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44-40 for mule deer
Last Post 17 Feb 2013 11:32 AM by kkolisch. 11 Replies.
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28 Jan 2013 02:55 PM �
I was thinking about getting a 44-40 in a lever action to use in the brush and timer here in colorado and was wanting some feedback on what ya'll think if its a good choice for the mulies here... If i'm in the thick brush or in the timber i wont be shooting far... is it too much gun for 100 yards or closer or not enough or just right? input would be nice
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29 Jan 2013 08:52 AM �
it'll do. a 30-30 would be just fine also. same old argument is bigger better?most say yes.what is to big ? you'll get lots of answers. simplest is ,it'll do.and if you ever hunt elk or bear or moose in the timber it might be nice to have the larger caliber
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29 Jan 2013 03:46 PM �
I found out last night that i can't hunt deer with it here in Colorado... because it doesn't have any energy impact of 1000 at 100 yards... and the rifle i was lookin at getting doesn't come in a 30-30 unless i wanna have it custum made and drop a $5000 deposit on it and who knows how much more after its done
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03 Feb 2013 07:16 AM �
I got a Marlin 1895M in 450 Marlin for heavy timber elk and deer hunting. It works very well. Hits like the hammer of Thor. The same could be said for the 45-70. Or you could always go for a lever action in 44 Mag. If it is the nostalgia you want, look for one in 38-55 or you can get one of the ones made in 30-40 Krag or 300 Savage. All are good options with proven calibers and adequate bullet weights and power for 100 yard shots.
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03 Feb 2013 08:35 AM �
Have you thought of a 444 maybe?  I believe it would be the ticket your looking for.  If your looking at nostalgia hunting.  Like what was mentioned before.  The 45-70 is a good one.  A couple others to consider if you can find them would be.  The 45-90, or 45-100.  The 45-100 may be a little over kill.  That was a favorite for buffalo, or bison.  Which ever name you want to call it.
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03 Feb 2013 10:56 AM �
thanks for the info i have a sharps in the 45-70 but im looking for a lever gun like the 1860 henry but they dont come in a caliber i can hunt deer with here in colorado... but that is my dream gun... but the type of lever gun im looking for is something you would see in the old west with the octogan barrel and the 24 inch barrel... so here is another question... I found a Uberti 1876 lever action and it comes in 45-75 so my question is can i shoot a 45-70 round through thr 45-75? or will the case length be off to where the gun wont eject the spent round or is there some other factors that come into play? I really dont want to go that big for deer but i really like the rifle... But im still also looking for a similar gun in a 30-30... I've a lot of people tell me about the newer modern day lever guns but i like the old school cowboy guns
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16 Feb 2013 10:38 AM �
Do you have a micrometer?  The reason I'm asking this is.  The dimensions of the 45-70 case are: base to mouth it is 2.105 inches long.  Rim is .608 in. diameter., mouth is .480, rim is .070 thick,  base at rim is .5055.  If the 45-75 matches these dimensions with the exception of being a little longer.  It may be possible of shooting the 45-70 thru it.  It would be like shooting a 38 in a 357.  Or, a 22short in a 22 long rifle chamber.  Or the 44special in a 44 magnum.  I have to find the rest of my manuals to see if they list the 45-75.  I've been looking in a Sierra manual dated 1978.
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16 Feb 2013 12:12 PM �

I did a little research on line.  Apparently, the 45-75 sharps was the civilian version of the 45-70 Gov. cartridge.  The 45-75 Winchester is a bottle necked cartidge with a fatter case than that of the 45-70.  So, If your wanting to shoot the 45-70 in a 45-75 Sharps.  Then, according to what I read.  It would be perfectly safe.  I did some checking.  The 444 Marlin is faster than the 45-70.  I'll have to find my other manuals.  this maual doesn't give energy levels for any loads.  It just gives bullet density.  It gives four loads for the 180 grain bullet.  And four for the 240 grain bullet.  The fastest is 2500 fps for the 180 grain bullet,and 2300 fps for the 240 grain bullet.  The only weight bullet it shows for the 45-70 is the 300 grain bullet. I'll have to get serious and get my other manuals out.  I have an idea where to find them. I'll check some more and let you know what I find once I find my manuals. 
Did you know that there were 6 different rifles that were built for the 45-70?  And, that they all have different pressure levels that they can handle?  Interesting,Huh?  It shows 4 loads for the MDl 1873 Springfield, Remington Rolling Block, And other old blackpowder replica rifles.  Six loads for the MdL 1886 Winchester.  And, five for the Mdl  1895 Marlin,and Ruger No.1 and 3 rifles.  The marlin and Ruger loads are the hottest and fastest.  the Remington, and Springfield are the slowest. 

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16 Feb 2013 02:07 PM �
Thanks for all the info... i already have a sharpes in a 45-70 but i found a cowboy style lever gun i want that is a 45-75 so i was wondering if that would work to shoot the 45-70 out of the 45-75... but i haven't been able to find anything
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16 Feb 2013 02:07 PM �
Thanks for all the info... i already have a sharpes in a 45-70 but i found a cowboy style lever gun i want that is a 45-75 so i was wondering if that would work to shoot the 45-70 out of the 45-75... but i haven't been able to find anything
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16 Feb 2013 04:03 PM �
As it turns out.  The 45-70 and the 45-75 are the exact same cartridge.  The only difference is that the 45-70 was the military designation.  And 45-75 was the civilian version.  Otherwise,  everthing else  is exactly the same.The cartridge dimensions are identical. Since you have the sharps.  your good.  I got this info on www.chuckhawks.com/buffalocartridges.  Or what I did was google 45-75 sharps.  It gives a run down on all the cartridges that were developed for bison hunting.  Pretty interesting reading I thought.It even says that the 45-90 cartridge is identical to the 45-70.  except for being longer.  The 45-70 can be fired in the 45-90 safely. 
I was also looking into the ballistics of the 444 Marlin compared to the 45-70/75 .  The 444 is a little faster out the muzzle.  Thats it.  The 45-70 kicks butt when it comes to muzzle energy, and 200 yard energy over the 444 Marlin.
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17 Feb 2013 11:32 AM �
so i could buy this lever action 45-75 and shoot a 45-70 through it and be fine?

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