200 NYS hunting camp in danger of being removed please help!
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31 Jan 2012 08:01 PM
I received the below e-mail from a friend in the NYS conservation council.  The e-mail is in regards to action taken by several green groups,( Serria Club, Protect the Adirondacks, Adirondack Wild)  to block a D.E.C. plan to allow 200 hunting camps to remain on State Easement lands. If this plan is shot down all 200 camps will be torn down and the hunting clubs will probably be disbanded.  This is a precedent setting decision which will effect thousands of other camps in NY. Take a look at the info below, I will be attaching a letter we can send to our elected officials supporting D.E.C. plan , please help your fellow sportsman keep their cabins.

you can see the letters from the green groups to the state AG and Comptroller office further down the page.

Below you will find information regarding communication sent to the AG and State Comptroller by several green groups regarding the D.E.C.'s plan to allow camps to remain on the former Champion Lands. In the end this is about more than the Champion Lands, it is about thousands of other camps used for sporting, family recreation, snowmobiling and ATVing, that currently exist on easement lands,  that would likely be saved through the DEC's precedent setting decision. It is also about the selfish desires of some groups to impose their beliefs and will on hard working taxpayers with different lifestyles and recreational pursuits.

 

This has to be of serious concern to our elected officials, our local businesses and all in the sporting and snowmobiling community We need to work with elected officials to be sure the D.E.C.’s current plan comes to fruition, thousands of other camps are saved, our traditions are maintained and that laws are enacted to curtail the action of these enviro-litigants.

 

You will soon receive an action alert that I will be preparing to be sent to elected officials and key policy makers.

 

Please distribute this e-mail to improve awareness of this looming problem.

 

 

From the Protect the Adirondacks Website Jan. 31, 2012

Heartwood Easements at Risk

January 25, 2012

Coalition puts AG and Comptroller on notice; Imminent and actual violation of State law by DEC’s proposed
modification of State-owned conservation easements on property
owned by the Heartwood Forestland Fund III, LP

A Joint Letter from:

Sierra Club-Atlantic Chapter-Adirondack Committee
Protect the Adirondacks
Adirondack Wild: Friends of the Forest Preserve
Atlantic States Legal Foundation, Inc.

September 30, 2011

Hon. Thomas P. DiNapoli
Comptroller, State of New York
110 State Street
Albany, NY 12236

Re: Imminent and actual violation of State law by DEC’s proposed
modification of State-owned conservation easements on property owned by the Heartwood Forestland Fund III, LP

Dear Comptroller DiNapoli:

We urgently request that you exercise your authority to stop the imminent and actual egregious violations of State law described below. We would like to have the opportunity to discuss this serious matter with you at the earliest possible time.

In order to modify (or extinguish) State-held conservation easements in the Adirondack Park or Catskill Park, the NYS Department of Environmental Conservation is required by Section 49-0307(3)(d) of Article 49, Title 3 of the Environmental Conservation Law to first hold a public hearing after which the Commissioner of Environmental Conservation must make a determination that the easement can no longer “substantially accomplish its original purposes or any of the purposes set forth in Section 49-0301,” which section is a statement of policy and purposes for such easements.

This summer DEC completed an Environmental Impact Statement for its proposal to modify three State-owned easements in the Adirondack Park, purchased in 1998 with State bond act funds, that it administers on 110,000 acres of industrial forest land owned by the Heartwood Forestland Fund III, LP. The 1998 purchase agreements provided in part for removal of more than 200 hunting cabins within 15 years (now coming up) and the recreational, wildlife and water quality benefits of doing so were clearly described in the EIS at that time. Since 1998 DEC has changed its policy about eliminating hunting cabins when purchasing conservation easements and now wants to re-visit this 1998 acquisition to make it conform to the new policy.

However, DEC has not complied with the hearing and determination requirements of Section 49-0307 (3)(d). We were informed in late July that DEC would be convening two public information meetings about the easement modifications, but even if they are convened they hardly qualify as hearings and they would be held after-the-fact of a completed SEQRA process. In fact, apart from the lack of a public hearing during the SEQRA process, DEC cannot in truth make the required determination. Clearly, the three easements can still “substantially accomplish” their original purposes without modification. DEC cannot say that they will not. The 1998 cabin removal provision would still benefit the wildlife, water quality and recreational purposes of the agreement and Section 49-0301, obviously much more so than by leaving the cabins in place as DEC now wants to do.

Further, the proposed modification may be fraught with serious unresolved issues of “equal value,” which the State is required to obtain in such a transaction so as to avoid violating the “gift clause” of the State constitution. This would be of particular concern to you, we presume. Apart from the fact that the State already paid in 1998 for cabin removal as part of the overall purchase price, if the modification were to be approved Heartwood would stand to gain considerable monies from fees received from leasing land to the hunting clubs in future years. In return for modifying the easements to leave cabins standing, Heartwood proposes to give the State a fee title interest in a couple of thousand acres of its land, most of which will be added to the Forest Preserve. However, there is nothing special about this land except for the Deer River area which already is under a conservation easement. Most of it is run-of-the mill industrial forest land that could be purchased anywhere in the Adirondacks.

Also, most of this land is to be carved from one of the tracts on which the State has already purchased an easement, Since the value of the easements already purchased by the State is about 50% of the total value of the land, the value of the remaining fee title interest to be transferred to the State to satisfy “equal value” requirements is worth only 50% of total value. Simply put, the State would not get enough value from Heartwood in return for leaving the cabins standing, as compared with the benefits to be gained from cabin removal. While DEC adamantly maintains that equal value would be achieved, they have provided no documentation despite our repeated requests for it over the years.

We believe that DEC is on the verge of submitting the proposed Heartwood easement(s) modification to you for approval, if you have not already received it. We encourage you and your staff to be on the alert for such a request.

As we said, we will appreciate having an opportunity to discuss this matter with you at the earliest possible time. One of us will call to request an appointment. Thank you.

Sincerely,

John W. Caffry

John W. Caffry, Co-Chair, Conservation Committee, PROTECT THE ADIRONDACKS
c/o Caffry & Flower, 100 Bay Street, Glens Falls, NY 12801

David Gibson

David Gibson, Partner, ADIRONDACK WILD: FRIENDS OF THE FOREST PRESERVE
P.O. Box 9247, Niskayuna, NY 12309

Dan Plumley

Dan Plumley, Partner, ADIRONDACK WILD: FRIENDS OF THE FOREST PRESERVE
P.O. Box 746, Keene Valley, NY 12943

Samuel H. Sage

Samuel H. Sage, President/Senior Scientist, ATLANTIC STATES LEGAL FOUNDATION, INC.
658 West Onondaga Street, Syracuse, NY, 13204-3711

Charles C. Morrison

Charles C. Morrison, Project Coordinator, SIERRA CLUB, ATLANTIC CHAPTER, ADIRONDACK COMMITTEE, c/o 88 Court Street, Saratoga Springs, NY 12866

cc. Shawn C. Thompson, Chief of Staff. OSC

A Joint Letter from:

Sierra Club-Atlantic Chapter-Adirondack Committee
Protect the Adirondacks
Adirondack Wild: Friends of the Forest Preserve
Atlantic States Legal Foundation, Inc.

October 6, 2011

Hon. Eric T. Schneiderman
Attorney General, State of New York
State Capitol
Albany, NY 12224-0341

Re: Imminent and actual violation of State law by DEC’s proposed
modification of State-owned conservation easements on property
owned by the Heartwood Forestland Fund III, LP

Dear Attorney General Schneiderman:

We urgently request that you exercise your authority to stop the imminent and actual egregious violations of State law described below. We would like to have the opportunity to discuss this serious matter with you at the earliest possible time.

In order to modify (or extinguish) State-held conservation easements in the Adirondack Park or Catskill Park, the NYS Department of Environmental Conservation is required by Section 49-0307(3)(d) of Article 49, Title 3 of the Environmental Conservation Law to first hold a public hearing after which the Commissioner of Environmental Conservation must make a determination that the easement can no longer “substantially accomplish its original purposes or any of the purposes set forth in Section 49-0301,” which section is a statement of policy and purposes for such easements.

This past summer DEC completed an Environmental Impact Statement for its proposal to modify three State-owned easements in the Adirondack Park, purchased in 1999 with State bond act funds, that it administers on 110,000 acres of industrial forest land owned by the Heartwood Forestland Fund III, LP. The 1999 purchase agreements provided in part for removal of 208 hunting cabins within 15 years (now coming up) and the recreational, wildlife and water quality benefits of doing so were clearly described in the EIS at that time. Since 1999 DEC has changed its policy about eliminating hunting cabins when purchasing conservation easements and now wants to re-visit this 1999 acquisition to make it conform to the new policy.

However, DEC has not complied with the hearing and determination requirements of Section 49-0307 (3)(d). We were informed in late July that DEC would be convening two public information meetings about the easement modifications, but even if they are convened they hardly qualify as hearings and they would be held after-the-fact of a completed SEQRA process. In fact, apart from the lack of a public hearing during the SEQRA process, DEC cannot in truth make the determination required by 49-0307(3)(d). Clearly, the three easements can still “substantially accomplish” their original purposes without modification. DEC cannot say that they will not. The 1999 cabin removal provision would still benefit the wildlife, water quality and recreational purposes of the agreement and Section 49-0301, obviously much more so than by leaving the 208 cabins in place as DEC now wants to do.

Further, the proposed modification may be fraught with serious unresolved issues of “equal value,” which the State is required to obtain in such a transaction so as to avoid violating the “gift clause” of the State constitution. Apart from the fact that the State already paid in 1999 for cabin removal as part of the overall purchase price, if the modification were to be approved Heartwood would stand to gain considerable monies from fees received from leasing land to the hunting clubs in future years. In return for modifying the easements to leave cabins standing, Heartwood proposes to give the State a fee title interest in a couple of thousand acres of its land, most of which will be added to the Forest Preserve. However, there is nothing special about this land except for the Deer River area which already is under a conservation easement. Most of it is run-of-the mill industrial forest land that could be purchased anywhere in the Adirondacks.

Also, most of this land is to be carved from one of the tracts on which the State has already purchased an easement, Since the value of the easements already purchased by the State is about 50% of the total value of the land, the value of the remaining fee title interest to be transferred to the State to satisfy “equal value” requirements is really worth only 50% of total value. Simply put, the State would not get enough value from Heartwood in return for leaving the cabins standing, as compared with the benefits to be gained from cabin removal. While DEC adamantly maintains that equal value would be achieved, they have provided no documentation despite our repeated requests for it over the years.

We believe that DEC is on the verge of submitting the proposed Heartwood easement(s) modification to you for approval as required by Article 49, if you have not already received it. We encourage you and your staff to be on the alert for such a request.

As we said, we will appreciate having an opportunity to discuss this matter with you at the earliest possible time. One of us will call to request an appointment. Thank you.

Sincerely,

John W. Caffry

John W. Caffry, Co-Chair, Conservation Committee, PROTECT THE ADIRONDACKS
c/o Caffry & Flower, 100 Bay Street, Glens Falls, NY 12801

David Gibson

David Gibson, Partner, ADIRONDACK WILD: FRIENDS OF THE FOREST PRESERVE
P.O. Box 9247, Niskayuna, NY 12309

Dan Plumley

Dan Plumley, Partner, ADIRONDACK WILD: FRIENDS OF THE FOREST PRESERVE
P.O. Box 746, Keene Valley, NY 12943

Samuel H. Sage

Samuel H. Sage, President/Senior Scientist, ATLANTIC STATES LEGAL FOUNDATION, INC.
658 West Onondaga Street, Syracuse, NY, 13204-3711

Charles C. Morrison

Charles C. Morrison, Project Coordinator, SIERRA CLUB, ATLANTIC CHAPTER, ADIRONDACK COMMITTEE, c/o 88 Court Street, Saratoga Springs, NY 12866

cc. Lisa Burianek, Deputy Chief, Environmental Protection Bureau, OAG
Jeffrey Dvorkin, Chief, Real Property Bureau, OAG

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20 Feb 2012 11:25 AM
It sounds like the antis are at it again .
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03 Jul 2012 08:52 PM
Someone give me the short version
Dont have glasses in and it gives me headaches to read that much
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03 Jul 2012 08:53 PM
I'm serious by the way
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04 Jul 2012 01:39 PM
Essentially what is happening is the NYS Department of Environmental Conservation is in the process of acquiring a large

 tract of land which holds some 200 hunting camps on it. In the past, when these types of acquisitions happen the land was

reclassified and public access is greatly restricted ( no mortar vehicles, road closures, camps removed). Luckily this

practice has began to change, and the D.E.C has decided to allow the camps on this land stay. However some green groups

are fighting this decision based on past precedents. So as sportsman we are once again speaking up and supporting the

DEC decision to allow the camps to stay.          

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05 Jul 2012 07:05 PM
I second that motion
Camps should be allowed to stay. On the other hand
Will this mean that public access will be limited?
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06 Jul 2012 07:24 AM
The land will be open to the public, obviously the public will not be permitted to stay in the camp's. It's a win, win situation. The hunting clubs can keep their camps and the public has access to thousands of acres of previously closed land.


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