Am considering reloading these for my Marlin 336. Any suggestions or comments will be appreciated.
Have been reloading for two years now.

Joe Termite

if you want better ballistics try the hornady ftx bullet also known as the leverevolution as with any new load start light and work yoiur way up and since it's a lever gun always full length size

I tried a box and my Marlin 336 did not like them.
Joe

if they were factory loads it maybe different if you reload them different primers powder case ect can have a big effect on what a gun shoots good but definatly experiment thats half of the fun of reloading just treat it like you would any other firearm when working up a load i know barnes is making a triple shock bullet for it and speer a deep curl bullet good luck to ya

I'd try Hornady 200 gr roundnoses and probably Reloder 7 powder as a starting point if I owned one.

Dale

Looked at my Lyman Handbook the only powder I coukd find that they listed was IMR3131.
Have not decided on bullets yet.
Joe

Looked at my Lyman Handbook the only powder I coukd find that they listed was IMR3131.
Have not decided on bullets yet.
Joe

I have used Leverevolution powder with a 200 Gr RN (Sierra or Hornady) with excellent results( Hodgdon's max load - see their website). Standard LR primers and seated to the cannelure with a mild crimp gives me 2300 fps from a 22" bbl NEF Handi-Rifle with 1.3" 100yd groups. This is a standard pressure load and well within the design limits of a Marlin. A Marlin will go up to near 50.000 psi, an additional 150-200 Fps, but I don't think it's worth the much reduced case life and extra wear on the gun. That big blunt RN bullet slows down pretty fast, but it's still a viable 175Yd deer bullet. Just last week I collected a 120lb doe using this load at 75 yds with a shot through the right shoulder joint, a 4" wound cavity through the lungs and heart and a 1/2" diameter exit wound in the left 6th rib. It dashed 35 yds despite the ventricles being totally separated from the atria.
As most reloading manuals will remind you, be careful to not move that tiny shoulder. Many reloading dies can be easily adjusted to create a slight headspace problem and very short brass life. This was apparently done to cope with some of the very early semi-auto rifle designs that requires slightly less than minimum case dimensions to get reliable chambering. Size only enough to get reliable chambering and no more.
I have experimented a little with Speer 180 and 220 Gr bullets, and they are fine projectiles, just no clear advantage in trajectory over the useful range of the cartridge. Besides, I hit an estate sale bargain on several hundred Hornady RN's. The Leverevolution bullets I found to be not that impressive in the 35 Rem, but were outstanding in my BLR in 358 Win on the smallish local deer.(At 2500+fps, the 200 gr RN's were almost explosive and the 225's made relatively small wound channels unless bone or major muscle was hit.)

I looked a bit more, I'd still go with the 200 gr RN but would probably try Leverevolution, IMR 4320, IMR 4895 or H335. 3031 and H 4895 are also options but I prefer small sized powder that flows thru the powder measure better than the big sticks like IMR 3031. As mentioned, check out Hodgdon's website.  Ramshot's TAC and X-Terminator are options too.

I tried posting links but this forum hates me and links so you're gonna have to do it the hard way.

Hodgdon.com and Ramshot.com will get you started.



Dale

Joe, am curious to know if you decided on what powder/bullet combo you will use. I've decided to stuff some 35 Rem casings this year myself. I've been reloading various rifle/handgun cals. for years, but never reloaded for the 35 Rem. I have a set of RCBS dies my brother bought back in the 60's I plan to use after I call RCBS for some insight.
I plan on using Leverevolution powder and Hornady's 200 grn RN ( last week they were $10 per 100 cheaper than Rem's 200 grn RN at Midway USA) and the reviews on performance were favorable. That said, my sons and I have killed many deer through the years using Rem factory 200 grn'rs, so I'm not quite sure what I will use.
Any info will be appreciated

snake, I've run Hornady's 200 gr Spire point in my 358 Win for over 30 years. It's a great bullet. Hornady is nearly always my first grab when I am developing hunting loads.

Dale

Dk. not sure if I want to use a spire point bullet in our Marlins because of their tubular magazines. I am still considering Hornady's 200 grn Flex Tip, but hesitate because of some "not so great in accuracy" reviews on other sites. I'll probably go with the 200 grn RN. What powder did you use in the 358 Win?
About the shoulder/headspace you mentioned on the reloading thread, I sized the casings in/a/w the die instructions. Maybe I better read up on measuring the headspace on the 35 Rem. Like I mentioned, I've never stuffed 35 Rems before. Might be a good idea to order a cartridge headspace gage when I order the bullets.
Oh, BTY, have you heard anything from shovel lately?

Sorry about the ref to the reloading thread. I thought I was still in the cantina. Guess it was too much OLD#7. This getting old SUX.
This site still won't let ne EDIT. Which also SUX.

Still playing around with it. Was using imr 3031 as that was what I could locate. Then I stuck one in the die and busted the die. Went to Cabels's last week they did not have any dies. But did buy some Leverulation powder and bullets. Ordered new dies last night  will start over next week. Also extended our shooting range from 50 to 100 yards.

Will post again when I start getting results.

Also was having problems with my Marlin. Sometimes the shells do not fire even store boughts. Gun is in shop.

Joe

Snake, I wasn't suggesting the Spire point, just mentioning that it worked fine which would leave me to believe the 200 gr RN would work fine also. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

As to powder in the 358, I've run Reloder 7 for pistol bullets and have loaded IMR 4046, IMR 4320 and TAC under the 200 grainers. On another forum, there's a guy who advocates Reloder7 for the 200 grainers but I've never tried that.

As to the headspace, just take your time and set the dies so that cases chamber easy but don't go overboard. Find the point where it takes a little bit extra to chamber them, then set your die down just a bit more. If you set the shoulder back too much, it may cause misfires since the case will be driven forward by the firing pin instead of the primer being set off.

Dale

Dk, I compared (side by side) a few of my already sized, trimmed, and primed casings to both Rem and Fed unfired loaded factory cartridges. The shoulders seem to be exactly in the same spot. Would you recommend a cartridge head space gage? Also, I understand about chambering a round in a bolt action, but can you actually feel the resistance in a lever action. Is their such a thing as a "stiff" bolt in a lever action? I've never chambered a reloaded casing, always used factory ammo.
Any info about Shovel ?

Just an anecdotal account: I tried the Hornady 200 Gr spire point in a 35 Rem Contender with a 14" barrel some time ago. Chronographed velocity was 2030 fps. At 30 yds, I shot an 80 lb whitetail longitudinally, with the bullet entering just over the left 1st rib and exiting the right testicle - a bit over 3 feet of penetration. Every structure that was penetrated had an exact 35 caliber hole. Fortunately that included the heart and the critter dropped in 30 yds, but it was very clear that there was essentially no expansion. It's a great bullet in the 358 Win or 35 Whelen, but a bit iffy in the 35 Rem.
Snake: for lever actions like the Marlin or Winchester, I size to where the casing will just chamber, then turn the die down an additional 1/4 turn. Seems to work. The modest pressures typical for the cartridges used in these actions afford a bit more "grace" in the headspace department than, say, a 270.

Joe
They have a removal tool set for the stuck case in the die problem. It is a good think to have around.

Snake, yeah you'll feel it in the lever if you don't have them sized enough. Also, too much crimp will bulge the neck and that will show up when you try to close the lever. I wouldn't buy a gauge. Go ahead and load them. If you have misfires, that's where the headspace thing is most likely to show up.

I did get an email from Shovel and replied to it but haven't heard a thing since. That was about 2 weeks ago.

Did not know this, will look for one.

Thanks,

Joe

Here is one.
http://www.natchezss.com/product.cf...c=exrbSrch

 

Dk/finepoint, thanks for the info guys, I'm ordering the Hornady 200 grn RN bullets form Midway( $28.99 per 100), will buy the Lever' powder local. I just tried chambering (very carefully) over a dozen of the sized/primed casings in one of our Marlins. The bolt closed slicker than owl poop. They are all "once fired" Rem casings, so I don't think I'll have any headspace problems. The casings I used were collected over, probably 30 yrs, and cleaned up like they were made yesterday.
This is strange, last OCT I took one of the Marlins to the range to test fire in case we needed it for the upcoming deer season. I had 2 brand new boxes( about 5yrs old) of Rem 200grn'rs. First shot was 1" left of center, shot 2 was off the paper!! I near had a sh-t fit. Long story short, my old Tasco 4x was kaput, which I replaced with a Weaver Classic 6x. Anyway, when I collected the spent casings, I noticed 8 out of 11 had split(cracked) necks. Wonder if that brass came from China? Haven't fired any more rounds from those two boxes since. Funny that none of those older casings (123 ea ) had any cracked necks. Strange.
Question: How did Joe's reply to above message end up on the bottom of Page 1?

Figured that out myself. The 'puter must have hiccupped and showed 2 half pages. Just couldn't have been the site.

Hey folks,
Got it figured out.
Using the leveroultion powder and bullets in my .35, it turned out that 38 grains is the ticket. Shooting 1 1/2" groups at 100 yards. This with a 1951 Marlin 336C with a 22" barrel, I am very pleased. In the next couple of weeks, will be extending the range to 200 yards. Will post my results.
Joe Termite