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Sig, Berretta, or Glock
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kramarczyk
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| 18 Oct 2010 06:44 AM |
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My son who lives near Phoenix AZ. asked for my opinion on which he should get. He has the idea that someday the world may turn on its ear and become lawless and it will be every man for himself. So he gave me three choices to pick from, the Sig P226 tactical, Berretta 96A1, and the Glock all of them in 9mm. His wife served in the Guard and insists on the 9mm. I own a Berretta 92 in a 40 cal. but I told him to consider the Sig. Any other opinions out there? |
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Two Tales
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| 18 Oct 2010 08:42 AM |
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shouldn't even be a question get the Sig, I personnally don't like 9s, I opt for the .45 cal whenever I can in an auto. 9 is ok if ya only want to shoot them...the .45 will make'em real dead... |
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gehee
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| 18 Oct 2010 02:07 PM |
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The sig. The beretta is the lowest rung of those three. The 9 kills at almost the exact rate of the 45 according to actual stats fron street usage. Plus it's more controllable for smaller people... Actually, the 9, 40, and 45 are so close in actual killing power that bullet choice is more important as they overlap each other. Truth is a 380 you carry is better than a 357 you tire of
The biggest number you'll hear is fro. Military usage. There it's true, a 45 outperforms a 9, but you are not limited to ball ammo, which reduces the effectiveness of all these calibers to 32 auto level or below |
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Mr VJP
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| 18 Oct 2010 03:41 PM |
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"He has the idea that someday the world may turn on its ear and become lawless and it will be every man for himself."
Smart son you got there! Living in Arizona, he sees it happening already.
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melissa4
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| 18 Oct 2010 05:07 PM |
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All three mentioned are fine firearms. The main point should be which pistol fits the shooter better in mode of carry, concealment, and during shooting. As the main point mentioned is "the world turning on it's ear", I think the 9mm is a good choice as far as ammo availability and or components are concerned. And to take my last suggestion a step further, the Glock is definately the most common of the three, should the need arise for replacement magazines or parts. |
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HUNTME
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| 18 Oct 2010 06:19 PM |
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if plastic is what you want,buy the glock.
the baretta is a fine pistole.
the sig is a good weapon,so i have heard,i do not own one.
the 9 mill would not be my choice,but to each his own.out to about 10 yards the 9 is a good round,past that the 40 would work better,and the 45 is a slob of a round past 15 yards.
and when the scumbags start at you from 30 yards away i want to be able to leave one or two dead at 25 yards,not 10 to 15 yards like the 9 will do.
now i would most likely in the situation you described,be using my 357 mag with a 125 grain j.h.p.
and with that gun i can make a 30 yard shot with enough power to spank him and daisey him/or her. |
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HUNTME
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| 18 Oct 2010 06:34 PM |
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and melisa made a good point.finding ammo and parts is a good thing to think about. |
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Two Tales
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| 18 Oct 2010 06:55 PM |
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first ones to turn will be the druggies and the crazies...and the li'l brown guys from down south...I have seen the clips from actually footage the 9 was used and these..dryged up clowns kept comming..hit with the .45 they didn't come no more ever again...I'm not sure were anyone would get the idea that the .45 is not good past 15yds...I shoot mine accurately at 50yds...and so do a lot of other folks I know..including my 1 armed GF...past that they would be getting something that is a bit quicker and has a lot more fire power...I'm sure it would ruin thier day...it's been said that a man's place in he77 is determined by the number of his enemy he sends to greet him....I want to be the last to arrive... |
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mwilkey1
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| 18 Oct 2010 11:04 PM |
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Double tap, center mass. It's the one He feels will save his life. |
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HUNTME
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| 18 Oct 2010 11:06 PM |
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i ask this-have you shot a human at 50 yard with your 45? did he die? |
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jhunt
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| 19 Oct 2010 12:13 AM |
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I cary the M9 Beretta in 9mm in the Army, as I did in the Air Force. The fact that you can leave the weapon "hot" with the double action is great and the quick glance to the rear of the slide will tell you if it's on "safe" or "fire." It shoots great and doesn't have many problems with me. However it goes to preference. He should find a shooting range nearby that allows people to rent weapons and field test them in the range first. Not just shooting at paper either. Practice drawing from a holster, etc. before deciding as one that fits good for plinking may not fit good for drawing from a holster. |
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france
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| 19 Oct 2010 02:00 AM |
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"He has the idea that someday the world may turn on its ear and become lawless and it will be every man for himself."
I would get a good sport utility rifle with the handgun as backup. |
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GAW
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| 19 Oct 2010 06:59 AM |
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All are fine guns. I'm a GLOCK guy because it's point and shoot, no saftey to take off and it fits me best. I have a 40 and a 9. No matter what caliber/gun you choose, practice so you can make the first double tap count. Take the NRA self and home defense courses.
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bdn3
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| 19 Oct 2010 10:01 AM |
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Of those choices I would take the sig , can't go wrong there .Personnaly I like my Kimber ultra carry eclipse in good old 45 acp,no need for a double tap if you do it right the first time |
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rooo
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| 19 Oct 2010 11:55 AM |
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I like Sigs. The Tac Op looks like a nice package, but like most Sig's, premium price. They are great guns. I have two, P250 and P229 Platinum Elite. This one looks like it's coming out of the custom shop as well. |
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JohnMunson
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| 21 Oct 2010 07:50 PM |
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for personal protection glock is the way to go...it is the most reliable...it may not be as accurate as the sig but unless you are target shooting that doesnt matter...the glock can be fired after it has been dropped in water, sand etc....even after thousands of rounds... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjU...re=related now thats reliable |
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Don357
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| 21 Oct 2010 09:37 PM |
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In my honest opinion, I would choose, in this order,#1 Sig, #2 Beretta. Keep the Glock for survival mode in case you need a trotline weight. The "safe action"(LOL) trigger system is NOT as safe as it is made out to be, and therefore Glocks are not the gun for personal defence, especially for inexperienced shooters using it for a CCW. A finger accidentally getting into the trigger guard, (which is fairly easy to do even for an experienced shooter) could ruin a persons day. |
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BUDDAHEAD
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| 22 Oct 2010 08:34 PM |
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I carry a Glock profesionally, that said I would go Sig and no question .45 it just hits harder, that said carry enough gun, if the world turns to kaos I will opt for a shoulder fired weapon with a handgun backup for close quarters. |
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Vernon13
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| 13 Nov 2010 08:07 PM |
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I don't know if it's to late or not to comment on this post but I've shot the Sig P226 in 9mm and .40cal. From the time that I shot those Sig's I had to have one! I purchased a Sig P220 only cause I wanted a .45. If I had to choose out of a P226 I would go with the .40cal. I liked how much better the .40cal shot. If you have the extra money always go Sig and if not my second choice would be a Glock in .40cal or bigger. I've had 9mm's and sold them because I didn't trust the stopping power of them. This is just my opinion though so you don't have to agree. The best way and the only true way to know what someone will want is to always test fire before purchasing. At least if you don't like it your not out of a ton of money! |
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Vernon13
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| 13 Nov 2010 08:07 PM |
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I don't know if it's to late or not to comment on this post but I've shot the Sig P226 in 9mm and .40cal. From the time that I shot those Sig's I had to have one! I purchased a Sig P220 only cause I wanted a .45. If I had to choose out of a P226 I would go with the .40cal. I liked how much better the .40cal shot. If you have the extra money always go Sig and if not my second choice would be a Glock in .40cal or bigger. I've had 9mm's and sold them because I didn't trust the stopping power of them. This is just my opinion though so you don't have to agree. The best way and the only true way to know what someone will want is to always test fire before purchasing. At least if you don't like it your not out of a ton of money! |
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Vernon13
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| 13 Nov 2010 08:22 PM |
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I apologize for the double post. I don't know how it happened. |
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jwellman4
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| 25 Aug 2011 01:17 PM |
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i own a berretta 9mm,and 40 great guns also own a s@w 40 also a great gun as far as glocks i had one and got rid of it it was very uncomfortable to fire i would recommend setting a price range and shop around at most dealers they will have one of every gun known to man that can be fired before he decides on one to buy |
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Ritchey Sr.
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| 03 Sep 2011 08:31 PM |
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Shot GLOCK model 22 40SW for years without any problems and it is still my CCW of choice. It is one heck of a pistol no matter what. |
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EdD270
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| 03 Sep 2011 09:30 PM |
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Having trained with, carried on duty, and shot all three, I can say all three are fine pistols. I suggest your son, he sounds to be a very wise young man, get the pistol that best fits his and his family's hands and meets his needs. You don't mention his level of experience and training with semi-auto handguns, whether he'll be carrying it concealed or not, use it for hunting or not, carrying on the job or not, etc.
If carrying concealed is the primary purpose, then go with the Glock or the Sig. If carrying on duty in uniform, then the Beretta would be fine, too, if the agency or department approves it. If used for hunting, I'd go with the Beretta, as I consider it the more accurate of the three. If he has no experience with semi-autos, but is experienced with revolvers, I'd go with the Glock. If maximum magazine capacity is a factor, again, the Glock wins it. If he has no experience with handguns at all, again go with the Glock, but I'd prefer a revolver just because I love them.
He'll want to get quality 9mm ammo, for defense, hunting, target shooting, etc., and they won't all be the same ammo probably. 9mm does fine for most purposes in defense and hunting small game or varmints, javelina, which are fun to hunt here in AZ with a handgun, and so on, but are a little light for my tastes for deer-sized game.
BTW, if You're Beretta is a .40 it's probably a M96 rather than a 92. Great gun. I, too, prefer the .40 over the 9mm, but that's just personal preference. |
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teezr9
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| 04 Sep 2011 01:37 AM |
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GLock 19 is my personal favorite. As mentioned several times already, he should try 'em on for size, so to speak. With the nation's largest state owned shooting range just north of Phoenix, he has planty room to try 'em.
As for killing power, in my profession, I've seen humans just as dead from .22's as they were from .30-06's.
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okherp
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| 04 Sep 2011 05:05 PM |
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I will never own a Glock! I don't feel like I can trust them without a visible safety. And I would never own a 9mm. Too weak! Sure, they will kill, but so will a .22, statistically the deadliest round. But zero knockdown means that it has no stopping power. .45's are powerful rounds, but virtually zero accuracy at any distance other than point blank. I would like to have a Sig, but I do own a Beretta 96 .40 S&W, as well as a Beretta Px-4 Storm, also in .40 S&W. The 96 is a time-tested design, just like the 1911 frame, and mine shoots flawlessly. It has never jammed, misfired, or tried to chamber 2 rounds at the same time (as I've had happen with cheaper autos). Dependability is crucial in life stakes! |
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rburrows6
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| 05 Sep 2011 07:48 PM |
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Since this post is almost a year old its probably over and done .How ever I thought I would put it in the words of my son who came home on leave from his first tour in Iraq with the USMC ." Dad can I take your .45 back with me ? We have the M9's(Beretta) but that 9mm doesn't do it as well as the .45's" nuff said by someone who was there and doing it! and came back home after 3 tours of doing it up close and personal . |
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rburrows6
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| 05 Sep 2011 07:53 PM |
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For OKherp , Don't know where you got the idea that a .45 auto is not accurate ,I believe a few thousand target shooters and more than a few gun makers will beg to differ |
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gehee
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| 05 Sep 2011 08:51 PM |
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The only time the 45 is much better than the 9 is if you are forced to use ball ammo. Statistically ball 45 has about the same effectiveness as the 32 cap with hollow points. 9, especially in the light fast 124 that the army uses is terrible ball ammo. If you must use ball the 147's are better, but for personal defense there's No good reason to use ball ammo as it's less effective and bc of over penetration increases your odds of shooting an innocent. |
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rburrows6
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| 06 Sep 2011 05:09 PM |
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Don't know what statistics gehee uses but the math is way off , given the same velocity of 850fps the .32acp with a 60gr hornady xtp vs. a 230gr hardball .45 the scale is definately tipped in favor of the .45 plus too many actuall accounts of gunshot studies by the FBI indicate otherwise. the .32 ends up being better than the .25 acp and nothing at all . |
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abranch
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| 07 Sep 2011 02:03 PM |
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There was a story on the back page of one of the firearms magazines a few years ago and it was a Russian officer and a Navy seal having a little impromtu shoot-off. The first set was with .22's and for the second set, with centerfires, the seal pulled out a Sig in .45 cal., the Russian commented on the Berretta 92 being the issue arm for the US forces. When the Navy man replied, "Not for us (maybe not an exact quote)", the Russian looked at him for a moment and said, "Ah, Spetznatz". I may not have the dialog exact, it seems the Russian did not know the Navy man was a seal. |
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gehee
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| 07 Sep 2011 03:55 PM |
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The statistics were based on FBI studies... Ball ammo is terrible... Ball ammo, for every caliber, is better than nothing but inferior to all calibers 380 and higher with hollowpoints |
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okherp
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| 08 Sep 2011 08:28 AM |
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Posted By rburrows6 on 05 Sep 2011 08:53 PM
For OKherp , Don't know where you got the idea that a .45 auto is not accurate ,I believe a few thousand target shooters and more than a few gun makers will beg to differ I'm not trying to start a debate, but the ballistics are horrible, at least with factory ammunition. Given that most handgun shootouts occur at less than 3 yds, the .45 is fine. But for distance, 25-50 yds, give me almost anything else. It would be hard to get a decent group from a .45 past 7 or 8 yds. |
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shortgun
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| 14 Sep 2011 08:51 AM |
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okherb
Your firearms and ballistic knowledge is...well...a bit lacking to say the least. |
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vdagiel
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| 14 Sep 2011 02:51 PM |
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Posted By okherp on 08 Sep 2011 09:28 AM
Posted By rburrows6 on 05 Sep 2011 08:53 PM
For OKherp , Don't know where you got the idea that a .45 auto is not accurate ,I believe a few thousand target shooters and more than a few gun makers will beg to differ I'm not trying to start a debate, but the ballistics are horrible, at least with factory ammunition. Given that most handgun shootouts occur at less than 3 yds, the .45 is fine. But for distance, 25-50 yds, give me almost anything else. It would be hard to get a decent group from a .45 past 7 or 8 yds.
I guess it's just luck when I shoot a steel plate, with consistancy, the size of a human torso at 100 Yards then huh?
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grey-wolf
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| 10 Sep 2012 07:51 PM |
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I'm not trying to start a debate, but the ballistics are horrible, at least with factory ammunition. Given that most handgun shootouts occur at less than 3 yds, the .45 is fine. But for distance, 25-50 yds, give me almost anything else. It would be hard to get a decent group from a .45 past 7 or 8 yds.
I need to talk to my 45's and let them know they are not as accurate as the target says they are. |
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