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| 30 Jan 2013 08:06 AM |
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Had a quick question and wanted everyone's opinions. My 10 year old is able to hunt this year and I want to get him a rifle for his birthday. He will be hunting whitetail deer. What size gun would you recommend. |
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yote
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| 30 Jan 2013 09:06 AM |
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if you're worried about getting a caliber he can't handle yet go .243.It is a great deer rifle with very little recoil. if you want something he'll keep a long time and has the versatility to be used for larger game in the future I personally would go with a .270 I have killed most of my big game animals with mine and very seldom needed a second shot.I own A WINCHESTER 70 never had a problem with it.I gave one to my nephew when he was 12 and he could shoot it well but he had been shooting my .223 at coyotes since he was 7 or 8 |
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Big Dawg
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| 30 Jan 2013 09:07 AM |
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Your price to spend ? |
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healey
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| 30 Jan 2013 09:12 AM |
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a youth model in a low recoil cal .243 7mm08 .260 by a gun that as he grows you can buy a adult stock when the time comes and thanks for keeping the hunting tradition alive |
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holly
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| 30 Jan 2013 09:30 AM |
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All that I would have said is already been put up . |
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Tmackjr26
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| 30 Jan 2013 09:31 AM |
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Price wise I'm not real sure yet, guess it depends on the gun. My main concern is not scaring him when he shoots it. That's what happened to me when I was younger, first gun I shot was a 12 gauge slug gun and it almost turned me off of hunting. I also have a 6 year daughter that seems to have an interest in going hunting with dad, so if my son out grows it she would be able to use it. I currently shoot a Remington .280 that I believe would be a good gun for him but wasn't sure. |
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healey
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| 30 Jan 2013 09:43 AM |
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All the more reason to get a low recoil caliber if the gun go's to the daughter later . Every company is making entry level guns these day's at a price almost anyone can afford buy it now and plenty of ammo no telling what lie's ahead form the FEDS and local governments |
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| 30 Jan 2013 10:33 AM |
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I see no need to discuss caliber, seems you're already knowledgeable in that respect. Maybe consider a single shot. Interchangeable barrels/calibers including shotgun barrels. Also, Remington makes reduced recoil loads that allow a shooter to grow up before using full power loads. Good luck with your youngsters. |
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Tmackjr26
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| 30 Jan 2013 11:12 AM |
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Thanks everyone for your opinions. |
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| 30 Jan 2013 11:26 AM |
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+ however many said it already.
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The main concern is to have him wear ear plugs PLUS muffs when shooting ! |
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Steve
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| 30 Jan 2013 06:41 PM |
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depends. what distances are you faced with? |
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| 30 Jan 2013 08:30 PM |
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One little thing to add. The first gun I got for my son was a Rossi youth Tri Fecta (22,243 and 20ga). The single shot 22 was great but both 243 and 20ga kicked like a MULE. The gun is light and it was so rough my son ended up using my 30-06  I have to say though that the gun shoots straight. I have a suggestion if you are talking 150 and under range....44mag. That is my son's second rifle, as it is legal in Indiana to rifle hunt only with handgun cartridges, and it is a nice alternative. H&R Handi and it was only $209 (spent about 150 on nice Burris optics), plus it is also a tackdriver. Just food for thought |
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grandpops
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| 31 Jan 2013 03:15 AM |
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I started my son at about that age with a Ruger 77 chambered in 257 Roberts. He's in his mid 30s now and still uses that rifle for deer hunting. |
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| 31 Jan 2013 04:22 AM |
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Not sure if you are taking opinions yet but here is mine. For a high power hunting rifle for kids, I love the .243. I bought my daughter a .243 to hunt antelope with (she did not do O-dark thirty for deer).
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I bought both my daughters bolt action Ruger .22s to learn to shoot with. I would not start a novice on a high-power rifle; even a .222 or 22-250 can scare a kid. Not because they kick but because they make a big boom when you shoot them. I chose a bolt action because autos for a novice can be dangerous as they put a bullet down range with every pull of the trigger and loading one round at a time is a pain in the behind compared to a bolt or single shot.
I think I have posted before about a guy I know from church whose Dad needs a kick in the pants. Started the guy off with a 12-gauge slug gun that kicked like mule. He is in his late 20s now and before two summers ago flinched so bad that he could hardly keep the slug on the paper at 50 yards. He agreed to let me teach him to shoot. I told him no more shotguns or high-powered rifles until we got rid of the flinch. It took a few sessions to get him to shoot a .22 LR without a flinch and with good trigger control. Then we started to move up, first the .222 and 22-250, then the .243 and finally a .270, 30-06 and then his slug gun. He took a deer that next gun season (his first ever) because he finally could shoot with confidence.
That is a long way of saying, if your son does not shoot a .22 well, then I would start him there and then move to the .243 after he has demonstrated trigger control and good shooting technique. BTW, the .22 is much cheaper to shoot and the practice is not wasted.
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| 31 Jan 2013 05:36 AM |
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I was lucky enought to win a Tikka T3 lite, and chose a 7mm-08. My daughters have been shooting it since they were 8 yrs old and have never complained about the recoil . Reduced recoil ammo is also available. I have taken a few deer with it and I have never needed a second shot. |
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| 31 Jan 2013 05:57 AM |
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First I would like to say we all have opinions. Just because yours will probably be different than mine does not make you any more right then I am. I am saying this for I know I am going to get blasted. I will be turning 59 in a couple of months. Took my hunter education course when I was 14. Back then that was the earliest you were aloud to hunt. My first gun was a Crossman bb gun when I was 12.
So here it comes. It is my opinion that 10 years old is too young. If you want him to sit next to you than ok. Yes I am aware that most of the states are changing there laws, it is just that I am old school. The right to hunt is something that I earned as I got old enough. It was something that I waited for as I got older. My first real gun was a single shot .410 shotgun when I turned 14. When I was 16 my new Ithica model 37 12 guage was it. I still have both of these guns. When I remarried to my current wife her son was 15 and wanted to go hunting. He started with a single shot 12 guage.
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Tmackjr26
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| 31 Jan 2013 07:42 AM |
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Joe I respect your opinion and your right a lot of people do believe that 10 is too young. I always thought 12 was to young. I didn't start until I was 16 and a part of me thought I wasn't ready. Like you my dad thought my son was to young also. Then I reminded him that he has been shooting a bow since he was 4 and shooting a .22 since he was 6. He has been out in the woods scouting and helping with stands since he was 5 and knows more about hunting and rules at 9 then I did at 16. When Wisconsin went to the mentoring program, letting kids hunt at the age of 10, I didn't believe it was a good idea. But now I realize that the rule change is for kids that have been taught since a young age. |
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yote
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| 31 Jan 2013 07:54 AM |
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JOE AND T26, WHILE i DO NOT CONDONE TURNING A 10 YEAR old child loose with a gun without adult supervision,I do believe it is never to early to start teaching gun safety to a child.sometimes it is better to educate than to shield. |
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Tmackjr26
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| 31 Jan 2013 08:00 AM |
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Yote I'm with you on no adult supervision. I still believe 14 is a good age for that like it is here in a wisconsin. The new mentoring law her only allows one firearm between the two of us. Sometimes even 14 is too young for some kids to be unsupervised. |
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healey
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| 31 Jan 2013 08:22 AM |
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Well Joe I don't feel you are wrong but I feel it depends on the child some children are more mature than others and it depends on how they were raised. In my case neither of my children took to hunting when they were young but they were schooled in gun safety at early ages and they booth love to shoot that said I know some adults that have been hunting and shooting all their lives and I would not go in the fields forest or the gun range with them because i don't feel safe around them. I know kids that are safer than most adults because they were thought the right way and it started at an early age |
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healey
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| 31 Jan 2013 08:28 AM |
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Great gun great caliber and the Tika T3 is offered in left handed models |
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yote
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| 31 Jan 2013 08:38 AM |
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healey's exactly right. I had a bb gun at 5, 22at 8 20 gauge by 10 ,12 gauge and 270 by 12(first couple were gifts from my parents,every gun I'VE OWNED from 10 up I payed for myself).I'VE ALWAYS HAD A MAture respect for guns, due mostly to the fact if my dad saw me doing some thing foolish with one he tanned my hide and you better believe I took those lessons to heart.never took a hunter ed course untill I was 14 and we moved to the craphole state of californy. (I think of that time as the lost years)I believe hunter ed is a good IDEA BUT back in those days parents still felt it was thier responsibility to teach thier own children responsibility for thier actions |
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| 31 Jan 2013 08:41 AM |
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I'm 59, and started shooting with a .22 at around 5 and a .12 gauge shotgun around 7. I began deer and dove hunting at 8, and killed my first deer at 10. I was taught not to even point a cap gun at another person, which is the same way I began teaching Travis. I bought him his first BB gun when he was 3, then a Cricket .22 at 5. He started sitting on a deer stand by himself at 8 with a Mossberg youth model 500 bantam, and at 10 he killed his first deer from a ground blind with his Mossberg ATR 100 in .243. He now carries a Beretta .12 gauge semi-auto which he used to kill a deer right after Christmas, and a Savage 110 in 7mm-08 that he killed a deer with at ternera1's place on the 19th of January. He was 16 on January 10th, and averages at least 1 or 2 deer per year........and could do more if he'd still hunt more often. He rather go down in the swamp and sit with the shotgun on a stand while the dogs are running than sit in a tree stand with his rifle.
My point is that each individual child is different. Their desire to hunt, their willingness to learn the basics of gun safety, and their ability to LISTEN and learn, are all the results of parental/guardian guidance. I have never believed in forcing a child to handle a gun, much less go hunting; but, if the child wants to learn I certainly would encourage them at ANY age they exhibit the desire. Like healey I have no notions that age is a requirement for someone to be a safe hunter; and I too, know some people who are twice(or more) Travis' age that I will not go in the woods with. Thankfully, here in SC, we don't have the type of restrictions that many other states have............maybe that's why we don't have the gun related "accidents" that seem to occur in other places!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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healey
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| 31 Jan 2013 08:57 AM |
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Well said and Parental/Guardian guidance is what is missing in this country and is what Obama and the rest of the DC morons should be preaching not more gun laws. when was the last time you heard of a mass shooter as beaning a life long hunter and shooter oh sorry got off subject |
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| 31 Jan 2013 09:00 AM |
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RT ,I agree 100% . the main reason I am for hunter ed is the fact that thier are so many irresponsible adaults out there with guns who were never taught proper care and respect when they were young and have no idea how to teach there children. I COMMEND YOU FOR BEING THE MENTOR YOU ARE, but times have changed and there are fewer and fewer parents teaching thier children with each passing generation(I think that explains a lot of the"ACCIDENTS"  we are seeing nowadays) |
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healey
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| 31 Jan 2013 09:02 AM |
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its all about the training and maturity of the child if a morons doing the teaching the student also becomes a moron |
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yote
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| 31 Jan 2013 09:10 AM |
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rthomas4
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| 31 Jan 2013 09:11 AM |
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yote, thanks, but that is also the reason I DO NOT believe in hunter ed. I think it's the responsibility of the parents/guardians to learn themselves at the side of a mentor and be qualified to mentor the kids. I recently took the SC hunter ed course, in case I won a hunt to Colorado that I was entered in (here it's not required for anyone born prior to June 10, 1979). The course was more about the differences in gun styles, ie, pump, semi-auto, single shot, blackpowder, etc, than it was about actual safety. The largest section in the course was about gauge and caliber. Then there was the section about archery hunting that again didn't have any thing concerning safety in it. After completing the course I felt it was more a gun/archery primer than an actual hunting education curriculum. I guess if there isn't a responsible adult available to mentor the kid, then hunter ed is the next best thing; but I remember when there were things like the scouts and 4-H that filled that void. I will add that Travis is also on the Rifle Team of his NJROTC unit, so evidently I managed to teach him pretty well. |
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healey
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| 31 Jan 2013 09:26 AM |
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Here in Missouri it is mandatory for anyone born after January1967 but are course has a lot of hunter safety in it it a great class but I think it begins at home the parent is responsible for teaching their children firearms safety if you have guns in the home. I know a single mother who lost a son because of these very reasons she was gone and her two boys were home and she had a home protection shotgun under the couch and the boys found it and were each pulling on it one at the stock and one at the barrel and the gun went off and the boy on the barrel was killed you have to teach your kids the right and wrongs of guns early and often if you have them in the house loaded and unlocked |
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| 31 Jan 2013 09:30 AM |
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I know, and agree ,parental(mentor guidance ) is everything. BUT I see no way to keep irresponsible people out of the field without giving up our rights. I would rather they at least had that short coarse(however inadequate I think it may be)then no teaching at all. the coarse was fairly painless and in my oppinion a fair compromise.when I had to take it,we did go out and fire 22's at the range, so there was a minimal ammount of gun safety taught. |
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healey
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| 31 Jan 2013 09:39 AM |
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I think we need both parents and formal training through the state |
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Big Dawg
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| 31 Jan 2013 01:16 PM |
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The 7MM-08 is one that can still be used when the child is older and is a great caliber for both low recoil and it's ability to take deer and black bear. |
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All good points. Back to the original question. The 243 is an excellant cartridge for deer. And, antelope. A friend of mine has a 257. It's another low recoil cartridge. I personally like this one over the 243. It's a flat shooter. My friend had his opened up to an AI, Ackley Improved. |
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| 03 Feb 2013 02:29 AM |
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The age that a youngster, starts huntin', depends upon the matureity and attitude of the child. All 3 of my daughters started shootin' my .22s' as soon as they were big enuff to hold'um , aim'um and shootum. By the time they were 7--8 years old, they were shootin' my .357, with reduced loads. When my oldest was 10, I took a 1899 Savage, .300, and cut it down to fit her. Installed a SkeetIII
recoil pad, and she started huntin' that year. Unfortinantly, she didn't get a deer untill she was 11 tho, but, she did get 6 that year.
By the time my girls reach the age of 9, they were all packin' a .357, when ever we were in the brush, which was probably 3--4 times a week. Of course, that was many years ago, but still today, in this country, it is not unusual to find 8--9 year old boys, with thier own weapons, out in the bush, huntin' with thier Dads or older brothers.
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JoeTermite
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| 03 Feb 2013 08:08 AM |
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I have three grandsons Their age is 12,10 and 7. All three of them have been out back with me at my range. There they were shown what happens when you pull the trigger. They have all shot my .22 s.
All children are curious I remember showing my friends my father's loaded pistol that he kept in a Blue Crown Royal bag in his night stand. Because I knew it was loaded and what happens when you pull the trigger. We did not shot each other. This was 44 years ago. As my grandsons got older my daughter asked me to show the boys. At least now if they go over to a friends house and there are guns present they hopefully will remember what not to do.
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Big Dawg
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I bought my youngest son a Chipmunk .22LR when he was 8yo and he had been going with me hunting starting at 5yo. At 8yo is when I decided he had earned his own rifle and took him to hunting camp and put him in a treestand and left him with instructions to shot only does. I went about 100 yards from him and sat where I could see him but he could not see me. He sat patiently in that stand for a little over 3 hours and that's when I knew he was gonna be a serius hunter. My 2 daughters could outshoot their boyfriends whiel growing and dating. I love my 6.5X55MM Swedish Mauser for it extreme accuracy and very low recoil. The .243, .257. 260, 7MM-08 and even the 6.5X55 would be great choices for your child. The biggest thing is to try and get your hands on as many of these listed as possible and let her shoot them. The let her make her choice as to the one she likes and shoots best. |
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| 07 Feb 2013 04:29 AM |
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my grandfather taught me how to shoot wen i was 8 and i dont think thats to young as long as you have a good teacher to instill good moral fiber |
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So what did you end up buying ????? |
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Tmackjr26
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| 09 Feb 2013 07:44 AM |
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im still looking but i think i might be leaning towards a .243. Im taking my son out this weekend to have him decide what he likes. Thanks everyone for your help and opinions. |
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| 09 Feb 2013 07:55 AM |
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This is just an opinion, but for what it's worth. I started my boy with the Mossberg ATR in .243, but I also made sure that his shots were limited to less than 100 yards. When he killed his first old doe with it, he had a perfect dead center shoulder shot @ 75 yards, and she went down like a ton of bricks. Then she started pushing with her hind legs trying to get away. I had to run up and finish her with a .40 handgun shot in the ear. I know that there are a lot of people who shoot the .243 caliber rifles for deer, and antelope, but I feel that it's a minimal cartridge. I will add that I know of folks who use .223 and .22-250 to shoot deer, but I believe those folks are superb marksmen and I wouldn't attempt to use anything less than 7mm-08. But, as stated that's just my opinion. |
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Tmackjr26
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| 09 Feb 2013 10:37 AM |
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I think im changing my mind and will be going with a 7mm-06. After reading some reviews on it, i seemed to like that one more than the .243. Either way cant go wrong with either one of them. |
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healey
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| 09 Feb 2013 12:12 PM |
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Do you mean the 7mm08 because the 7mm06 would be the 280 rem |
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| 09 Feb 2013 02:46 PM |
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I think he does mean the 7mm08. It is a better round as far as its ability to put an animal down than the 243. Very accurate too. It'll retain more energy for a longer range than the 243. |
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Lol yea I meant 7mm-08, didn't notice the typo |
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All three of my kids shot their first deer before age 10; the boys were both 7, since they were more motivated. Both of the boys used a Rem 600 308 Win loaded down to approximately 30-30 velocities and loaded with 30-30-type bullets to ensure adequate expansion at low velocity. My daughter used a 6mm Rem 788 specially purchased for her southpaw style. She used 90 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips because she liked the "purple bullets." All of them had thousands of rounds of practice with 22's and hundreds of rounds of 308 loaded down to 30 Carbine starting when they were four. (an Anschutz Woodchucker is a great training tool) Each of their deer went down with a clean standing broadside heart shot from 22-45 yds. My eldest shot his second and third deer the next year with a 35 Whelen Improved loaded down to 35 Remington equivalent. They were all sitting on my lap when they fired, with the buttstock over their shoulders and resting on my shoulder - a bit awkward, but the red dot sight was very forgiving. My goal was to produce a close bonding experience; a dead deer was just the icing on the cake. |
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My seven year old grandson has had some experience shooting .22 revolvers and rifles and 20 ga. shotgun. He is slightly large for his age and can handle youth sized long guns. I bought a Mossberg Youth Model 500 in 20 gauge for him to use this year, and I just bought a Rossi Trifecta (got a great deal at Cabela's) for him and his younger cousins (when they get bigger) to shoot. It consists of three interchangeable single shot barrels of .22, .243, and 20 ga. They come with open sights and a Weaver type base for mounting scopes on the rifle barrels |
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I started all of my kids and grandkids shooting at about 6-7 years of age. I started them all on .22's and paid great attention to hearing protection. My two 11-12 year old grandsons use .243 for deer hunting and have recently discovered that my Garand and 1911 are so much fun that I can't afford ammo anymore.
Pay more attention to hearing protection than recoil (up to a point), and don't push them. Make it fun. A Rossi Trifecta in .22-243-20ga. would be a great choice in my opinion.
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| 11 Jun 2013 04:13 AM |
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6.5 x 55 sweedish isnt bad either all depends on how big a cal. he can handle i started shooting 22's wen i was 6 and was shooting a .300 win mag by 12 |
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| Zach / Russell NY |
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bntyhntr6975
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| 11 Jun 2013 11:41 AM |
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A buddy's oldest daughter (now 13) shot her first deer last season with a .243 in a Thompson Center Pro Hunter. It has some recoil management system in the stock. The little Rem 721(i think) youth .243 was a little sharp on the recoil for her, so 1 shot was all she'd do. Shes still pretty small tho. The next daughter (now 11) has no fear of anything but her arms are just too short for even the youth model. Lol. I think she will be using one of my ARs this fall, has a 6 pos stock on it and she can actually get comfy, and still maintain good eye relief. This is the first season that ks is allowing a .223 for deer. Shots will be at or under 100, and it'll put good bullets in a half inch at that range, so no worries. Kids are especially sensitive to recoil, so gotta move up slow, as they progress, or take a chance of scareing them for a long time. His oldest STILL wont shoot hers again. |
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| "Certainly there is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never really care for anything else thereafter." Ernest Hemingway. |
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