lorne miller
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| 10 Dec 2012 05:32 PM |
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I hunt with a 30-30 but I want to go bigger for moose,elk and deer at longer ranges.My problem is I have a bad shoulder.Ihave tried a 7mm and a 308 both made my shoulder hurt after 1 shot. does anyone have any suggestions for me
I wold really like some feed back from others who may have the same problem
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northwoodshunter
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| 10 Dec 2012 06:53 PM |
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what caliber 7mm? personally my favorite rifle is my 257 weatherby its rather heavy but takes the recoil down to about a 243 level also gives me the energy of a 30-06, i have taken deer to 450 yards with it and with premium barnes bullets i have taken black bear against others advice to 200 yards with absolutly no problem i wouldn't hesitate to use it for elk or even moose to sensible range as long as your shot is placed well you would have no problem, i would also suggest the 25-06 the 260 remington |
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deerhunterone
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| 10 Dec 2012 07:39 PM |
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I do not have a bad sholder but a friend does. He uses a 25/06 now has used a 6.5 rem mag. He hunts elk and deer no problems with either. also he hand loads al his ammo.
You might try the 7/08 ,260 rem, 257 roberts I use this one in top notch bullets.
Have you tried any Auto loaders? You can get a Broming in a 300 win Mag and I would think you could get a muzzle brake also. |
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Spike2
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| 10 Dec 2012 08:11 PM |
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welcome to the forums lorne! Bad shoulders are going around alot these days... outside of calibers mentioned, a heavier rifle, a ported or similarly compensated barrel, and a simms? or better recoil pad will help. There are also pads that you can wear or special coats or shirts that have padding to soak up shock. The short action rounds also have a shorter recoil cycle, try one if you can. My wife had these issues and her favorite rifle is her 7mm08. She also has a .243 but likes the 7 better. If you can get a premium bullet in solid copper you can use a lighter weight projectile also reducing the "kick". Good luck in finding what works, stay away from those light weight kevlar or other light stocks, they carry great but hurt the body! |
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canyonman
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| 10 Dec 2012 08:17 PM |
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Consider everything that will make a difference and swing all the factors in your favor. A lot of little differences add up big:
* Rifle weight.
* Caliber. Keep in mind that shorter, fatter cartridges can achieve the same velocity with less powder and less recoil. In a long case as the powder burns from back to front, the powder nearest the bullet is compressed so it burns less efficiently and pushing compressed powder is equivalent to pushing a heavier bullet. The longer the case, the more compression, less efficient and more recoil to achieve the same velocity. This is why all recoil calculators figure in the powder charge weight.
* Bullet weight.
* Stock design (Everytime I've heard of a horrible kicking 7MM Mag it was in a Winchester 70 Synthetic. I'm guessing this had much to do with it.)
* Recoil pad construction.
* Recoil pad width. A wider pad spreads out the recoil. A narrower pad will have a sharper recoil.
* Recoil reducers; eg. Dead Mule or others.
* Muzzle brake.
I'm sure I'm missing some. Anyone, please add other variables.
2 buddys of mine love the performance and low recoil of their 7mm-08's. I've personally never shot one, but its probably a good one to consider.
Bullet design will make more of a difference than a small difference in calibers. The solid copper bullets out there are awesome. I kill elk with a little Barnes 130gn bullet without a problem.
Narrow your search to combinations you have confidence that will do the job with a properly placed bullet, then narrow it to the ones that will make it easiest to properly place the bullet.
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canyonman
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| 10 Dec 2012 08:20 PM |
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Funny. I think I started typing my last post just before Spike2 hit "Submit" on his
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dk99300
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| 10 Dec 2012 08:27 PM |
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I'd suggest a 260 Rem or 6.5X55 Swede. Also possible are the 243 Win, 6mm Rem, and 250 Savage but I would use a Barnes TSX or Nosler Partition or Hornady GMX or something similar in these. 2 other options would be the 7mm-08 and 300 Savage. And the Roberts as mentioned.
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SDOWLING
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| 10 Dec 2012 09:30 PM |
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You may want to consider an autoloader.
All good calibers mentioned.
Look at a Browning Bar.
May lose a little accuracy, but it will shoot much softer. |
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grandpops
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| 11 Dec 2012 03:55 AM |
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Welcome to the boards lorne miller.
All the calibers mentioned above are great choices. I personally lean towards the 257 Roberts and the 7mm-08. Another issue that may be agravating the problem is your body posture/position when shooting. I catch myself quite often, when I'm at the range shooting my rifles from a bench rest position, that I'm prone to lean into the rifle more thus not allowing my body to recoil with the rifle. If I sit up straighter, it allows my body to recoil with the rifle and I don't feel the recoil near as much. Shooting from the prone position is another one that'll hurt more, again because your upper body can't move with the recoil. When hunting, I normally take my shots from the kneeling or sitting position with my back near straight and it's very seldom I even notice the recoil. |
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Spike2
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| 11 Dec 2012 07:54 PM |
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canyonman, great minds and all that.... |
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Oregon Hunter
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| 11 Dec 2012 11:32 PM |
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Hey I've got the same problem ( look up rifle size help. a similer post I put up.) Mostly the same advice I got you have got also. Another thing to look at if you got the money as most of dont look at AR's as recoil gets absorbed by it. You can get most in 223 or the larger 308. Not all AR's are over a grand, S/W has ones from $600. hope your search goes good. ( fyi I'm going to get the new American rifle from Ruger in the .243. There customer support gave me the info that a .243 has approximately 7.2lbs of recoil while the .270 has approx. .270. The .243 has around half the kick of a 30-06.)
Happy Hunting!!!!! |
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BRUSE
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| 13 Dec 2012 10:05 AM |
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I would look at the recoil pad on the rifle. I have 2 mountian rifles one a 25/06 and the other a 280. the 280 has a soft recoil pad and feels like nothing. the 25/06 will get you as the pad is slim and leaves a mark. Just my thought had a good recoil pad and weight. As the lighter the gun the more it will kick. Good luck |
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SteelCandy
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| 05 Jan 2013 11:51 PM |
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IMHO from my personal experience trying to cut down felt recoil due to having shoulder problems I would suggest a good recoil pad 1st. If that is not enough I would try a dead mule recoil reducer. I have a .300 WinMag with a synthetic stock and after adding 2 dead mules I can shoot 20 rounds in 1 afternoon of target practice with no soreness afterward.
2 screws hold the recoil pad in place on my 700. I removed the pad and "dry"fitted the dead mules inside. The dead mules come with a short rubber hose piece. I cut mine lengthwise and wrapped it around the dead mule. This holds the dead mules securely in place, yet removable using a screw driver and wiggling them forward. I was told to use epoxy or expanding foam, etc to install them. I will try to upload pics of it step by step if you would like.
Hope this helps. |
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bigrig
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| 06 Jan 2013 05:53 AM |
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Canyonman made a lot of excellant points. I know a guy who had a Weatherby 300 Weatherby magnum with a synthetic stock that was identical to the ones my brother in law and nephew have. They're's shot just fine. His would leave bruises all over him. Did the same with anyone who shot it. Everything I suggested. they said he did to the rifle. Majorly wierd. Anyway, My brother in law added a limb saver recoil pad, recoil reducer, and a muzzle brake to his. He has shoulder problems too. He says that it shoots real nice now. I have a pachmeyer decelerator recoil pad on my 30-338 magnum. Both recoil pads are good pads. There are others you can get. I can't remember the names of them off hand. Those two seem to be the most popular though. My nephew also has a browning A bolt in 300 win mag. It has a boss on it. I shot it from the prone position. I found it very confortable to shoot even from that position with 3 rounds within 3/4 " at 100 yards. That boss really works well knocking felt recoil down. Oh yeah. I stand 5'4" at 120 lbs. Just to give you an idea of how light the recoil is. |
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g-faber
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| 06 Jan 2013 02:19 PM |
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All of the above, and Remington makes managed recoil rounds in quite a few calibers as well. |
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aaronvan
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| 06 Jan 2013 04:29 PM |
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All I can suggest is a product know as the Danauser counter coil and or a really good muzzel break either one will make the world of difference |
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dgiampietro
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| 06 Jan 2013 07:44 PM |
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Try a .45-70 with a 350 grain Hornady XTC, 53.8 Gr of IMR 3031....just kidding.  Seriously, everything mentioned above plus a couple-few other ideas (sorry if I double-tapped anyone). 1. Consider shooting with the other shoulder; you probably can shoot (ambidextrous) well enough already. 2. Consider using a rifle with a muzzle break; they really do cut down on the recoil, only the shooter next to you will mind.  3. Consider auto-loaders; the modern sporting ARs (like DPMS Oracles) shoot well at long distances, and with very low recoils, all you have to get used-to is the sound of a pogo-stick unless yours will have a hydraulic buffer. 4. Consider staying with a lower cartridge/load; all the stats I have ever seen convinced me that the smaller calibers (when properly placed) can have just as much effectiveness as the larger calibers. Some of the center-fire .22 cal loads penetrate and retain mass better than some of the .30 calibers in the jel-tests I seen. 5. Consider physical therapy; break out the rubber bands and build up the muscles evenly. I don't like to take my own medicine either, but it works for bursitis. 6. Whatever it takes, don't quit doing what you love under any circumstance! |
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rburrows6
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| 07 Jan 2013 05:52 PM |
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Understanding that you have a bad shoulder and what you want to hunt your options are going to be limited. Moose and elk are large animals and can soak up bullets from heavy calibers with good hits and keep going for a long way, not to mention the bad ones and lets face it ,it happens. That said you currently hunt with a 30-30 . Okay so how far is longer range ? I read where someone already mentioned the .300 Savage the old timers used this cartridge for years with great success on elk,moose and bear . If you like lever guns you might consider the .35 Remington or (sadly defunct) .375 Winchester both good cartridges with more power and about the same recoil though distance will not increase greatly. although if you were to opt for a Marlin XLR and Hornadys XLR ammo distance does seem to increase ,at least on paper. Which ever you choose, hunt hard ,get close . |
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oldtimer
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| 28 Jan 2013 12:17 PM |
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Haven't been here for some time but would like to comment. I tried Hornadys leverrevolutions for the first time this year and they make the lever 30-30 a whole new cartrage. If you haven't seen these loads they are a soft tip sprinster bullet that can be used in rifles with tubular mags. this turns your 30-30 into an honest 200 yard rifle. They come in 160 gr factory loads that should be heavy enough for Elk or Moose if you keep the range in reason. You will have to resight your rifle, I shot mine at a deer sized target at 80 yds and shot clean over the top of the target, resighted untill it shot 2" high at 100 yds and this put me 4" low at 200 yds. with a Marlin 336. Had a one shot kill on a 5x5 whitetail at around 90 yds. He took 2 steps and fell,all 4s went in the air and then he never moved. |
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healey
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| 28 Jan 2013 09:54 PM |
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they are great for whitetail but are not designed for heavy game like Elk or Moose not the 30 30 I reload the .35 cal in .358 win and 200gr. bullet is great on deer but would not use them on anything bigger |
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AzSlim
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| 01 Feb 2013 04:12 PM |
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Try a BAR with a BOSS, my daughter started shooting my .300wm when she was 10. The combo of the semi-auto action and BOSS acting as a muzzle break take the bulk of the recoil out. I can see the animal react to the bullet in the scope with a good rest, can't do that with my bolt guns. |
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rthomas4
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| 01 Feb 2013 04:32 PM |
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AzSlim, the only problem with that combo is the shooter needs to wear ear plugs and ear muffs when shooting!!!!!!!! |
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bigrig
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| 16 Feb 2013 07:13 AM |
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Azslim: My nephews Browning A bolt was the same way. It also has a boss on it. What I used for ear plugs. Actually, I was caought off guard when I was asked if I wanted to go with them. I was using cigarette butts for ear plugs. Old Army trick. It works. Anyway, The recoil was very confortable. Felt kinda like my 22-250. Noise level wan't real bad. Even though I was using cigarette butts. |
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