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Handguns for deer?
Last Post 06 Dec 2012 07:41 PM by GLW. 44 Replies. |
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grey-wolf
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| 10 Sep 2012 06:26 PM |
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Ok, my duck gun hunt is over and now i'm off to find a Handgun for deer. I've been out of the hunting loop for quite awhile and am ready to start getting back on scene. Let me give you a little insight of the areas I will be hunting and probably max distances i'd be shooting.
A friend of mine owns the property which is mostly river bottom. Old trees, new trees, and some brush. I was kicking around down there with him looking for some spots to hang his deer stands so I got a pretty decent look at it. I would guess my longest shot to be a max of 60yds. Most other areas in the bottom would allow for 40 or 50 yard shots.
The second area would have to only cover maybe 25 acers. It's kinda weird because it's maybe 75yds wide and the rest is made up in length. There is powerlines to the left, and a farmer puts in crops to the right with hardwoods at the back of the property and the other side of the powerlines. Some spots you can shoot the width of her property so I would say 75yds would be max distance. I'm not saying I would take a 75yd shot shot though.
I would preferr to keep my shots 50yds or less if possible, but if a big ole boy or a fat doe showed at 75yds and my skill would allow it I would take the shot. So heres what i'm looking at.
Ruger GP100 in .357mag
Super Redhawk in .44mag
TC G2 in either caliber
I have taken one deer with a borrowed handgun in .357mag and had good results. 40 yd shot and the deer went about 60 or so yards. At the distances I will be shooting (50yds or so) will the .357 with 180 grainers do the job well enough as long as I do my part. Also what do you think about the Federal Fusion 158 grain rounds? Or do you think I should just buck up and go with the 44mag. Thanks for any help on this.
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Shiloh
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| 11 Sep 2012 09:39 AM |
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.44 Mag. |
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TGJ
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| 11 Sep 2012 10:09 AM |
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If you can shoot a 44 well that is the better choice. |
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dk99300
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| 11 Sep 2012 03:14 PM |
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357 will work but 44 will do it better. Also, if I ever buy another revolver strictly for hunting, it will be single action. I rarely shoot my Redhawk in double action.
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cayugad
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| 11 Sep 2012 07:46 PM |
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Both will work, I have hunted deer with both calibers. But the .44 magnum hands down stops deer better. Place the bullet well and they do not run far if at all. I use a .44 magnum Ruger Redhawk with the 7-1/2 barrel and would recommend that revolver. The Super Redhawk my friend owns, (after he shot my Redhawk) and that is one smooth revolver to shoot. |
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ahoffman2
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| 11 Sep 2012 08:37 PM |
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Shot a few with my .357. Don't like trackin'! Ain't never had to track with my .44 Blackhawk. I don't reccomend the .357, if ya don't like trackin'! |
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rthomas4
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| 12 Sep 2012 08:19 AM |
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I've killed a few with a .357, and never had to track any of them. These days I prefer my Redhawk .44 mag. with the 7 1/2" barrel. Absolutely no tracking if they're hit right!! |
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grey-wolf
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| 12 Sep 2012 01:51 PM |
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Ok, looks like the .44 mag has it. Who makes a good handgun scope that wont break the bank? I have a Ultra dot red dot on my Browning and love it, do you think a red dot will hold up to the recoil a .44 mag produces? |
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Shiloh
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| 12 Sep 2012 02:07 PM |
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An Ampoint for sure will but there are several red-dots out there that will work. I saw a guy a couple of yrs back using a 7.5" barrel Super Redhawk topped with a BSA red-dot scope and he was doing just fine. That scope probably ran him $70-$90. My 9.5" SRH is topped with a 2x20mmEER Nikon and I like it. It is not a red-dot but is easy to see even in low light and is crystal clear. Cost me less than $200 when I got it about 12 yrs ago but that model today is up around $275 I think last I checked. |
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JV64
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| 12 Sep 2012 08:08 PM |
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Don't forget the G2! This way you are not as limited on what caliber to use. I shot the G2 in 35 Rem and it works very well an looks good! Let's face it you not only want to shoot well but look even better doing it!! |
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Big Dawg
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| 13 Sep 2012 08:58 AM |
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I have and still use the .44 mag for the last 10 years and I have not lost one deer or hog as of yet. I have the Ruger Super Blackhawk customized by Gary Reeder ( http://reedercustomguns.com ) and is listed as the Kodiak Magnum on his site. It has a 7-1/2" target barrel and 5 shot cylinder for shooting the +P and +P+ ammo. It also has a Bushnell 3X9 rifle scope mounted on it and it works great and I check the zero every year before hunting seaon and I have only has to make new adjustments to it once since getting it from Mr. Reeder. I use the Hornady ammo loaded with the 300gr XTP bullets for whitetails and hogs and for anything that can eat me I use Randy Garrett's +P and +P+ ammo ( http://garrettcartridges.com ) as he only loads the .44 mag and the 45/70 and his qulaity control is great. His Hammerhead bullets are the best bulletsw available for these calibers on the market today for the +P and +P+ loads IMO. Be sure and checkout both sites that I gave the addy's for and see for yourself what is available to us handgun hunters. |
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JV64
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| 13 Sep 2012 10:23 PM |
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Garrett cartridges is not taking orders at this time. Check the web site. |
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David Asche
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| 14 Sep 2012 02:25 AM |
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Ruger Super Blackhawk .44 Remington Magnum, 7.5 inch barrel, Mag-Na-Ported, Custom walnut target style grips, Iron sights, rear sight notch narrowed to give finer hold, trigger and all action parts stoned out baby butt smooth. 250 grain Sierra Silhouette bullets loaded over 24.5 grains of WW296 and a CCI 350 magnum primer. Carried in a nylon Uncle Mikes all weather belt holster. Nuff said. |
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cayugad
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| 14 Sep 2012 06:30 PM |
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This is my Ruger Redhawk .44 magnum with a Trophy Red Dot on it.
I personally would not recommend a Red Dot on the handgun. Not that its not accurate, as it is. I was shooting out to 25 yards and it lays them 240 grain Winchester right in there. The trouble with a Red Dot is where I hunt, in the late after noon it gets dark in a hurry. I have noticed that the "red dot" starts to turn into a half moon. Also as the shadows close in on me, even though I have 20 minutes of time left in the day before I legally have to get out of the woods, its so dark back there, that looking through the red dot, you can not identify the deer anymore.
I too have been looking for a nice 2x or even a 4x HANDGUN scope. And I want to mount that. I just threw this rig together because a friend of mine had a stroke and he was upset because he lost use of his one side. So he could not deer hunt having only one arm. Well guess what.. he could deer hunt after all.
Actually the sights that came with the revolver were excellent and out to 50 yards I had no problem hitting what I aimed at. But I was a police officer for many years, and shot hundreds of revolvers and rounds. So shooting was very natural for me. This revolver is a pleasure to shoot but with factory ammo, after about 20 rounds, you have had enough for the shooting for the day. |
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rthomas4
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| 15 Sep 2012 12:19 PM |
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Because of my eyesight, I need some magnification which rules out the red dot type of sights. I have a BSA scope on my Redhawk, and it's held up very well. |
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ternera1
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| 17 Sep 2012 07:00 PM |
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Could not resist: 44 Mag. Super Red Hawk 9.5" barrel; BSA 2x20 scope; and 180 grs never gave me any problems. Have it sighted @ 60 yrds. |
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Certified Angus
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| 17 Sep 2012 09:38 PM |
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your Ultra Dot will hold up just fine. Mine has done well for me for a few years now. As was stated though, you do tend to lose the red dot in low light, when aiming at brown targets. I have thought about switching to the Bushnell Trophy Dot, as you then have the option of using green or red dots, depending on conditions.
Good luck with whatever you choose.
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Shiloh
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| 18 Sep 2012 08:17 AM |
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ternera1, yours looks just like mine except mine has a Nikon 2x20 on it. It is sighter in at 75 yds with my own handloads using 320 grs LBTs and I have tested it on soaked phone books at close to 300 yds and had a good 4" penetration. Awesome power of a "simple" .44 Mag. It is underestimated as today folks find it boring and want the latest and greatest super-magnums for the sole purpose of punishing themselves in hopes of looking way-cool. |
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rthomas4
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| 18 Sep 2012 08:32 AM |
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It's almost identical to mine, except that I have pachmyer grips on mine. |
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ternera1
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| 18 Sep 2012 08:56 AM |
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I'll have to go check, but I was under the impression that I had a version of pachmyer grips.
Sh. & rt: being that you have almost the same setup as mine, do you agree that that combo has an excellent feel when you lift it. To me is well balanced and feels almost like an extension of my arm. I had one deer that came in about 10 yrds from my ground blind(just material around some trees) and I just picked up the 44 and opened up(without using the scope) as it run by. Hit it 3 times inside 50 yrds. and the buck dropped right there. Talking about a mess to clean up! But like always, loved every minute of it. |
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rthomas4
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| 18 Sep 2012 11:22 AM |
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I believe that if an individual actually began handgun shooting with a revolver, they tend to have a more "instinctive" aim ability. Plus, let's face it, Ruger is the closest thing to perfection that exists............at least that's the way most of us who own them feel, anyhow!!!!!!!!!! |
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Big Dawg
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| 18 Sep 2012 06:49 PM |
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I know mine will get passed down to my youngest son when they throw dirt on me as it will not be sold. It was the first firearm I had built exactly the way I wanted. |
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Shiloh
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| 18 Sep 2012 09:46 PM |
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I think the same set-up but on the 7.5" barrel version is better. A buddy bought the shorter version and topped it with a 2x20mm Leupold at the same time I got mine. We developed loads together and shot each gun many times and I really felt the shorter version was handier. But, there is a smidgeon more velocity in the longer barrel and it does look cooler, plus it helps dampen recoil a bit more. |
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rthomas4
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| 19 Sep 2012 10:11 AM |
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Yeah, mine is the 7 1/2" barrel. I believe those grips are the concalvo grips. I have the after market pachmyers. The only thing I've ever found wrong with Ruger, is the factory grips tend to be too small for my hands. |
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Shiloh
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| 19 Sep 2012 10:42 AM |
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The Redhawk grips to me are too round, allowing my fingers to wrap over eachother and makes it hard for me to keep it under control for follow-up shots. The Super-Redhawk grips however are just right for me, essentially being like their great GP100 line. |
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stickem2
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| 19 Sep 2012 11:34 AM |
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44 Mag..... |
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Nomad
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| 21 Sep 2012 04:00 PM |
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When I lived in Ohio years ago, handguns or shotguns were all that was allowed for deer hunting. In the seven years I lived there I shot a number of deer with a TC with a barrel chambered for 30-30 and a fixed 4X scope. Worked really well but you had to be pretty good as it is rare to get a second shot. |
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Big Dawg
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| 23 Sep 2012 09:13 AM |
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Though as noted my personal preference is the .44 mag if I owned a .357 mag I would not hesitate to use it for hunting deer. If I were to use the .357 I would keep my shots to 50 yards and under and we all know that irregardless of what we choose it is bullet placement that really matters most. A .357 put through the vitals will kill just as dead as a .44 mag or whatever else is used. |
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S.B.
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| 23 Sep 2012 09:32 AM |
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Every hunter should realize that it's the loss of blood that keeps game down for the count. That said the quicker the blood loss the quicker you start to field dressing you game. Therefore the bigger(diameter) of the bullet used the sooner your game expires. I'm not saying that the .357 maggie won't take deer cleanly, it will and has been proven to do this but, if you can handle more lost game or longer tracking times, go ahead and use smaller caliber handguns.
I disagree with the previous poster thought the bullet construction is the key. I think it's where you hit them but, bullet construction may account for the amount of meat damaged?
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eagle1953
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| 24 Sep 2012 03:20 AM |
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.44 mag.
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GLW
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| 24 Sep 2012 07:17 PM |
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I'm surprised nobody has split the difference and went with the .45 acp? Nothing like a 1911 for sure placement and quick follow up if need be.  |
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Mark_D
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| 18 Nov 2012 06:12 AM |
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Posted By GLW on 24 Sep 2012 08:17 PM
I'm surprised nobody has split the difference and went with the .45 acp? Nothing like a 1911 for sure placement and quick follow up if need be.
GLW, Here you go. I shot her at 20 paces from a tree stand using 45ACP LRN. It was a pass through shot entering at the neck and passing out the right shoulder. -MD |
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jmohr3
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| 18 Nov 2012 06:39 AM |
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Congrats! Great shooting. The 1911 is my all time favorite weapon. (Didn't hurt that I rebuilt them in the military!) |
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Mark_D
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| 18 Nov 2012 07:27 AM |
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Posted By jmohr3 on 18 Nov 2012 07:39 AM
Congrats! Great shooting. The 1911 is my all time favorite weapon. (Didn't hurt that I rebuilt them in the military!)
Thanks jmohr3. -MD |
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Big Dawg
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| 18 Nov 2012 08:00 AM |
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Mine has the slightly rounded " cowboy grips " that are a Reeder specialty and when firing it if you let it roll back and up the felt recoil is close to nothing. Alot of fellers here have shot mine while at the range and one of their first comments is " That thing does not recoil like most others I have shot ! " and this is as I said is true. It's hard t believe that such a small thing as reshaping the grips can have such a profound effect on felt recoil. |
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rthomas4
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| 29 Nov 2012 08:54 AM |
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I now carry my SA XD .45 with a LaserLyte on it for my backup when deer hunting. I have finished off a deer or two with it, as well as killed a few moccasins. |
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Shootin'J
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| 29 Nov 2012 06:53 PM |
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Ok; after reading this entire link and all the mention of the Ruger .44 mag and the 1911, you all have me intrigued. I just picked up a nice used Super Blackhawk (.44 mag) with a 5.5 in barrel and fixed/adjustable sights that I was planning to use for deer hunting. I also have a Colt .45 1911 Mark IV series gov't model. Being that they are both excellent pistols and have fixed/adjustable sights, my question is which one is better for the purpose? Granted that they both have fixed/adjustable sights and have shorter barrels, I can only expect shots in the 25-50 FEET range. Or am I wrong? We really havn't had much support in the past years in Wisconsin for handgun hunting until our recent passing of the concealed carry law. I love my M77 rifle, but when I feel confident enough, I would like to go out one season with only a pistol. But which one? And what parameters should I be paying more attention to? |
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Mark_D
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| 29 Nov 2012 09:10 PM |
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Posted By Shootin'J on 29 Nov 2012 07:53 PM
Ok; after reading this entire link and all the mention of the Ruger .44 mag and the 1911, you all have me intrigued. I just picked up a nice used Super Blackhawk (.44 mag) with a 5.5 in barrel and fixed/adjustable sights that I was planning to use for deer hunting. I also have a Colt .45 1911 Mark IV series gov't model. Being that they are both excellent pistols and have fixed/adjustable sights, my question is which one is better for the purpose? Granted that they both have fixed/adjustable sights and have shorter barrels, I can only expect shots in the 25-50 FEET range. Or am I wrong? We really havn't had much support in the past years in Wisconsin for handgun hunting until our recent passing of the concealed carry law. I love my M77 rifle, but when I feel confident enough, I would like to go out one season with only a pistol. But which one? And what parameters should I be paying more attention to?
Shootin'J, You'll need to check the WI regulations. When I was searching for Ammo I e-mailed Superior Shooters supply and they indicated that the 45acp was not legal for deer in WI. In MN as long as it is center fire and larger than 25 cal. It is legal. -MD |
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rthomas4
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| 30 Nov 2012 07:34 AM |
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Personally, if the pistol is all I'd be carrying, I'd stick with the .44 mag.; but that's just my opinion. |
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Shootin'J
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| 30 Nov 2012 03:29 PM |
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Thanks for the input MD and Rt. MD, I checked the regs before deer season and as I stated, WI changed that law/rule when we passed the CC law. The regs are pretty much the same as you stated in MN, but we can go as low as a .22 cal. We must have a CC license, and we must be over 18. Barrels have to be a Minimum of 5.5 inches too. |
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Mark_D
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| 30 Nov 2012 05:47 PM |
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Posted By Shootin'J on 30 Nov 2012 04:29 PM
Thanks for the input MD and Rt. MD, I checked the regs before deer season and as I stated, WI changed that law/rule when we passed the CC law. The regs are pretty much the same as you stated in MN, but we can go as low as a .22 cal. We must have a CC license, and we must be over 18. Barrels have to be a Minimum of 5.5 inches too.
SJ, It was the barrel length. A standard 1911 has a 5" barrel. -MD | Model | Caliber | Finish | Grips | Barrel | Overall Length (in.) | Approximate Weight (oz., empty) |
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Shootin'J
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| 30 Nov 2012 11:02 PM |
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MD, you are making perfect sense, but our regs state that the measurement for the barrel is measured "from the firing pin to the muzzle with the action closed". Granted, as you stated, the barrel is 5", the state includes the space for the action. Mine measures 7" from muzzle to firing pin. And in lieu of your good insight, I am gonna call the DNR and verify just to make sure that all is compliant. These rules and regs can be, and are quite tricky so I will follow up (with the Wis DNR) just to keep my keester out of a sling. Thanks. |
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GLW
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| 02 Dec 2012 12:34 PM |
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I have a muzzle brake on my 1911, wonder if that counts?  Here in NY (upstate) you just need a basic pistol permit to hunt. I have a CC but still cannot carry during archery season. I would just like a tad more protection while walking in early.  Question...The end of the barrel to the front or back of the firing pin? |
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Shootin'J
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GLW
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| 06 Dec 2012 07:41 PM |
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Shootin'J, that's what I as thinking? That would give you a true 5" and nothing more. I was just have fun this it. Thanks for serving, I was in the Air Force, Civil Engineering, from 81 -91. |
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