Jscrimager
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| 26 Oct 2010 04:01 PM |
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NAHC is a company first and a club second. I work in the construction trade where contracts and scope of work (Same as Terms of service) are vital to doing business in this era of lawsuits. I am a life member and rarely post to any of the boards unless I have a question that is beyond anything I have experience with. I do have a problem with member complaints being deleted. Complaints about service should always be avaiable to all members for them to decide if they themselves are having the same problem. I paid for this service for a lifetime, and as it seems older members get left behind to fund newer members and there payments. Just my opinion. Jerry S. |
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JJBULL
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| 02 Nov 2010 06:49 PM |
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Jerry, I see plenty of member complaints everytime I come to the forum. I wasn't aware of any being deleted though (not since the new format anyway).
What has been deleted lately that you are aware of? I noticed someone a few months ago with this same complaint and turns out his post was just moved down the posting list over time because no one had responded to him. |
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Give me the simple life; An AK-47, a good guard dog and a nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store.
NAHC Member 1988, Life Member 1990, Trophy Life Member 2009...post count is meaningless!! |
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myjazzie
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| 04 Nov 2010 08:27 AM |
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the main problem I have with the club is that they always have articles and tv shows about hunting on big ranches or with outfitters. I ,as a former working man, can't afford to go to these places to hunt especially now that I am retired. hell Obama didn't even give me a raise this year and not again next year. I think that they should have a contest where you can go on a hunt with them all expenses paid, and have one for all different animals, you pick which one you would like to try for. then if you are successful you can't enter again for a specified number of years. I think that this should only be for life or trophy members though. we put up the money we should get something besides a preview of a new knife or a gaudy jacket. or at least have stuff that shows real hunts where they have to scout the terrain and find a good place to hunt like the rest of us. I also almost puked when Weishun complained about how hard he had it having to go to all these places to hunt for free. actually on our dime. I would love to go moose hunting in alaska or elk hunting in montana but I can't afford it. I am just a regular former factory worker. |
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rthomas4
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| 04 Nov 2010 08:40 AM |
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myjazzie, That was similar to the concept of the club when it was first started by the Burkes. Unfortunately, all of the money paid by the members only goes to pay for the businessmen who run the organization to go hunting. The life member hunts are so overpriced, that most of us, who are like you and on fixed incomes will never be able to afford any of these hunts. Hell, I can't afford to purchase any of the cheap Chinese junk they send out for preview, much less 5 or 6 thousand for a hunt. |
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Jscrimager
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| 04 Nov 2010 04:34 PM |
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I have no knowledge of any postings being deleted. I was just responding to the updated terms of service list of not allowed items. Then again if forums are moderated, the post or complaint will never reach the forums, and we as members have no voice. Jerry Scrimager.
| 10 Feb 2010 09:12 AM |
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In a continuing effort to improve the North American Hunting Club forums, we have updated our Terms of Service. Please take a moment to review it.
Effective immediately we will be moderating the forums and removing posts that contain:
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- Harassment or abuse of others
- Membership complaints **************
- Copyright infringement
- Unauthorized advertising or spam
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Shootin'J
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| 05 Nov 2010 12:49 PM |
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Posted By rthomas4 on 04 Nov 2010 09:40 AM
myjazzie, That was similar to the concept of the club when it was first started by the Burkes. Unfortunately, all of the money paid by the members only goes to pay for the businessmen who run the organization to go hunting. The life member hunts are so overpriced, that most of us, who are like you and on fixed incomes will never be able to afford any of these hunts. Hell, I can't afford to purchase any of the cheap Chinese junk they send out for preview, much less 5 or 6 thousand for a hunt. At 5-6 grand for a hunt, there better be human man on woman sex included! LOL I can do 50-60 or more local hunts on that amount of cash. That's good for at least 7-10 years hunting expenses. |
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holly
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| 05 Nov 2010 06:22 PM |
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DO not say how i feel about some things because i dont want to be suspended or deleted . Seen to many good guys get it for speaking thier mind And some that did not need to get suspended . SOME HERE KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT |
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myjazzie
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| 08 Nov 2010 08:01 AM |
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If anyone gets suspended or their posting gets deleted then I feel they should get a refund of the money they spent for their membership. and I mean ALL of their money. I thought forums were for the purpose of people expressing their opinions. after all don't we live in the country where I fought for the right to speak your mind?????? If they want to have people happy and not complaining then perhaps they should listen to the people, and not do like the democrats did and think they know better. the way I look at it, I didn't put up the money for some other guy to go to exotic places and say look at me having the hunt that you can only dream about. If they can send these few people all over the place why can't they take the money they spend for these hunts, which is probably free just to put the outfitters name on the show, and let some of us experience it. |
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holly
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| 08 Nov 2010 09:49 AM |
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Been said be for |
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rthomas4
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| 08 Nov 2010 10:42 AM |
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When a member is suspended from the forums, he still gets the mag, and is still considered a member in "good standing", he just can't post on the board, until the suspension is over. Deletions are just that, deletions; and there isn't anything one can do, except re-post and try to re- word it so that it doesn't get deleted. Remember, this is a coporation run by a mangement group, the title of the corp. just happens to be the NAHC, and we "members" are just paying customers, with no say, no input, and no benefits other than the magazine and the boards.   Way back in the mid-70's when the NAHC was organized, it truly was a club, and the Burkes actually appreciated our input and advise on things we wanted to see, and do. That has long been gone.  |
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| NRA LM, NAHC LM, Buckmasters LM, Second Amendment Foundation, GOA, NAGR, Palmetto Gun Rights, DU, NWTF, QDMA, Everyday Hunter,OYOA, ASAdspalliance,D& DH, and PROUD SC redneck REBEL for life. If the South had won the war, Obama wouldn't be in the White House. |
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Shootin'J
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| 10 Nov 2010 08:43 AM |
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Posted By Jscrimager on 04 Nov 2010 05:34 PM
I have no knowledge of any postings being deleted. I was just responding to the updated terms of service list of not allowed items. Then again if forums are moderated, the post or complaint will never reach the forums, and we as members have no voice. Jerry Scrimager.
| 10 Feb 2010 09:12 AM |
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In a continuing effort to improve the North American Hunting Club forums, we have updated our Terms of Service. Please take a moment to review it.
Effective immediately we will be moderating the forums and removing posts that contain:
- Offensive or derogatory language
- Harassment or abuse of others
- Membership complaints **************
- Copyright infringement
- Unauthorized advertising or spam
… or otherwise conflict with our Terms of Service. | Wait a minute webbie!! You listed these updates in membership that will be effective "IMMEDIATELY" and I steer to one specific update . ............-Membership Complaints***************........... You obviousely haven't taken a look in the past year and addressed this exact topic. I can guarantee you that you (The administrators) can and will never address or stop the complaints from being posted. Simply because the topic in itself is a double standard that "The club offers and has put into place as A MEMBERS RIGHT, simply because you (The administrators) have created the forums for the members to express those rights. The complaints are plastered all over numberous forums as to the lack of "Support" on behalf of "THE CLUB". (Again, that's you guys, the administrators.) Granted that there are alot of (Newer) members out there that obviousely joined for the wrong reasons, ( And I'll give you that one, as I and other members are sick of reading their "Complaints") "The Club" has, and probably will not do much of anything to cure the overwhelming amount of complaints that we, the members, will come across as we try to enjoy the simplicity of just trying to "Talk hunting" on the forums. You need to update your update and recind that far-fetched statement that "Membership Complaints will be removed".. The new "Terms Of Service" guidelines are writing checks that the administrators will never be able to cash. This is just my honest input. |
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Topgun 30-06
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| 10 Nov 2010 06:16 PM |
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Good post Sarge!!!
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LSCHILLINGER
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| 10 Nov 2010 08:10 PM |
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After reading these post, I have to agree. I have been a life member for a lot of years. When I joined, I joined as a life member. Sometimes I find myself wondering why I did. Everyone is right. This is not a club, it is a for profit corporation. Recently, I received a package wanting me to upgraded my membership. Their recruiting method is that if I had upgraded I would receive testing products more often and of more value. Needless to say, they had me thinking about it, but in the end the material found the circular file. I have to say that I have received items to test, some good and some not.
I too received books, one phone call and that stopped. What I receive now, are offers to purchase different items. It each of us to report any problem that occurs, on-line and off-line.
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myjazzie
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| 13 Nov 2010 10:01 AM |
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the thing that gets me is that they lure you in to upgrading to life member then trophy member saying that you will get "exclusive" life or trophy member things like forums etc.. but when you upgrade you find that everyone has the same things. Like I upgraded to trophy member so that I could " have a say in how the club is run and changes for the future of the club." But all I find in that tab is the review of the articles in the magazine. How does that affect how the club is run and affect the future of the club. Also, where is the exclusive trophy members only rooms and forums. I can't seem to find them? |
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Shootin'J
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| 13 Nov 2010 12:52 PM |
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myjazzie, the upgrade to trophy member benefits that you get above and beyond the other levels of membership is that you get a whole new package of empty promises, and alot more nothing than you did before to be content with. LUCKY YOU! I don't care what level membership the folks care to be at, all one really gets out of this (Club) is the initial trinkets, the mags, and the use of this BB, which is good enough for me. The club could and will never give me what I expected when I joined. It's the members that give me what the club boasts they have to offer. That is the unending volumes of knowledge from every member that contributes and believes in the commodery of us hunters. If I were to take 1 dollar and send it to every member that stands behind this support and strength in hunting, I would have well exceeded the full dues of multiple life memberships already. And I have only been a member for just over 1 year. You want expert knowledge in hunting? This (BB) is the place to be. You want trinkets? I can't and the "CLUB" won't help you there. Give it time and you will see what I mean as you surf through the forums. Take care, have fun. |
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Earl P
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| 17 Nov 2010 10:19 PM |
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I agree with your that it is unjust to remove the right of members to complain in the forums. This however does not prevent you from writing letters to the staff directly. The arbitrary removal of member complaints without member input is totally uncalled for in my opinion! In a true club members have a voice in the matters of their club, how it is organized, and how it conducts business. The "NAHC" is not a club as you have suggested, it is a corporation. In any forum there should be rules but to gag the voice of the "club's" members because it does not like what it is hearing is totally uncalled for. It would go a long way if managment would redefine actually what they mean by no complaints! It seems to me that perhaps c"club" management does not want non-members reading about our concerns. After-all they may not joining the club and thus reduce the cash flow to the administrators for their hunts.
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rthomas4
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| 18 Nov 2010 12:01 PM |
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Many of us feel that non-members shouldn't be allowed to read any of the forums in the first place! That would defintely eliminate the Corporations concerns over drafting new suckers, err, I mean members! |
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| NRA LM, NAHC LM, Buckmasters LM, Second Amendment Foundation, GOA, NAGR, Palmetto Gun Rights, DU, NWTF, QDMA, Everyday Hunter,OYOA, ASAdspalliance,D& DH, and PROUD SC redneck REBEL for life. If the South had won the war, Obama wouldn't be in the White House. |
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Gamemaster 760
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| 18 Nov 2010 12:39 PM |
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Hi all I am respectfully rescind my Life Membership application to the NAHC It’s not what I was looking for in a club Paul Finegan (gamemaster 760) Thank you |
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mwilliams32
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| 22 Nov 2010 11:46 PM |
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I have a problem that I'm hoping SOMEONE can help me out with.I joined this club -- company as I''ve heard it refered to for the fun of it.I mean it really does feed the big kid in me in alot of ways.Since my retirement I HUNT...alot.
When I first joined I was promised a set of skinning knives as a PERK FOR JOINING.This was several months ago now mind you.....
I went for the two year agreement...I've been aware of this clubs existance for some years and thought I'd be great to finally get involved.I enjoy the magazine,entering the contests....yet to win anything but I keep plugging......all in all it's just fun to be a part of.YET....there's that skinning knife thing that keeps haunting me.....as petty as it may seem....and where's some sort of customer relations?Something?Sadder yet....my wife feels life member is the way to go.As I said.It's fun being involved and would as soon just pay the fee all up front rather than steatch it out,but how can I trust these people to make good their agreement on a life membership when I'm being forgotten about (my knives) on a two year membership.
Can anyone give up some feed back that could be constructive?It would be deeply appreciated |
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rthomas4
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| 23 Nov 2010 10:40 AM |
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You can not depend on the company for anything, except that your magazines will come on time ( unless you have a mailman like mine), and access to the site. The true benefit of paying the company fee, is the enjoyment of the board, and the forums! |
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| NRA LM, NAHC LM, Buckmasters LM, Second Amendment Foundation, GOA, NAGR, Palmetto Gun Rights, DU, NWTF, QDMA, Everyday Hunter,OYOA, ASAdspalliance,D& DH, and PROUD SC redneck REBEL for life. If the South had won the war, Obama wouldn't be in the White House. |
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