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| 30 Dec 2011 08:28 PM |
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Hey LunkerDog, You may like this.
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Gray wolf hunting season could happen fall of 2012
On January 27, the gray wolf will officially leave the endangered
species list. As early as fall of 2012, there could be a new wolf
hunting season in Minnesota.
According to Dan Stark, Department of Natural Resources Wolf
Management Specialist, a wolf hunt was not in the state’s management
plan this soon, but the 2011 Legislature changed all that.
“That specific language was passed by the legislature in 2000 when
they passed a wolf management bill, and it stated at that time that the
DNR would have the authority to develop a season five years after the
delisting of the wolf, but would have to allow for an opportunity for
the public to provide input on any proposals that the DNR would develop.
The last legislative session, that five year waiting period was
eliminated, so it basically now states the DNR can develop a wolf season
once wolves are delisted, but still needs to allow a public input
process.”
Stark said the DNR is already looking at proposal options for a wolf season.
“So right now we’re going through an internal staff process
developing some season options. It’ll likely be something that’s
discussed at the legislature this year. There’ll be an opportunity later
in the year for the public to review our proposal.”
Minnesota did allow wolf hunting a number of years ago, but the population grew in spite of hunting.
“It was legal to hunt wolves, but it wasn’t a regulated season. So up
until the early 1970’s wolves could be killed, primarily through
trapping, was the method people used to catch wolves. Some of the
information would indicate that from about 1950 to the early 1970’s that
about 200 wolves were killed annually by trappers. During that time we
have limited information on population estimate, but there was one
estimate done in the mid-50’s that the population was somewhere between
300 and 600 wolves. Then by the early 1970’s we had bout 750 wolves.
Even though they were being hunted at that time, the population did
start to recover because bounties and aerial gunning had been eliminated
and those were probably the two methods that really helped reduce wolf
numbers.”
Stark said wolves are not easy to hunt and season would likely be classified as a furbearer hunt.
“In a lot of places they’re managed as furbearers and in some areas
where they’re trying to reduce populations they have an extended hunting
season. But wolves are really difficult to hunt. They occur at pretty
low densities, so that in order to go out into an area that has a wolf
pack and be able to figure out where that is over 40 or 100 square miles
that they might cover is pretty tough. Then to be able to actually see
one…it’s not going to be an easy thing for people to do, so it’s going
to require some specialized knowledge of their behavior and biology and
some experience doing it. Likely a season would center around them as a
furbearer because that’s how we manage many similar species like bobcats
and otter, things that do have a good pelt to be sold. I think about
the average wolf pelt can be $100 to $300.”
If there is to be a wolf season in the fall, a public comment period would need to be held next summer.
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| 31 Dec 2011 10:02 AM |
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We can only hope! |
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Lunkerdog
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| 01 Jan 2012 07:26 PM |
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Mark, TGJ understated it, this has been a long ordeal, I'll believe it when I see it!!! I don't care if it's hunting, or trapping, I'll find my way in. In lieu of this years events many of you know my opinion of the wolf has changed as of late. They came in after my dogs twice I know of in 2011, killing my old dog Clarence Maki on August 18th  When the wolves are killing my dogs in August it's telling me that their population has exceeded the point that their natural game can sustain them. I saw two of the three wolves that were taken buy the federal trapper in in my area, and in fact shot one of them myself, they were underweight, and malnourished. That's why they chose my old dog as a food source. It will be interesting to see how this moves forward. I hope the MNDNR studies the models of the Western states. Personally I like the 2009 Idaho model, but that's just me  Our input is going to be important on this issue, I've got the pics to support my input, but we need to add our opinions in an intelligent, and concise manner. Ya I know, I'm screwed in that department!!!  I'll need the pics to back up my input  |
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TGJ
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| 07 Jan 2012 09:26 AM |
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Looks good so far, now to wait for the law suites.
I would like the set a quota and sell the tag. Season could be from Oct. 1st to March 1st. or all year as long as the # has not been met. |
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Lunkerdog
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| 07 Jan 2012 06:13 PM |
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TGJ, that's pretty much how Idaho did it. IMHO that seems like the smartest way to do it. Of course the MNDNR would never do things the smartest way now would they??? Listening to MPR last week it sounds like the MNDNR is leaning towards a lottery draw for tags which IMHO would be stupid. With a lottery draw you have set # of license sales, with a set revenue. With a quota system the revenue isn't limited. I may be wrong, but I believe that a quota system would bring in more money for the state, and would give more people an opportunity to hunt. But what do I know??? I guess all I can do is voice my opinion when they hold the public feedback, and see what happens  |
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Lunkerdog
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| 08 Jan 2012 05:58 PM |
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TGJ
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| 09 Jan 2012 08:09 AM |
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I think they are caving to the wolf lovers.
Get talking to you reps in the legislature, they will make the rules and put the pressure on the DNR.
A trophy season after the deer season is just plain stupid..... |
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Lunkerdog
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| 22 Jan 2012 11:28 AM |
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TGJ, I figured that I would bring this conversation back to this thread rather than hijack Thrillseekers thread with it.
I could live with a wolf season starting in conjunction with the deer hunting, though personally I would like to see it start latter. My reasoning is that at this point in time, for the most part, deer hunters leave the wolves alone. Wolves are smart animals, once we start killing them the game is going to change, and I believe that it will change fast.
I'm thinking that if they go with the lottery system that they're proposing giving the wolves their own season after the deer season will at least initially give hunters a slight edge. Though I don't believe that edge will last long.
On the other hand, if they decide to sell an unlimited # of licenses, opening the season along with the deer season will be a huge money maker for the state. Only the truly dedicated wolf hunters would continue after the deer season ends.
In the story I linked above it stated that the legislature would allow for "public testimony". Does anyone know how or when that is to take place? Is our only recourse to contact our local legislators? Or is there going to be some larger public forum?
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TGJ
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| 22 Jan 2012 04:44 PM |
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I have been looking for a place to comment but have not found any yet. I will be talking to my reps this week just to get them thinking along the right lines.
I want a wolf season to start with deer so I can hunt wolves after I get my deer but I will come back afterif thats the way it is. |
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Lunkerdog
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| 26 Jan 2012 12:43 AM |
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On MPR tonight I heard that the DNR is proposing a 400 wolf quota with 6000 licenses sold in a lottery drawing  The season would run from November until the quota is met (though I'm sure they will have to set an end date, as the quota may not be met. Wolves are going to prove to be a tough hunt). Hunters would have to register their wolf on the day they killed it. I should add that it will be 6000 hunting/trapping licenses. Depending on how the rules apply, I may go for the latter. TGJ, they also said that the season would not run in conjunction with the deer season because it would create too many complications |
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TGJ
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| 26 Jan 2012 08:48 AM |
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I read that in this mornings paper. I said some unkind things about the DNR and the wife looked at me and said "I see you found the wolf article". That plan is just a** kissing the anti hunters. I hope or polies get some big brass ones and give us a decent season and access to licenses. This issue is turning me into a f the dnr person. I think I will take a break before I get banned. |
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| 26 Jan 2012 04:02 PM |
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Lunkerdog
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| 27 Jan 2012 12:13 AM |
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TGJ, I think were both feeling about the same. I can live with the 400 wolf quota for now, but only 6000 licenses being sold has me reeling at the DNR The DNR is missing out on a huge revenue making opportunity here, yet they want to raise license fees on other seasons. What the hell difference does it make how many licenses they sell, and how many hunters they give an opportunity too, as long as the 400 wolf quota is in place??? |
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TGJ
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| 27 Jan 2012 08:48 AM |
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I to have no problem with a quota of 400. But 6000 licenses is just plane crazy. I did the e-mail to both the House and Senate yesterday telling them how I feel. |
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TGJ
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| 27 Jan 2012 08:51 AM |
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 And the DNR wants 50 bucks for resident license. Again I will take a break before I say things that will get me banned  . |
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Lunkerdog
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| 27 Jan 2012 02:45 PM |
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Lets do some math. 6000 licenses sold @ $50.00 = $300,000. 100,000 licenses sold @ $25.00 = $2,500,00. Yup, a bunch of geniuses we've got running our DNR Oh, and lets not forget... They need to raise the hunting and fishing license fees so they don't go broke |
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Mark_D
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| 27 Jan 2012 04:14 PM |
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Ok guys since were talking numbers. In 2009 there were 800,000 deer licenses sold. Total deer harvest 190,000. That ratio says 4 licenses = 1 deer.
That said:
Wolves are not as plentiful. (They have a lower population density)
They are move secretive than deer.
Question then is, "How many licenses does it take to kill 400 wolves?"
The DNR seems to think 6000. Which would mean 15 licenses = 1 wolf.
Raising the deer license fees 3 dollars is a gain of 2.4 million. Charging $400.00 for a wolf license would also get that 2.4 million.
The question remains what value are we getting for our license fees?
-Mark
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Lunkerdog
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| 27 Jan 2012 06:35 PM |
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Mark, I would say that we get a great value for our license fees. For me that's not the issue here. Your math isn't flawed, but I feel that your hypothetical reasoning is. That being said, I'll go ahead and do some hypothesis of my own, and see how it resonates with the rest of the members. Our first disagreement comes with the $400.00 wolf license. That only holds true if they only allow 6000 licenses to be sold. My Pryor math paints a different result. Lets look at some more of your math, and theorize a bit. You say some 800,000 hunters for deer. If that many hunters were to want to hunt wolves. At 6000 licenses available in a lottery, that's less than 1% of wannabe hunters being able to participate. If only 1/2 of those hunters want to participate, it's less than 2% being able to participate. If only 1/4 of those hunters want to participate, less than 4% would be able too at a 6000 licenses sold limit. I agree with TGJ, the DNR seems to be bending over backwards to appease the anti's. It almost seems as if they're trying to squelch the wolf season before it ever gets traction. I'm sorry, but I find the DNR's proposal to be total BS. They want to raise license fees for deer hunting, and fishing, yet seem to be turning their back on what I believe would be a great source of revenue. Not to mention that they seem to want to cut a possible huge percentage of possible hunters entirely out of the game. Needless to say, what the DNR is proposing in regards to the wolf hunt has me pissed off!!!  I'll add one more note, then walk away for now before I too get banned. TGJ said that they want a $50.00 license fee to hunt wolves. It's high, but I would pay it for the privilege to hunt wolves. If they sold 100,000 licenses it would amount to 5 million dollars into the DNR's coffers (Net). No, wait, I've got a better idea... Lets just raise the fees for deer hunting, and fishing licenses on the vast majority of sportsman, and deny most of them the right to hunt wolves, that's a much better idea |
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Mark_D
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| 27 Jan 2012 08:02 PM |
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-LD You fulfilled the intent of my post, which was to help move the conversation along. I know that there are a lot of emotions out there, Logical points to pass along to lawmakers and the bureaucrats. 1. The Wolf Hunt has a very large revenue potential for the DNR 2. Trapping is the most effective way to kill wolves. 3. Hunting would allow more people to participate. 4. A a long hunting season followed by a short trapping season would maximize participation and revenue. -MD |
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TGJ
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| 28 Jan 2012 09:34 AM |
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It all comes down to if you have a quota and required registration there is no need to limit licenses. If they charge a lot for a license, more than deer or bear, they will be depriving themselves of revenue.
My deer camp in the heart of wolf country has only seen one wolf in ten years. That is with thousands of hours in the woods. |
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Lunkerdog
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| 28 Jan 2012 10:46 AM |
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I saw wolves on 4 occasions that I can think of in 2011. On one of them to wolf had just been shot by the federal trapper. On another the wolf was still alive when I arrived, he wasn't when I left. On a third occasion a pack of several came to our home to try and kill our dogs. On the fourth I was running a machine at work. As I was typing this I remembered a fifth occasion. There is a new logging road that was pushed in last Winter, it's only about 100ft off of HWY53 when we turn on to our road. I always drive by it slowly and look down it. One day as I was coming home there was a wolf walking towards me on that road. When I stopped the car it stood broad side, and we watched each other for 2 or 3 minutes before it walked into the woods. There may have been more sightings, those are the ones I can remember at this point. I guess at 5 sightings in a year I can't say that it's common to see them, but I'm guessing that I see them more often than most people. It's one of the perks of living in Gods Country  There's an area I like to hunt when the conditions are right. It has to be a very dry year, or hard frozen. In 13 seasons I've been there 7 times, I saw wolves on four of them. This past Fall one of the guys in a camp to our West told me that he had put a blind in that area. I told him chances are good for him to see a wolf. Sure enough he saw one on opening day of deer season. It didn't surprise me that the wolves came in after my dogs early last March. But when they killed my old dog on August 18th I was surprised, as they killed him for food, not just territorial reasons. That, combined with the fact that all 3 of the wolves taken by the trapper were under weight, and malnourished tells me that the wolf population in my area is too high to support a healthy population. Another of the guys in the camps to our West had 5 wolves go by him when he was in his stand on the morning of the second Saturday of the rifle season. The local trapper that managed to catch my pup last Winter told me that he had to pull a line of traps a couple of mile South of us because the wolves were taking everything he caught before he could get to them. And a gal that lives in that same area that works at the local store said that they weren't getting as many wolves on their tcams after the trapper took the 3 wolves out of my area. The point to all this rambling is that there are plenty of wolves in my area, and overall sightings are not uncommon. So I agree with TGJ, put the quota in place, and let those that want to hunt them have their chance. |
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Mark_D
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| 29 Jan 2012 04:01 PM |
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Text of e-mail I sent today. Dear Representative Dill, The details of the potential wolf hunt has a lot of people sharing their views. Here are some bullets points that I have formed from the discussion at http://www.huntingclub.com/my-pages...ft/188483. 1. The Wolf Hunt has a very large revenue potential for the DNR 2. Trapping is the most effective way to kill wolves. 3. Hunting would allow more people to participate. 4. A a long hunting season followed by a short trapping season would maximize participation and revenue. Sincerely, Mark |
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Mark_D
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| 30 Jan 2012 07:01 AM |
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Representative Dill's Response Mark: Agree on 2,3,4. Regarding #1: 6000 licenses @ $50. The DNR does not get the $. Fish and game account gets the $. Legislature appropriate. The $ from hunt don't cover cost of wolf management. Regards, David >>> Mark Delamater 1/29/2012 4:58 PM >>>
Dear Representative Dill,
The details of the potential wolf hunt has a lot of people sharing their
views. Here are some bullets points that I have formed from the
discussion at http://www.huntingclub.com/my-pages...ft/188483.
1. The Wolf Hunt has a very large revenue potential for the DNR
2. Trapping is the most effective way to kill wolves.
3. Hunting would allow more people to participate.
4. A a long hunting season followed by a short trapping season
would maximize participation and revenue.
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Lunkerdog
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| 08 Apr 2012 04:28 PM |
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Finally, at least a small amount of common sense in this issue. |
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TOM IN TENNESSEE
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| 09 Apr 2012 05:01 PM |
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Fuggin Cherokee kept us from hunting Sand Hill cranes for last several years because they are "sacred" ! Don't let the Indians fugg up your wolf hunt!!!
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Lunkerdog
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| 09 Apr 2012 09:12 PM |
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Tom, was that a state or federal issue with the cranes?
Hopefully we're past the federal issues at this point, but who knows?
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TOM IN TENNESSEE
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| 11 Apr 2012 02:02 PM |
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Local....our Commission is all political appointees...Cherokee, Audubon Society, Ornthlogical Society,Crane Federation, all AR groups came out against a season but professional staff of Wildlife Agency have been reccommending a hunt for at least five years....hunters didn't show at hearing, AR's did.....let that be a lesson!!
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Lunkerdog
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| 11 Apr 2012 09:06 PM |
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Thanks Tom, we've been warned!!!
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Well, Lunker, first of all sorry about your dog being killed .I know how attached one can be to a dog. Second you are a better man than me. Sorry to say that I would have put a SOS on those wolfs. SOS= Shoot On Sight. Yotes are my problem trying for my pet cat. So I got another dog, cross between ger shepard and rot. Now the yotes stay out of here so far. Not only the dog, but 3 out of four yotes have been planted here so far by shooting. So my hat is off to you SIR. Your restraint is much better than I could ever hope for. I sure hope that reason comes to town and they take the proper steps to help with your wolf problem. Tis a pity they don't let the wolves go in major cities and let the tree huggers see what they do. When nature is out of balance then the total wildlife is hurting. Wolfs have their place but too many ruin it for everyone and everything. Good luck on the wolf hunting season. |
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Mowgle,The problem isn't with "Nature" being out of balance, its the humans in nature. Let me say I am pro a wolf season but the problems the wolves are causing in Minnesota are with the humans. Wolf numbers in Minnesota havn't really changed over the last five years but some how they are responsible for the 7% decline in the statewide deer harvest. I feel sorry that people lose their pets, but that is one of the dangers of living in the woods. That is like someone complaining about pets getting ran over by cars because they live next to a highway. |
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Mark_D
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| 13 Apr 2012 08:48 PM |
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Wolves are a creature of supply and demand. When we have mild winters the supply of food increases. The wolves population follows that increase. When we have a hard winter with lots of deer kill, the wolves get hungry. It is during these times of not enough food that we have the most problem with wolves.  I have posted previously about my own close encounter with wolves. These wolves were hungry to the point of forgetting of being scared of humans. (They were even eating compost scraps out of raised garden plots.) A wolf season will insure that they remain wary of human contact.  -MD |
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Posted By Twolftg on 13 Apr 2012 08:26 PM
Mowgle,The problem isn't with "Nature" being out of balance, its the humans in nature. Let me say I am pro a wolf season but the problems the wolves are causing in Minnesota are with the humans. Wolf numbers in Minnesota havn't really changed over the last five years but some how they are responsible for the 7% decline in the statewide deer harvest. I feel sorry that people lose their pets, but that is one of the dangers of living in the woods. That is like someone complaining about pets getting ran over by cars because they live next to a highway.
Twolf, dang I didn't know whether to quote you or Mark. First let me say that I've never blamed the wolves for a lack of success while deer hunting, Mostly because I haven't had a lack of success since 1976. I haven't taken a deer in the last two seasons, but that was a matter of choice, not a lack of opportunity. Last August when the wolves killed my dog a federal trapper came in. Three wolves were taken out of my area, and I was fortunate to be able to shoot one myself, as the trapper let me tend the traps on the weekends. I'll admit that shooting a wolf in a trap isn't very sporting, but I'll also admit that it was purely an act of vengeance, so I really don't care. The three wolves taken in my area were all under weight, and malnourished. Add to that the fact that they took my dog on August 18th tells me that at least in my area the wolves are over populated, and are competing for food. I'll also add that my tcam pics of deer did drop of quite a bit last year compared to 2010, and 2009 when I started using them. I believe that is in part a result of the harsh 2010/2011 Winter. Mark, maybe I'm a victim of myth. As I've always understood things, that in a Winter like we had in 2010/2011 it's harder on the deer and beneficial to the wolf. The reasoning being that the deer have a harder time getting around in the deeper snow. For me the proof would be that the wolves came in after my dogs in early March last year, an assault I was able to thwart, then again in August when they killed my dog. On the other hand, a Winter like we had in 2011/2012 is more beneficial to the deer, as they can more easily escape the wolves. Of course the cold weather is harder on all wildlife. |
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Lunker,
There is a delay factor in what I was saying. The better the food supply the move pups survive. In Yellowstone after the reintroduction of the wolves for a while the packs were having two litters a year because of the abundant food.
My up close encounter came after the winter of 95/96 which had very deep snow. The encounter probably happened in the spring of 97'.
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Also look at the fact that trappers have been taking 400+ wolves a year for many years. We also know that they have been expanding there territory as the population increases. |
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Mark, do to the rain I had been yanked from day shift to afternoons, and it threw my regimentation out of whack. I was pretty tired last night, and did mis-interpret your post.
Your right about the wolves getting bolder in regard to humans. Not only have I experienced it myself at home, but have discussed it with our local GW, Forrester, the Federal trapper, a local trapper, and many other local hunters. Thus far there is a 100% consensus among us that wolves are in fact getting bolder.
Our Local GW, and Forrester are professionals, with no axe to grind when it comes to wolves. I would say that the Federal trapper may have his own agenda to promote, but really didn't get that feeling from him. He struck me as also being very professional .
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I agree with a wolf season. I also blame the MN DNR for releasing wolves all over the state. Why does the DNR have to mess with free will. They introduce different species of animals into out state and they have no business being in some areas in the first place. The DNR F's up more things than you can shake a stick at. Same with some of the lakes in the state. They introduce new species into a lake and totally wreck it. It's like the DNR releasing wolves in yellowstone. Now the elk population is in danger because of all the wolves. Way to go DNR. way to go. |
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Twolftg
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Posted By cbradow on 15 Apr 2012 05:09 PM
I agree with a wolf season. I also blame the MN DNR for releasing wolves all over the state. Why does the DNR have to mess with free will. They introduce different species of animals into out state and they have no business being in some areas in the first place. The DNR F's up more things than you can shake a stick at. Same with some of the lakes in the state. They introduce new species into a lake and totally wreck it. It's like the DNR releasing wolves in yellowstone. Now the elk population is in danger because of all the wolves. Way to go DNR. way to go.
Why does the DNR have to mess with free will? Look at history we pretty much wiped out the wild buffalo and at one time in the 1930 deer population nationaly was in the estimated in the 300,000. The DNR hasn't introduced anything that wan't once already here, unless you mean the Pheasant. Humans are resposible for their dissaperance in the first place. I think we as outdoors man should appreciate efforts to return our wilderness to what it once was. |
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Lunkerdog
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| 15 Apr 2012 10:45 PM |
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Twolf, was that deer count do to human predation, or a lack of sustainable habitat?
I ask because I know that logging is beneficial for the deer, as it creates a very sustainable habitat for them. The old growth forests of our past were not necessarily the best habitat for whitetails.
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cbradow
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| 16 Apr 2012 10:38 PM |
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The DNR released a bunch of cougars in MN. They dont admit it but they did I'd say those aren't all that natural to our state. I agree with why you say about introducing some animals into the wild to help sustain the population like deer. But they have over done it with the wolf. Read the rest of the reviews. Many if them say that the wolf is over populated. Wolves are attacking people's pets and are not getting enough food. The last wolf I saw was mangy and was traveling alone down roadside ditch. It didn't look very healthy. |
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Lunkerdog
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| 16 Apr 2012 10:59 PM |
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CB, I don't know when you saw the wolf, but they all look pretty ragged around this time of year.
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TGJ
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| 17 Apr 2012 09:08 AM |
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cb
I have to call BS on the cougar statement. Also they are not sending wolves all over the state, wolves migrate on there own to find food or start new packs in new areas.
You give the DNR to much credit for being able to do things and there is no way they could keep thing like that quiet. |
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niemz
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| 17 May 2012 11:14 PM |
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DNR releasing cougars? where? |
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