Hunting Forum

7MM
I too am a paid life member...and I believe that you are correct. My statements will probably do no good and this thread will probably be deleted. But hey I felt the urge to get it off my chest...

Back when the NAHC was first organized by Steve and Paul Burke, we actually were a club, and had a feeling of belonging. Unfortunately when they sold the organization, the focus and drive was diverted from a true hunting club, into a financial investment. Now after several changes of hands, the original identity of the NAHC is no longer that of a club, but more of a Wall Street Financial Investment that benefits who knows who!! The leadership is comprised of a group of board members, who determine club policies, and leadership. Bill Miller is just a paid employee, with no real power or clout, and he is probably like the majority of Americans today, who wonder if they will have a job tomorrow.

All of the solicitations, unwanted mailing of items, creation of more levels of membership, as well as the censorship of the boards, have created an atmosphere that certainly does not make one feel that they belong to a club, but instead are mere monetary sources for some group of board members to get rich off of. Sort of like Congress!

Those of us who were around from the beginning, don't even recognize this organization as being what we were Charter Members of, much less the fact that we once were an actual club with interest in promoting hunting, and the enjoyment of sharing each other's hunting experiences. As one of the members who doesn't practice PC on the boards, I am constantly amazed that (so far) I have managed to remain, with only warnings from the "powers that be", I wouldn't be surprised to get a temporary banning anytime, since I do tend to be critical of the organization most of the time.

Just remember, there are many folks who belong to this organization and contribute to the boards on a daily basis. This is where the value of membership can best be derived today, and even though many are critical of the magazine, it's still a great value when you compare it to a lot of the other publications that are out there today!

rthomas,..

So true,.. that's why I made the comment in my post " The original thought of the club was lost years ago,.."

I was here when the Burke's established this CLUB,.. only to watch it,.. and many of the things we all back then hoped for would emerge just vanish before our very eyes over time.

Such a shame it all turned out like it did,..

maybe they took lessons from Bell,Ca. or more likely vice-versa

Looks like a duck talks like a duck. Must b true what y'all wrote. Bcause the last post was in oct of last year. Guess our right to free speech does not apply here

Looks like a duck talks like a duck. Must b true what y'all wrote. Bcause the last post was in oct of last year. Guess our right to free speech does not apply here . Boy was I misled along with all other new members.

If you don't like it you can always leave and reduce your blood pressure.

Stalker and 7mm Magnum put it perfectly. I am a member since 2008, Life Member since 2009, a relative newcomer. I think I have made a few dozen posts, not that it really matters. It must have been one of their "upgrades" that required me to establish a new password, etc. which makes it appear that I have only posted in the past two weeks. At any rate, I agree that the real value of the "club" is in this forum. I have gained much valuable information, enjoyed great stories, and hopefully have passed on something valuable myself. The real Clubs are your local rod and gun clubs, the NRA, SCI, NSSF, NWTF, RMEF, DU, TU, etc. None are perfect, but how can they be when all are run by people? If we all try to understand that we are all just people with all of our various faults, we can get through life much better, I think. See, there is some more opinion. Good hunting, from Maine

Surry hunter I totaly agree with your whole stament, and yah I had the same thing happen, I had to redo my whole profile and start at sq one all over again. The way I understand it is that NAHC was close to a real club in the 70's when it was founded but was severly commertialzed after its sale to the now north american membership group. What it is is what it is, thake what you can get and learn what you can for the many knowlageable members here. Many members have found new hunting buddies that really work out for them and others not so well but hay whatcha gonna do.

Posted By 7mm Magnum on 29 Aug 2010 05:29 PM

Posted By H2O Elkaholic on 28 Aug 2010 11:32 PM

Terry,
Wasn't pickin on leetrumbull!  He's  a member, same as you and me, he can travel what ever road or trail he chooses!  Hell he might be out here huntin Wapiti one time with you and me?

Dean
H2O Elkaholic

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Dean,... I wasn't directing my commentary towards you,.. but to this which WAS directed to you,...

Posted By leetrumbull on 20 Aug 2010 11:07 AM
What we don't need is a trouble maker!


This was at one time a great bulletin board for the membership to come visit and maintain contact with a variety of other members,.. many have which have parted due to a plethora of reasons. The main one in my eyes is the continuing revamping of the website that we all use here. Unfortunatly each one of their "upgrades" and their continuing to edit and delete posts made by us the more of us have chosen to leave here. All the cumulitive information that was at one time flourishing has vanished as well. There were so many posts by plenty of seasoned hunters that were lost during each one of their upgrades,.. reams of good information for any new hunter who had decided to join this membership have been deleted or unable to be transformed from the older server to the newer one. It's a shame,..corporation doesn't seem to care,.. the only thing they care about is the recruitment of new members to increase their income,.. and that seems to be ALL they care about.

I know I don't frequent here as often as I once did,.. we've already lost quite a few good people from the past 2 upgrades. 

"There's room for all of Gods creatures,.. right next to the taters' n' gravy! " / Shoot Straight & Stay Safe! / Terry Webster / RMEF-Supporting Member / NRA- LM / NAHC-LM / NAFC-LM / Michigan Sportsmans Assc. / Michigan Steelheaders / US Army Nam' Vet SGT. 70-72 1/327/101 AB

Terry
aka: 7mm Magnum

I think that leetrumbulls' post, that is no longer here, (reflecteted in 7mm Magnums' post above.) says it best!  It's not about senoirity or # of post.  It's about information lost!

And  the Club doesn't listen.  Like the new trophy membership.  If ya pay more, they will pretend to listen.  I payed my dues the first time around, I'm not paying more now!!!  If they had managed their busyness right, they would have listened to the members years ago and not had to up the fees for them to to pretend to listen now!

JMO
Dean
H2O Elkaholic

It says it all in the name of the website, huntingclub.COM. If it were a true club which are usually run as not for profit, it would be huntingclub.ORG

All you have to do to know that the "leaders" of this fine "Club" have lost touch with us, the people who actually are the club, is to read the "Updated Terms of Service" post from Feb, 2010. I happen to agree with most of what it says. There are, however, two glaring problems: 1. stating that comments containing "Membership Complaints" will be deleted and 2. locking the thread so none of us can comment on it directly.

It has already been said and repeated, but it bears mentioning again: WE ARE THE REAL VALUE OF BEING A MEMBER OF THIS CLUB/COMPANY. The magazine is mediocre, at best, and the staff, with few exceptions, are not worth meeting. Small story to illustrate my feeling on this: I happened to notice from a picture in an article in the magazine that one of the higher-level contributors/staffers lives in the same county I do. Just to satisfy my own curiosity, I looked them up and they are listed my local phone book. Would you care to guess how many times I have thought about it while I am out wandering around my VERY sparsely populated town where you eventually run into everyone? Not one time.

I do not remember the dates specifically, but I was an annual member for a couple years in the early 90's, became a Life Member as soon as I could, and at some point I (sadly, and for reasons I am unable to explain) I became a Trophy Life Member. You guys, the other members of this club/company, are worth every penny that I have shelled out and every bul{1}**** "gift" I have had to return or pay for when I did not get it returned quickly enough. You are all a wealth of information on nearly every topic in nearly every location. If it was not for all of you, I would have done what ever I need to do to have my membership canceled the first time I got a "e-newsletter" that was all about trying to get me to buy something I had absolutely need/interest in rather than giving information about haw to be a better/more knowledgeable hunter.

Thus endeth the sermon,
Jason

well as far as I am concerned, I will not renew my membership unless some changes are made. I also think that the so called Pro's who are on staff (kyser, weyshun sorry for the misspelling) need to speak up considering that thier names are attached to the NAHC, but who knows thier paychecks might interfer with that. I'm glad bill has gotten three bucks this year, just wish he put more attetion to the member satisfaction, truely a disappointment.

I have repetedly made comment to bill miller through the myspace page, and he has reponded back, and yes with that form letter responce, and to the club in general, that mr miller needs to spend more time listening to the membership and take a couple less hunts paid for by those of us that probly will never be able to afford to go on hunts like that.
I wouldnt and learned not to hold your breath waiting for them to change because it just isnt going to happen.
A big reason that I dont come here much anymore and spend more time on my own site.

The great white hunter, Bill Miller only managed to kill 3 bucks????? Hell, I killed 6 bucks and a doe, myself; and I can't afford to go anywhere special to hunt. I killed 4 of my 7 deer within 500 yards of my back door, and the other 3 were all killed less than 10 miles from my house!!!!!!!

well common rt, you dont expect billy to give up his very expencive box hunts do you, because I am really beginning to feel the way this place is run they are not free range hunts lol. He probly dosent even know what it means to just go if he isnt going to make money and not have to spend his own. God I hope jim shokey isnt putting his well known name in with this place anymore, these poor guys are getting used big time as a promotional tool. that is something you would expect from T/C or hevi shot, real tree so on and so forth. So if the club is paying these guys than we are the fools and they are the sell outs.
Sorry I am just at the point that this place is a cash cow that I am ready to have no afilliation with. I just sent the club a nice letter on the issues of members that do the test program the way that the club outlines and get squat and some of the other lagit issues that have been mentioned over the last year or so. this will tell if the club actually cares and I will stick around or go anti NAHC/NAMG.

Hello, hello!  Is the club listening?  Hello Peggy are you there?

Even as a business you should be listening!  NAHC, WHAT?, are you doing to adress the concerns?

Dean
H2O
Elkaholic
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After reading all these 'complaints' and references to the "terms of service'.
Thought I should read 'em for the first time.
Oh man do you ever sign your life away if you join this operation!
Sure am glad I never gave them access to my credit card and paid direct instead.
They'd of bankrupted me much sooner than I ever could with my own wild spending
sprees.
And to think we as members are NOT allowed to complain about the club.  Wonder
what brought them to insert 'that' section to the rules n regs of this place.
How would you like to work for an org that you couldn't complain about??
I sure wouldn't last long that's for sure.
Wish you all the best and hope you enjoy these forums & the mags as that seems to
be the only thing we'll ever get for our dues. Nope, this is not a complaint, just the facts
as I see it. As 'they' say, everything posted under our passwords is only our own opinion.
George

Interesting thread. I was pleasantly surprised about a month ago when I received a DVD from the NRA, and in their letter they said that since I hadn't ordered it I didn't have to send it back. They also included a postage paid envelope in case I did want to send it back. I was more than happy to send it back since they didn't use the hard sell tactics.   

Posted By jehlers2 on 04 Apr 2012 12:41 AM
Interesting thread. I was pleasantly surprised about a month ago when I received a DVD from the NRA, and in their letter they said that since I hadn't ordered it I didn't have to send it back. They also included a postage paid envelope in case I did want to send it back. I was more than happy to send it back since they didn't use the hard sell tactics.   

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My wife got a DVD from the NRA about concealed carry., but they did not include a return envelope with postage paid and it said she could keep it even if she did not pay for it. So I just forgot about it, then they sent another bill for it, so I called them. The woman said to just keep it and I told her to never send anything else that we did not order. The NAHC tried that quite a while back and now they do not send me anything I do not order. I am a Life Member of the NRA and do support them as much as I can.