I'm armed; period.
If you're on the Eglin AFB public land with any kind of firearm outside of the legal season for that weapon (season on EGLIN, which may or may not match Fl law), you are in deep, DEEP trouble. Military bases don't tend to look too kindly on stuff like that. On Hurlburt Field (where I was working in Special Ops Intel), it would be even worse...but then, there is no public land on Hurlburt, so at the very least, you'd get jacked up (face down on the ground, one SF's knee in your back and 9mm to the back of your head, and another SF in front of you with an M-16 pointed directly at your head) and arrested...again, at the very least (how severe would depend on the current THREATCON...you might just get shot). Later, --jim |
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| 07 Oct 2012 09:54 AM |
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I've never heard a rattlesnake rattle, and I've run into tres beaucoup of them! Copperheads, don't travel alone, so if you see one it's not the one you have to worry about, and I've personally never seen one in water, although in the "varmints" forum there's a post from a guy about seeing them in a river. Cotton mouths and moccasins are so deadly that if they get you, you probably won't live long enough to make it out of the swamp, and coral snakes are even worse. I don't worry about the 'gators, you can usually see and hear them much easier than snakes. Also, GT, shoot 'gators where the "smile" ends and you'll kill 'em. Just be quick with getting it out and keep your mouth shut about killing it..........I can give you some skinning tips and some good recipes, if you do get one!   Speaking of snakes, a young kid that hunts with us was driving a pack of pups yesterday and a copperhead struck him. We could see the fang marks and the venom on his snake chaps. He shot it, but either it or one of it's buddies had struck one of the pups on the lip. Usually, young dogs will survive with just some swelling and a lot of thirst for a day or so, we're hoping that's the case this time. |
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| 07 Oct 2012 10:03 AM |
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Just FYI, GT is not my name (it's Jim). GT, in this case, stands for Graham's Tavern (my brewery, which doubles as my front
yard (on brew day), and my living room and/or kitchen (in or out of the lagering fridge) for fermenting, kegging, and serving
(from my keg fridge). :-)
Someone here might have GT as their initials, but it's not me. My usual username, Spooky (also Spooky130u---not sure if I
tried that one or not), was already taken when I created my account here).... And yes, there is a story behind how I got
the nickname Spooky (but that was a long time ago, and it's only by habit that I use it now). With that said, it's 1100, and
I really need to go and do the 1000 Advair.....
Later,
--jim
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rthomas4
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| 07 Oct 2012 11:12 AM |
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I'll usually use people's user name or an abbreviation of it, til I get to know 'em a little better. I didn't mean to have you think that I thought GT was your name, since you have always ended your posts with the "Later,--jim".
BTW, do you know how to put that in your signature line, if that's what you'd like it to be? |
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| 07 Oct 2012 11:18 AM |
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Posted By rthomas4 on 07 Oct 2012 12:12 PM
BTW, do you know how to put that in your signature line, if that's what you'd like it to be?
Yes. What I don't know is how to get it to show correctly. That's supposed to be: "Later," (or Thanks,) on one line, and " --jim" in the next. But editors like this assume that you didn't mean to show it as you typed it...that what you REALLY wanted was something completely different (I really need to re-phrase that so I can start it with "And now for"). :-) Later, --jim |
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bigrig
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| 07 Oct 2012 12:47 PM |
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rthomas: I've heard a few rattle. What will really get the hair to stand up on your back is when you hear a buzz, but, don't know exactly where its at. The buzz means your very close. maybe dangerously close. When you back away from it. The buzz will slow down until you hear like a ticking noise. Once your far enough away. The snake will stop rattling. I have seen people ( my wife one time) stand right over them. Luckily the snake was snoozing. I have almost stepped on them a couple times. A diamondback looks almost like a rock when its coiled up and snoozing. The good thing about a coral snake is the its mouth is so small the if it tries to bite. The only areait can actually get you is the web between your fingers. They have a nasty attitude also. Very aggressive. I had one trying to get at me one time in Bisbee,AZ. I changed my position 3 times on a rock I was on while glassing for deer. I finally pulled my pistol out and shot it. |
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| 07 Oct 2012 01:16 PM |
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Posted By GTbrewer on 07 Oct 2012 10:45 AM
Posted By Steve on 07 Oct 2012 10:35 AM
If I'm in the woods, I'm armed; period.
If you're on the Eglin AFB public land with any kind of firearm outside of the legal season for that weapon (season on EGLIN,
which may or may not match Fl law), you are in deep, DEEP trouble. Military bases don't tend to
Ah... yeah, I forgot about that minor detail about where you're gonna be... |
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| 07 Oct 2012 01:17 PM |
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Posted By bigrig on 07 Oct 2012 01:47 PM
rthomas: I've heard a few rattle. What will really get the hair to stand up on your back is when you hear a buzz, but, don't know exactly where its at. The buzz means your very close. maybe dangerously close. When you back away from it. The buzz will slow down until you hear like a ticking noise. Once your far enough away. The snake will stop rattling. I have seen people ( my wife one time) stand right over them. Luckily the snake was snoozing. I have almost stepped on them a couple times. A diamondback looks almost like a rock when its coiled up and snoozing. The good thing about a coral snake is the its mouth is so small the if it tries to bite. The only areait can actually get you is the web between your fingers. They have a nasty attitude also. Very aggressive. I had one trying to get at me one time in Bisbee,AZ. I changed my position 3 times on a rock I was on while glassing for deer. I finally pulled my pistol out and shot it.
I'm happy to say that, while coral snakes are no doubt around here, I've never heard them mentioned as part of the snake threat...just rattlesnakes (mostly diamondbacks) and cottonmouths (or water moccasins, if you prefer). And as for copperheads, everything I've read says that, with the exception of a small child (or puppy, as mentioned earlier in this or another thread), the venom is basically only strong enough to make an adult sick, not dead. Later, --jim |
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| 07 Oct 2012 01:28 PM |
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Posted By Steve on 07 Oct 2012 02:16 PM
Posted By GTbrewer on 07 Oct 2012 10:45 AM
Posted By Steve on 07 Oct 2012 10:35 AM
If I'm in the woods, I'm armed; period.
If you're on the Eglin AFB public land with any kind of firearm outside of the legal season for that weapon (season on EGLIN,
which may or may not match Fl law), you are in deep, DEEP trouble. Military bases don't tend to
Ah... yeah, I forgot about that minor detail about where you're gonna be...
I'm tempted to make this reply nothing but a dozen or so smileys..... But yeah, I've been around long enough to be used to that line of thought, and working in intel just re-enforced it...for example, after 11Sep01, when we were at THREATCON DELTA and later at CHARLIE+, every car was stopped at the checkpoint, and many were inspected. Everyone going through was facing a truck-mounted .50 cal pointed right at their heads until they were cleared. It's hard to forget that (or the reason why it was so very necessary). When the regs say you can ONLY be armed during the appropriate seasons for what you're armed with, people around here know not to challenge that. :-) Well, most people. I'd bet that the ones who moved into what was already stated as the flight path (on take-off) for the F-35s, and then complained and whined about the "noise" (they also didn't know what the phrase, "the sound of freedom" means), weren't smart enough to think about it.... Later, --jim EDIT: PS: Here where I live, I have jets from Eglin flying over all the time, as well as hearing bombing on the range frequently. I usually only notice it by casually wondering what they're bombing the hell out of that day (or night). When I lived on the island, I had sonic booms from time to time...you CAN'T fail to notice those, but they were just part of the daily norm..... Though sometimes, with the bombing, when a really, REALLY big one goes off, you react: "WHOA!!! THAT WAS A BIG ONE! I wonder which bomb that was....." |
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bigrig
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| 07 Oct 2012 01:37 PM |
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Well, thats good to know. I wasn't sure how dangerous they were. I had a drill sergent at Ft. Sill,Ok go completely nuts when I pulled a copperhead out of a hole while we were taking a break in training. I was called the crazy little f+++er  the rest of my time in basic. I stand 5'4". |
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GTbrewer
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| 07 Oct 2012 01:50 PM |
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Posted By bigrig on 07 Oct 2012 02:37 PM
Well, thats good to know. I wasn't sure how dangerous they were. I had a drill seargent at Ft. Sill,Ok go completely nuts when I pulled a copperhead out of a hole while we were taking a break in training. I was called the crazy little f+++er the rest of my time in basic. I stand 5'4".
Well, I probably would have called you that, too. Even knowing what I've read about them, I still wouldn't want to be struck by one, even if it would probably just make me sick. I don't like venomous snakes unless they're dead venomous snakes. Btw, I've sent an e-mail to a friend I made at the Jackson Guard office (they manage the Eglin public land) who is, along with working in the office, in the field frequently, exactly what the topo map was referring to, specific to that area. I'm hoping to get a reply as early as tomorrow. When I do, I'll post what he says here. If anyone wants to check out the area, pull up a topo map from, say, www.mytopo.com, and find the point where Alligator Creek and Turtle Creek meet (30-28-36.7N and 86-41-05.6W). Sorry about the units...I prefer decimal degrees, but had to set it to match the paper map showing the boundaries of different management units. With MyTopo, you can pull the area up as a topo map, and then switch it to an aerial view with one mouse click. Later, --jim |
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rthomas4
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| 08 Oct 2012 09:35 AM |
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Jim, you can go into "settings" and enter what you want for your signature line, then it will be separated from your post by a line running across the box, like below. |
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| 08 Oct 2012 09:41 AM |
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Posted By rthomas4 on 08 Oct 2012 10:35 AM
Jim, you can go into "settings" and enter what you want for your signature line, then it will be separated from your post by a line running across the box, like below.
I know...I just haven't bothered with putting a signature on here yet. Most of the time, with these forum type "editors", the spaces that are in my signatures that keep things aligned are all collapsed to one, and it looks horrible, so I usually just don't bother. Later, --jim |
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