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No personal attacks cent, just have to watch fox news for a day to have a different view than you on the direction things are going in. Most of the things the liberals think are great accomplishments of the current administration I do not. I'm not going to take the time to write down everything you said and go fact check it to take out the liberal spin, but for most people it is quite obvious that the path we are being taken down is not the path to prosperity.

I believe not to long ago that Shell and another oil company showed that they had done a 3 year environmental study and turned it in to YOUR EPA for approval and that has been 2 years know .Why dose it take so long to get an approval from them . Then how come out of 45 drilling permits applied for over a year ago did not get anything done on them .The oil companies had to take it to it go to court to force the EPA to act on them .If i remember the EPA is to act on them within 30 to45 days .

And as far as their credit card act all it done was increase interest on most cards .The two i had went from 9.6%and 14% to 29% rates .They are canceled know.My wife has one left for emergencies and it is the only one that didnt go up .So i guess that helped a lot of people .

Come on Holly, don't you know by now that the laws don't apply to this administration? They have been thumbing their noses at them from the day Bo took office!
     Cent , the fact is that Bush went through congress before we went into Iraq, and even though there is no ground force involved in the Gaddafi thing, in order to create a no fly zone (which I believe was the objective) it takes an air strike, which as we all know is an act of war!!!! What would have been the harm in going to congress with it??? Just another end-run around the laws of the land!!!!!

"Why" do we listen to the EPA as though they really have any legal authority? ALl they were established to do was to monitor polution and make advice to Congress that could then if it wanted to make policy or law based on EPA advice. But, as is so often the case, a gov't agency has grown out of its own bounds and continues fighting to feed like a vicious parasit. IGNORE the EPA!

Posted By swnoel on 30 Apr 2011 07:54 AM
Race of father was African... huuummmm, I believe Negro was the proper term back in 1961.

African is a continent not a race.... looks like a bunch of concocted BS to me.

And that my friends is where obama screwed up, weather it is real or forgery of a government document!

Obama's McCain resolution demands 'American' parents

Perhaps it's a good thing that the U.S. Senate didn't take up a resolution on Barack Obama's status as a "natural born Citizen" in 2008 - as members did for GOP candidate Sen. John McCain while both were seeking the U.S. presidency. The Democrat might not have qualified under the requirements the Senate, including Obama, a co-sponsor and then-senator, put in the resolution ...

Read the latest now on WND.com.

Once again, I get to thank you cent, for starting the topic!

Cent, no matter how you look at it, Obama is NOT eligible to be the POTUS!

Posted By centurian62 on 29 Apr 2011 07:55 PM
Rt, here goes:
-Expanded loan programs for Small Businesses
-Gave 95% of working Americans a tax cut
-Credit Card Bill of Rights
-Closed what is known as the "donut hole" in the Medicare prescription drug plan
-Health Care Reform including the provision that does not let insurers deny or discontinue coverage for a pre-existing condition and takes the caps off of lifetime benefits
-Increased the VA Budget and fully funded the VA
-Expanded VA "Centers of Excellence" in specialty care
-Ended the war in Iraq
-Repealed "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
-Increased funding for National Parks and Forests
-Increased access for hunters and fisherman to land through the Open Fields Incentive program
-etc, etc, etc.

Now Holly, I can see you are ignorant when it comes to corporate tax rates, so you may want to do some research on the difference between corporate and personal tax rates.

As for the claim about jobs/unemployment, the Obama administration has seen more jobs created in the last 12 months than Bush saw during his 2 terms. As for unemployment, it peaked at 10.2% nationally in October of 2009 and is now at 8.8% for March, so obviously we are coming out of the woods. While I agree that we're not back to the 4.9% level of January of 2008, things are improving.

As for the "war with Gaddafi, I would really enjoy a descriptive explanation on how this is the same as the Iraq war. Please include how the U.N. resolution to attack Iraq which included a ground force invasion and the Arab League endorsement for actions against Hussein.

First off, Damn, I actually got the quote thingy to work, only I couldn't get it to stop where I wanted it to.

Expandsion of loan programs to small business........ie minority owned business, not all small business.
Gave 95% of working Americans a tax cut................A compromise with the GOP, not what Obama wanted.
Credit card bill of rights............................................eliminated the 7 year expiration of disputed and charged off debt.
Closed what is known as the "donut hole" in the  Medicare prescription plan.......increased the costs of deductables.
Health care........................We don't know what the results of that one will be when it is all said and done.
VA care, etc.......................With proposed cuts to the DOD, most of the funding for those projects will dissapear.
Ended the war in Iraq.........tell that to all of the troops who are overthere, especially the ones who are still dying.
Repealed "don't ask, don't tell.........I was under the impression the DOD with congressional approval did this.
The last two............. prompted by Republican actions in major states that were impacted.  Promoted by the NRA, NWTF, NWEF, and the congressional hunters caucus, and other hunter organizations.  Actions that were originally promoted by Bush, that the Dems. under Reid and Pelosi refused to let have access to the floor for debate.

Oh yeah, the jobs/unemployment figures aren't realistic, due to the fact that most of those were jobs that suffered lay-offs, and have now been reactivated, primarily within government and government services, along with union participation in DNC controlled parts of the country. ( Down South we still have double digit unemployment as high as 18%). So, where in actuality is the improvement?

"war with Gaddafi"  just as stated, a UN resolution with Arab League endorsement, against someone the other Arab countries are afraid of.  The UN didn't go against the US with the invasion of Iraq, the UN actually supplied troops and intel about the WMDs ( which Saddam had time to ship out of the country and into Syria prior to the invasion).  Even the Dems supported Bush and Congress granted the LEGAL military actions, unlike Libya!!!!!!!!

So, cent, other than spinning the liberal line, you haven't produced anything truly relevant and actual about Obama's term so far.

I rest my case!

I heard on the radio yesterday while smithing (think it was Bortz show) that the Fed Res has printed MORE money in these past 2 years than in ALL previous years to the begining of the country. How on earth do we expect to get out of this mess??? Cent, you have in the past shown that you have some intelligence regarding financial issues. So, are you really happy to see the future your vote and Obama has created for your children? I know I see impending disaster and fret ove the results speeding toward us.

I have one more thing to add to that list:

-Did what Bush couldn't do and avenged the death of those killed on 9-11 by ordering the killing of the mastermind of the attacks on 9-11 pretty much securing his re-election in 2012 and proving that he is not "soft on terror."

As for the rest of what you have disputed, I understand that since you don't like Obama or Democrats, you will never be able to see any positives in what he has done/is doing because it goes against the very nature of what you believe (no matter how ignorant it is). While the "direction" of this country isn't what you want, the direction Bush took this country in was horrid and I'm glad that Obama has not given up on or broken the vast majority of his campaign promises.

Cent, re Bush spending, I was "out-raged" just like you. Now, you should be ablsolutly ballistic with this record spending, correct?

Re positives, help me out here, did you ever point out Bush's positives?

oops 8 months after he knew where he was.How long ago did Oboma start his reelection campain.You can't bul{1}**** a bullshitter.Nice try.

If Obama had his way he would have also got cap & trade passed. In watching Modern Marvels last night they were showing all the advances in technology on wind power, solar power, cold fusion, nuclear power, electric cars, and hydrogen powerd car. Yes, oil & coal are a finite resource, how long before it is depleted is questionable. Some say in few as 20 - 40 yrs. The point I'm coming to is we already have companys devolping new ideas & tech. so what is the real motive behind cap & trade? Want govt. to have more controll over us? Bush spending, Obama spending who cares who is at fault we just want wasteful spending from all sides to stop. I read a joke yesterday, That when Nasa found that an ink pen wouldn't work in space that they spent billions in devoloping a pen that would work anywhere, under water, upside down, etc. The Soviets used a pencil.

Obama wanted cap-n-trade, but even his Dems would not pass that when they had the super-majority. He wanted full one-payer socialized medicine but even his Dems could not bring themselves to pass that when they had the super-majority. He would not mind at all banning all guns but even his Dems know that is political suicide. He would love to have spent triple what he already has but even is Dems realize finally that they already have wiped out all the budgets for the coming generation so they have put the brakes on him. Bush ordered the hunting down of Osama. It just did not happen under his watch and he happened to finally get located where nobody expected him recently not based on Obama's brilliance but by our military intelligence. The only credit Osama CAN legitimately claim is to say that when he was told in August that Osama may be deeper in P-stan than though he told them to get him. Good for him, that was the right call.

Is tis the 1st military action that a Democrat has presided over that went 100% well since Truman? Hmm, maybe Oby1 really is some sort of change we can believe in. Oh well, it helps him divert attention from his spectacular failure in Libya for a week or so.

Thank God Obama broke his closing Gitmo campaign promise or we never would have gotten the intelligence to get Osama. The anti-terror policies Bush put in place that the liberals still fight against, the CIA, and the SEAL team are what made this day great, not anything Obama came up with. All he did was continue what Bush started, give the green light on this operation, and I do thank him for that.

I will agree! The decision to approve the SEAL mission, is the one and only positive action to come from the White House and Obama! It's about time, and I congratulate him for actually listening to his military advisors and letting them proceed with the succesful attack. Now, he just needs to turn the military loose on Pakistan, because their officials had to know that Bin Laden was in their country. I wonder how much of the military and medical aid the US has been providing the Pakistanis has ended up going to Al Quaeda?

Posted By GAW on 02 May 2011 06:48 AM
Cent, re Bush spending, I was "out-raged" just like you. Now, you should be ablsolutly ballistic with this record spending, correct?

Re positives, help me out here, did you ever point out Bush's positives?

I don't recall, but I'd be glad to:

-His resolve (after leaving the school, which was sketchy to say the least) on 9/11 and his speech was fantastic.
-His invasion of Afghanistan, but not Iraq
-Admitting that "Mission Accomplished" was a mistake
-Bowing out of the Presidency with grace and dignity after his lame duck term
-Teaching future generations how important it is to vote.

As for policies, I have none. 

Huh? You mean you disagree with the bank bail-outs that all the Conservatives blasted Bush about while Obama praised him and then made Bush's measly 300 or so billion dollar bail-out look like an ant's pocketbook compared to an elephant's? Surely you admire Bush for spending like crazy and destroying the support he had with Conservatives.

Cent, I gotta tell ya, Bro, "they" go you where they want you......

Looks like it has finally made it to court.

http://www.examiner.com/article/sup...-documents