Our Sheriff also sent the WH a letter telling them he would not enforce these as well and he also stated that any Federal LE trying to arrest any county resident would in turn themselves be arrested for an illegal act which he considers this to be. Just think about the sheer numbers of Veterans from Vietnam Republic of and then all the Veterans of the present wars and we have millions who have taken and upheld the Oath and all the ones I have talked with have the same thought as I do when it comes to the Oath. WE all swore that would defend our country from enemy's both foreign and DOMESTIC and have said they will defend it to their deaths. With all thse Veterans, citizens, and all the civilans who do not support this WE have a standing Army that is bigger than any other in the world. PREPARE YOURSELVES !!!!!

Big Dawg, our differances may at times be great, But you are a Brother in arms, as are all vets. Vets the ones who took that oath, are also the ones who may suffer PTSD, which they will try and use as a reason to deny ownership of firearms. The treat PTSD represents to themselves and others. There is not going to be a standing Army trying to take our guns, not at first anyway. They will use what they feel are reasonable, stats of mental in-stability to disarm those they feel to be a treat. That is the direction they are headed with this latest public safety and background checks thing. And at face value it is reasonable, and you will be labled a conspiracy theiorest to question anything about it.

Posted By Big Dawg on 22 Jan 2013 12:53 PM
Our Sheriff also sent the WH a letter telling them he would not enforce these as well and he also stated that any Federal LE trying to arrest any county resident would in turn themselves be arrested for an illegal act which he considers this to be. Just think about the sheer numbers of Veterans from Vietnam Republic of and then all the Veterans of the present wars and we have millions who have taken and upheld the Oath and all the ones I have talked with have the same thought as I do when it comes to the Oath. WE all swore that would defend our country from enemy's both foreign and DOMESTIC and have said they will defend it to their deaths. With all thse Veterans, citizens, and all the civilans who do not support this WE have a standing Army that is bigger than any other in the world. PREPARE YOURSELVES !!!!!

This is where Obama has made his mistake... gun owners will not stand for being held responsible for the few people that commit these crimes and be forced to suffer their consequences.

BD... something tells me, that standing Army does not take their oath lightly, unlike the man that just swore his oath to this nation and the Constitution... while doing just the otherwise!

The Anti gun groups are tring anyway they can. We say those horrible acts were perpetrated by mentally un-stable people, Not guns. Now a light has come on in their heads. They say OK then we must keep guns out of the hands of those type people. No body will argue with that, and in fact many pro-gun poeple do agree.
The Question is how do we determine who all those mentally un-stable people are. And in reality will tougher background checks actually keep such nut jobs from getting their hands on a gun, and if they realy want to kill a bunch of people, do they need a gun.

The scary thing about tougher back ground checks, is the idea that your neighbors and fellow workers can have influence over your ability to purchase a gun. I don't know about everyone else on here, but I've certainly managed to piss off a few people in my lifetime, hell just look at how many I've pissed off right here on this board!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted By rthomas4 on 23 Jan 2013 01:47 PM
The scary thing about tougher back ground checks, is the idea that your neighbors and fellow workers can have influence over your ability to purchase a gun. I don't know about everyone else on here, but I've certainly managed to piss off a few people in my lifetime, hell just look at how many I've pissed off right here on this board!!!!!!!!!!!

That is my point RT, who and what criteria do they use to establish mental stability, fit for ownership of a gun. Somthing about a terriorist watch list being used, there are poeple who are on that list who do not even know they are. It may be from something they said, that actually meant nothing that got them there. PTSD is somthing that is out there, if you were ever in combat the posibility is there you maybe be suffering from some form of it and not know it, cases of latent PTSD. Flash backs as they were called in the VN era. Triggered by or for unknown reasons years after the event.

Since I was retired by a medical board and cleard of ANY problems other than the multile surgey's I was deemed to be in great physical and mental condition with all the test I had to take. The psych evalutation stated that I was of sound mind and showed no signs of PTSD nor any other mental diagnosis of any kind. My health to include my mental health is great but what they refer to and call my " mechanics " are what is my problems ie. both ankles reconstructed, both shoulders the same, and now 4 lumbar surgeries with implanted metal plates and 4-4 inch titanium phillips head screws. I know many Veterans who do not have PTSD and are of sound mind and body so not all Veterans have PTSD. Since I enlisted and had thought long and hard about combat ( my Father, and 2 Uncles were combat Veterans ) and it was everything I imagined and then some but I also recognized that this would be a part war and was something that I knew I would experience and see so I believe having that info and thought was what kept me from having PTSD. It is mostly the soldiers that had never seen anything dead or hunted and killed and cleaned an animal or had seen a dead human before that seem to be the ones that suffer the most cases of PTSD. You can rest assured that they will definitely be going after the ones diagnosed with it for sure as well as any Veteran that has a psychiatic record. But there are simply to many that have left the service and began working in the civilian world with no problems ( especially the LE field ) so there are many who will a part of the standing Army that will have the experience that will be needed. We shall see. PREPARE YOURSELVES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

BD I am not saying All combat Vets have PTSD, but do you believe the Antis will not attempt to use that. They throw out figures, they do not have to be facts. But once out there must be addressed with facts, and they want absolutes, not reasonible.

Oh no ckell that is not what I meant at all and you can bet they WILL use it and there will those thousands that will not be able to buy firearms and those that already own them will be required to give them up or either go to jail or be killed when they attempt to take their firearms. ANY psych record for any condition in which the patient went to the clinic for help will be denied as well. The sending of records and the ability of ANY Veterans records being available to ANY governement agency has been the norm for the last 5 years now. When this law was passed nobody really cared when I raised he11 but after Obamacare was passed and it then included EVERYBODY's records being available the same as the Veterans then it became an issue of INVASION OF PRIVACY which I found humurous myself. It was OK that the VFW, American Legion, and the NRA supported it when it was just those already adjudacted mentally ill and the Veterans but when it all of a sudden included EVERYBODY THEN AND ONLY THEN DID IT BECOME AND ISSUE. A bit hypocrtical wouldn't you say ???

"It was OK that the VFW, American Legion, and the NRA supported it when it was just those already adjudacted mentally ill and the Veterans but when it all of a sudden included EVERYBODY THEN AND ONLY THEN DID IT BECOME AND ISSUE. A bit hypocrtical wouldn't you say ???"

Yes sir, I agree completly.

Well I guess some of the things I seen in the military and as a firefighter would qualify me then .You ever went into a burned out house and thought you were moving a coffee table and when you grab the legs the skin and burnt flesh comes off in your hands .Then when I was in GERMANY i watched as 11 people got blown to hell because a butter ball would not let me shut off some power .Yes some body parts were hitting my truck as I was trying to get away from the building .

Never served in the military, but I did drive a wrecker when I was a high school senior. I've watched a truck driver burn alive while a highway patrolman and I tried to get him out of the cab. I found a young girl stuffed up under the dash of the car after her family's car had flipped on a rain soaked highway and everyone was frantically searching for her. The worst part was she looked like the girl I was dating at the time. Then years later as a constable, helped pulled a body out of Lake Marion, and found a dead man in the swamp who had wandered off from his home. I've also never had a second thought about the two guys I shot, either. No lasting mental problems, but then again, I wasn't undergoing the stress of enemy fire.