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Questions about hunting land features (from a topo map)
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I have no idea where to post this, so I hope this is a good place... I am looking at various maps of the area on the Eglin AFB
public lands (recreation, hunting, mountain biking, fishing, etc.), such as THE map of the area provided by the folks at the
Jackson Guard office that manage the area, topo maps on My Topo, and after lots of different sets of symbol charts, I've
settled on one from the USGS (can't get much more authoritative than that).
I'm getting the knack of reading the various symbols, contours, etc., but in at least one case, I don't know what it really
means. That would be, "submerged wooded marsh or swamp". Switching to an overhead view, it just looks like an area
of dense trees. What I'm wondering is (several questions):
1) what, exactly, is submerged?
2) if I step into that area, am I walking in a swamp or going swimming?
3) is that likely (if combined with the right terrain around it) to be a good potential spot for deer and/or hogs?
4) the only bodies of water named there are creeks (which, again, in the overhead view are only a few clearly-defined
paths within the area labelled as the submerged wooded marsh/swamp) ... is that a creek flowing within a marsh
or swamp?
Anyone have any experience with these types of areas? For anyone with experience with the Eglin AFB range, I'm
specifically referring to topo map stuff from the Robert's Pond area (management unit).
Thanks,
--jim
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bigrig
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| 07 Oct 2012 07:55 AM |
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Sounds to me like it means that if you step into that area. It's probably a swamp. You may find some area's there that are deep enough to swim in. |
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| 07 Oct 2012 08:08 AM |
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Posted By bigrig on 07 Oct 2012 08:55 AM
Sounds to me like it means that if you step into that area. It's probably a swamp. You may find some area's there that are deep enough to swim in.
Yeah, that's what bothers me. Even with snake-proof gaiters protecting me to my knees, where there's swamp around here, there are sure to be cottonmouths (aka water moccasins). And they're just as bad-tempered as diamondbacks, if not worse. Anyone who has been reading my questions so far knows...I do NOT like venomous snakes. All of my prior hunting experience (as a kid) was in the Texas Hill Country (near Canyou Lake in Comal County). In that area, even in 30 deg temps, you STILL have to watch for rattlesnakes, and if you don't see it before it sees you, it may not give you any warning. Everyone tells me it's just not that way here, but when you grow up with that..... I suppose if I go through this whole season, from November to February for deer, and then through April for small game and turkey, without seeing a rattlesnake or cottonmouth, I might relax a bit more. :-) But then again, another slightly dangerous type of critter known to be in and around swamps is alligators, and when THEY bite you, they don't NEED venom. And if threatened by one, I don't even know where that quarter-sized spot is where a rifle shot can kill them (except that it's somewhere on the head)...miss that, all you do is make 'em mad. Thanks, --jim |
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| 07 Oct 2012 08:47 AM |
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I can deal with snakes as long as I know where they are. I've caught diamondbacks, and Mohave's with nothing but a belt when I was a kid. Remember the real skinny belts we used to wear? I'm originally from Tucson. With a rattlesnake. It will give you a warning that it's in your neighborhood. Most of the time. In the winter. Not so often. With a cottonmouth or water moccasin. It's more of a. Surprise!!!!  I've seen copperheads in the snow in Kansas when I was stationed there. It is spooky when you know there's one there. But, you have no idea exactly where. I'm not afraid of them. I respect them. Some people. Like my inlaws think I'm kinda off the rocker a little. I'll walk over to check the snake out. Then, if it's a safe snake. I'll pick it up. They don't care if it's safe or not. They won't have anything to do with it. I had one occasion when a 7 foot diamond back was in the weeds. That was spooky. Could hear the rattle. But, couldn't see it. Best thing to do is freeze, and back away from the sound. I obviously found it. It's a dead snake now. |
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| 07 Oct 2012 09:03 AM |
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Posted By bigrig on 07 Oct 2012 09:47 AM
I can deal with snakes as long as I know where they are. I've caught diamondbacks, and Mohave's with nothing but a belt when I was a kid. Remember the real skinny belts we used to wear? I'm originally from Tucson. With a rattlesnake. It will give you a warning that it's in your neighborhood. Most of the time. In the winter. Not so often. With a cottonmouth or water moccasin. It's more of a. Surprise!!!! I've seen copperheads in the snow in Kansas when I was stationed there. It is spooky when you know there's one there. But, you have no idea exactly where. I'm not afraid of them. I respect them. Some people. Like my inlaws think I'm kinda off the rocker a little. I'll walk over to check the snake out. Then, if it's a safe snake. I'll pick it up. They don't care if it's safe or not. They won't have anything to do with it. I had one occasion when a 7 foot diamond back was in the weeds. That was spooky. Could hear the rattle. But, couldn't see it. Best thing to do is freeze, and back away from the sound. I obviously found it. It's a dead snake now.
Yeah...while I'm out gathering intel on deer (and hog) movements, the only protection I'm allowed is the snake gaiters, but as soon as the general gun season starts, I'll have my .410 slung with a little improvised sling holster I made from something I got from some hospital visit for one of my cancers. Point is, I can attach this to my belt, and use a strong velcro loop on the other end to hold the shotgun on my right, so it takes the weight from my arm, and allows me to shoot from the hip with the barrel almost point-blank on the snake's head. It might make my right arm sore as hell, but if it kills the snake before it gets a chance to try its luck on me, I'll take it. Of course, the guy from the Jackson Guard office (they run the Eglin AFB public land, and he's out in the field regularly) told me that I'm far more likely to get a deer every day I'm out there than I am to see any snakes. Still, I'll believe it when I see it...maybe. :-) (On that whatever-it-is from the hospital, it's part of something else...no idea what that was, either.) Later, --jim |
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| 07 Oct 2012 09:13 AM |
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I'm inclined to agree that you'll kill more deer than you will see snakes. That's been my experience. Although, there was one occasion when I was in high school. A friend of mine and I ran into 6 snakes in one spot. They went from 3 to 7 feet in length. One of the diamondbacks almost got him. It almost got me too. The 12 ga. I was carrying did a pretty good job of taking its head off at close range. Now, I carry a pistol with snake shot in it. It does a pretty good job of eliminating them. |
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| 07 Oct 2012 09:35 AM |
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If I'm in the woods, I'm armed; period. |
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| 07 Oct 2012 09:45 AM |
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Posted By Steve on 07 Oct 2012 10:35 AM
If I'm in the woods, I'm armed; period.
If you're on the Eglin AFB public land with any kind of firearm outside of the legal season for that weapon (season on EGLIN, which may or may not match Fl law), you are in deep, DEEP trouble. Military bases don't tend to look too kindly on stuff like that. On Hurlburt Field (where I was working in Special Ops Intel), it would be even worse...but then, there is no public land on Hurlburt, so at the very least, you'd get jacked up (face down on the ground, one SF's knee in your back and 9mm to the back of your head, and another SF in front of you with an M-16 pointed directly at your head) and arrested...again, at the very least (how severe would depend on the current THREATCON...you might just get shot). Later, --jim |
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| 07 Oct 2012 09:54 AM |
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I've never heard a rattlesnake rattle, and I've run into tres beaucoup of them! Copperheads, don't travel alone, so if you see one it's not the one you have to worry about, and I've personally never seen one in water, although in the "varmints" forum there's a post from a guy about seeing them in a river. Cotton mouths and moccasins are so deadly that if they get you, you probably won't live long enough to make it out of the swamp, and coral snakes are even worse. I don't worry about the 'gators, you can usually see and hear them much easier than snakes. Also, GT, shoot 'gators where the "smile" ends and you'll kill 'em. Just be quick with getting it out and keep your mouth shut about killing it..........I can give you some skinning tips and some good recipes, if you do get one!   Speaking of snakes, a young kid that hunts with us was driving a pack of pups yesterday and a copperhead struck him. We could see the fang marks and the venom on his snake chaps. He shot it, but either it or one of it's buddies had struck one of the pups on the lip. Usually, young dogs will survive with just some swelling and a lot of thirst for a day or so, we're hoping that's the case this time. |
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| 07 Oct 2012 10:03 AM |
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Just FYI, GT is not my name (it's Jim). GT, in this case, stands for Graham's Tavern (my brewery, which doubles as my front
yard (on brew day), and my living room and/or kitchen (in or out of the lagering fridge) for fermenting, kegging, and serving
(from my keg fridge). :-)
Someone here might have GT as their initials, but it's not me. My usual username, Spooky (also Spooky130u---not sure if I
tried that one or not), was already taken when I created my account here).... And yes, there is a story behind how I got
the nickname Spooky (but that was a long time ago, and it's only by habit that I use it now). With that said, it's 1100, and
I really need to go and do the 1000 Advair.....
Later,
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| 07 Oct 2012 11:12 AM |
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I'll usually use people's user name or an abbreviation of it, til I get to know 'em a little better. I didn't mean to have you think that I thought GT was your name, since you have always ended your posts with the "Later,--jim".
BTW, do you know how to put that in your signature line, if that's what you'd like it to be? |
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| 07 Oct 2012 11:18 AM |
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Posted By rthomas4 on 07 Oct 2012 12:12 PM
BTW, do you know how to put that in your signature line, if that's what you'd like it to be?
Yes. What I don't know is how to get it to show correctly. That's supposed to be: "Later," (or Thanks,) on one line, and " --jim" in the next. But editors like this assume that you didn't mean to show it as you typed it...that what you REALLY wanted was something completely different (I really need to re-phrase that so I can start it with "And now for"). :-) Later, --jim |
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rthomas: I've heard a few rattle. What will really get the hair to stand up on your back is when you hear a buzz, but, don't know exactly where its at. The buzz means your very close. maybe dangerously close. When you back away from it. The buzz will slow down until you hear like a ticking noise. Once your far enough away. The snake will stop rattling. I have seen people ( my wife one time) stand right over them. Luckily the snake was snoozing. I have almost stepped on them a couple times. A diamondback looks almost like a rock when its coiled up and snoozing. The good thing about a coral snake is the its mouth is so small the if it tries to bite. The only areait can actually get you is the web between your fingers. They have a nasty attitude also. Very aggressive. I had one trying to get at me one time in Bisbee,AZ. I changed my position 3 times on a rock I was on while glassing for deer. I finally pulled my pistol out and shot it. |
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| 07 Oct 2012 01:16 PM |
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Posted By GTbrewer on 07 Oct 2012 10:45 AM
Posted By Steve on 07 Oct 2012 10:35 AM
If I'm in the woods, I'm armed; period.
If you're on the Eglin AFB public land with any kind of firearm outside of the legal season for that weapon (season on EGLIN,
which may or may not match Fl law), you are in deep, DEEP trouble. Military bases don't tend to
Ah... yeah, I forgot about that minor detail about where you're gonna be... |
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| 07 Oct 2012 01:17 PM |
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Posted By bigrig on 07 Oct 2012 01:47 PM
rthomas: I've heard a few rattle. What will really get the hair to stand up on your back is when you hear a buzz, but, don't know exactly where its at. The buzz means your very close. maybe dangerously close. When you back away from it. The buzz will slow down until you hear like a ticking noise. Once your far enough away. The snake will stop rattling. I have seen people ( my wife one time) stand right over them. Luckily the snake was snoozing. I have almost stepped on them a couple times. A diamondback looks almost like a rock when its coiled up and snoozing. The good thing about a coral snake is the its mouth is so small the if it tries to bite. The only areait can actually get you is the web between your fingers. They have a nasty attitude also. Very aggressive. I had one trying to get at me one time in Bisbee,AZ. I changed my position 3 times on a rock I was on while glassing for deer. I finally pulled my pistol out and shot it.
I'm happy to say that, while coral snakes are no doubt around here, I've never heard them mentioned as part of the snake threat...just rattlesnakes (mostly diamondbacks) and cottonmouths (or water moccasins, if you prefer). And as for copperheads, everything I've read says that, with the exception of a small child (or puppy, as mentioned earlier in this or another thread), the venom is basically only strong enough to make an adult sick, not dead. Later, --jim |
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| 07 Oct 2012 01:28 PM |
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Posted By Steve on 07 Oct 2012 02:16 PM
Posted By GTbrewer on 07 Oct 2012 10:45 AM
Posted By Steve on 07 Oct 2012 10:35 AM
If I'm in the woods, I'm armed; period.
If you're on the Eglin AFB public land with any kind of firearm outside of the legal season for that weapon (season on EGLIN,
which may or may not match Fl law), you are in deep, DEEP trouble. Military bases don't tend to
Ah... yeah, I forgot about that minor detail about where you're gonna be...
I'm tempted to make this reply nothing but a dozen or so smileys..... But yeah, I've been around long enough to be used to that line of thought, and working in intel just re-enforced it...for example, after 11Sep01, when we were at THREATCON DELTA and later at CHARLIE+, every car was stopped at the checkpoint, and many were inspected. Everyone going through was facing a truck-mounted .50 cal pointed right at their heads until they were cleared. It's hard to forget that (or the reason why it was so very necessary). When the regs say you can ONLY be armed during the appropriate seasons for what you're armed with, people around here know not to challenge that. :-) Well, most people. I'd bet that the ones who moved into what was already stated as the flight path (on take-off) for the F-35s, and then complained and whined about the "noise" (they also didn't know what the phrase, "the sound of freedom" means), weren't smart enough to think about it.... Later, --jim EDIT: PS: Here where I live, I have jets from Eglin flying over all the time, as well as hearing bombing on the range frequently. I usually only notice it by casually wondering what they're bombing the hell out of that day (or night). When I lived on the island, I had sonic booms from time to time...you CAN'T fail to notice those, but they were just part of the daily norm..... Though sometimes, with the bombing, when a really, REALLY big one goes off, you react: "WHOA!!! THAT WAS A BIG ONE! I wonder which bomb that was....." |
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| 07 Oct 2012 01:37 PM |
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Well, thats good to know. I wasn't sure how dangerous they were. I had a drill sergent at Ft. Sill,Ok go completely nuts when I pulled a copperhead out of a hole while we were taking a break in training. I was called the crazy little f+++er  the rest of my time in basic. I stand 5'4". |
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| 07 Oct 2012 01:50 PM |
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Posted By bigrig on 07 Oct 2012 02:37 PM
Well, thats good to know. I wasn't sure how dangerous they were. I had a drill seargent at Ft. Sill,Ok go completely nuts when I pulled a copperhead out of a hole while we were taking a break in training. I was called the crazy little f+++er the rest of my time in basic. I stand 5'4".
Well, I probably would have called you that, too. Even knowing what I've read about them, I still wouldn't want to be struck by one, even if it would probably just make me sick. I don't like venomous snakes unless they're dead venomous snakes. Btw, I've sent an e-mail to a friend I made at the Jackson Guard office (they manage the Eglin public land) who is, along with working in the office, in the field frequently, exactly what the topo map was referring to, specific to that area. I'm hoping to get a reply as early as tomorrow. When I do, I'll post what he says here. If anyone wants to check out the area, pull up a topo map from, say, www.mytopo.com, and find the point where Alligator Creek and Turtle Creek meet (30-28-36.7N and 86-41-05.6W). Sorry about the units...I prefer decimal degrees, but had to set it to match the paper map showing the boundaries of different management units. With MyTopo, you can pull the area up as a topo map, and then switch it to an aerial view with one mouse click. Later, --jim |
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| 08 Oct 2012 09:35 AM |
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Jim, you can go into "settings" and enter what you want for your signature line, then it will be separated from your post by a line running across the box, like below. |
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| 08 Oct 2012 09:41 AM |
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Posted By rthomas4 on 08 Oct 2012 10:35 AM
Jim, you can go into "settings" and enter what you want for your signature line, then it will be separated from your post by a line running across the box, like below.
I know...I just haven't bothered with putting a signature on here yet. Most of the time, with these forum type "editors", the spaces that are in my signatures that keep things aligned are all collapsed to one, and it looks horrible, so I usually just don't bother. Later, --jim |
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| 08 Oct 2012 02:12 PM |
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Peter da Silva: No, try "rm -rf /"
Dave Aronson: As your life flashes before your eyes, in the unit of time known as an ohnosecond....
 I spent a LOT of years as a software engineer. Started on Jes 3 systems and moved on to UNIX/AIX/SunOS/HP and then to Linux as they evolved. As such, I always had root auth to my systems. Shot myself in the foot many times over the years with an rm -fr * sequence! Thank gawd we had an excellent backup strategy! (yeah, of course I disabled the safe version of rm on my system -  )
Thanks for the chuckle.
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| 08 Oct 2012 03:47 PM |
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Posted By Steve on 08 Oct 2012 03:12 PM
Peter da Silva: No, try "rm -rf /"
Dave Aronson: As your life flashes before your eyes, in the unit of time known as an ohnosecond....
I spent a LOT of years as a software engineer. Started on Jes 3 systems and moved on to UNIX/AIX/SunOS/HP and then to Linux as they evolved. As such, I always had root auth to my systems. Shot myself in the foot many times over the years with an rm -fr * sequence! Thank gawd we had an excellent backup strategy! (yeah, of course I disabled the safe version of rm on my system - )
Thanks for the chuckle.
That's why you never, ever run as root unless you absolutely require root privs..... I always set myself up as wheel (or system, on some Unix variants) so I can do most things...and if I really must have root, I'll just su or su -. That, btw, is one of the problems I have with typing here....I keep wanting to use ESC to go to command mode, then b0$hjkl (etc.) for moving the cursor, and using TAB to indent by my tabskip (set to 3 normally). :-) That, or I try to use the abbrevs I have in my ~/.vimrc .....and for a second, wonder why they're not working. :-) Later, --jim |
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| 09 Oct 2012 01:19 PM |
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Damn, ya'll may as well be talking in Arabic or Spic cause I'll be damned if I know anything that was posted in those last two posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Sorry rt, we kinda are. It's AIX/UNIX/Linux speak - it's a totally different operating system than WinBLOWS. The rm -r * command says to immediately remove all files, sub-directories and their contents beginning with the current directory. Problem is; you'd BETTER make sure of the directory you're in! Once you hit enter, it's too late because as Murpys Law would dictate, it ALWAYS starts with the most important files and directories first. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming...  |
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| 09 Oct 2012 06:23 PM |
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Posted By Steve on 09 Oct 2012 06:16 PM
Sorry rt, we kinda are. It's AIX/UNIX/Linux speak - it's a totally different operating system than WinBLOWS. The rm -r * command says to immediately remove all files, sub-directories and their contents beginning with the current directory. Problem is; you'd BETTER make sure of the directory you're in! Once you hit enter, it's too late because as Murpys Law would dictate, it ALWAYS starts with the most important files and directories first.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming...
Not quite..... First, WinBlows is one name, but my favorite is Windoze. Windoze comes from Mickeysoft, aka M$. As for rm -rf, its risk goes even farther. Let's say you're in the very top directory (root, or /). You mean to remove some temporary files (*.tmp). But you acciidentally tap the space bar and don't notice it, and you enter "rm -rf * .tmp". The first indication that you've completely fscked[1], is the following error message: /bin/rm: file busy (meaning /bin/rm can't remove itself because it's in use ... removing the rest of the system). Thus the term "ohnosecond" used in a very old post from the Usenet newsgroup alt.sysadmin.recovery. [1] fsck is file system check ... kind of like M$'s chkdsk, except far more dangerous if you don't know what you're doing, and is not pronounced as it's spelled ....... to know how it's pronounced, you need to change the second letter. This is explained by DMR (Dennis M. Ritchie, one of the creators of Unix) in the following quote: DMR: So fsck was originally called something else. Q: So what was it called? DMR: Well, the second letter was different. --Dennis M. Ritchie, Usenix, June 1998. Later, --jim PS: if you use fsck, and don't know what you're doing, its pronunciation describes what it can (and probably will) do to your filesystem (similar to a hard drive partition on an M$ system, at least, at the overall concept level). NOW we return you to your regularly scheduled programming (well, not programming, as such, but...)...... |
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Peter da Silva: No, try "rm -rf /"
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Check out the two images (attached). This is a spot I found in a different management area (Jackson South) that, if I'm reading the map right, looks promising. Two creeks intersect between two areas that go from ground level to about 45 to 50 feet in a small area on all sides (it makes a + type intersection). I've picked out a spot (see the zoomed-in image) in one of the corners that, again, if I'm reading this right, which I THINK will be a great (potential) spot; at the very least, I'm thinking it's a good spot to check before the deer season starts on 22Nov (through 25Nov for this early bit). Does anyone think I'm A) right to think it's a good place to check, or B) completely wrong ? Btw, this editor SAYS that the two image files are attached. If not, I've uploaded them at http://www.jstrack.org/imagery/ (the ones attached may also not be full-sized, either, but then, neither are the two jpegs on my JStrack site...the REAL full-sized images are png files I converted from the tiff images, but the jpegs on my site are probably bigger, based on file size, than the ones here). Thanks, ---jim |
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Peter da Silva: No, try "rm -rf /"
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Where is the question about hunting land features on a topo map? Either I'm more iliterate on this thing than I thought. Or, I totally missed the question with all the tec talk. |
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Posted By bigrig on 20 Oct 2012 12:21 PM
Where is the question about hunting land features on a topo map? Either I'm more iliterate on this thing than I thought. Or, I totally missed the question with all the tec talk.
The question was what does "submerged wooded marsh or swamp" mean? But now, having been out there last Tuesday and Wednesday, I know what it means: it means it's dry land with a creek running through it, and a *LOT* of deer tracks and a BIG pile of droppings on the road. As for the tracks, they were all over the road (red clay) and the sides of the road (beach sand), and there were tiny tracks (clearly from multiple fawns), medium-sized tracks (does or small bucks) and a set of HUGE tracks, some of which were also very deep (one, in particular, was about 2 inches deep in sand). I checked out three other areas (one based on looking over the three maps---the Eglin Range map you get when you buy your permit, a topo map, and Google Earth (terrain map). The other two spots were ones I just passed while driving by them and checked them out just because..... One of those last two was too close to the road (minimum 200 yards) at its most distant point, so it was out. The other spontaneous one had a closed gate (temporarily off-limits), but I checked out the area before the gate, and it had three piles of large deer droppings. The other area I'd intended to check (which is also where I got my little Honda Civic Si stuck in sand on Tuesday---it was tightly packed down and driving on it was easy...until it wasn't) had tracks EVERYWHERE, again, all sizes from very small to huge and very deep. And at the entrance, there were acorns all over the place on the ground. That one opened up to a big, open field. So basically, in this part of the Eglin AFB public land, every area I checked had abundant deer sign. Oh, and for those who aren't familiar with the beach sand in this area, NO tracks are going to last very long at all in that sand; the same is true for the clay that makes up the two main roads I CAN drive on, where I saw lots of tracks at the first spot (the "swamp"). When the four-day early general gun season opens on 21Nov (it's the Early Archery season now), I'll be ready with three different spots to hunt. The plan is to rotate to the next spot after shooting anything at the current spot. Between that, and (during the longer general gun and late archery/muzzleloader seasons) hunting primarily on weekdays (when most potential hunters are more likely to be at work), I'm hoping that the deer will feel less pressure on the weekdays. That plan has, so far, been met with positive responses, so I think it'll help. If not, oh well...no loss either way. I'll need the weekends to rest, either way. Later, --jim PS: On Eglin, the daily limit for deer is two. The season limit is NO LIMIT. And for hogs, the only limit is take as many as you possibly can, but only during the specific seasons when taking hogs is permitted. |
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THE SCORE: ME: 2 CANCER 0 // 73 DE N5IAL (/4) // < Running Mac OS X Lion >
ICBM / Hurricane: 30.44406N 86.59909W
Peter da Silva: No, try "rm -rf /"
Dave Aronson: As your life flashes before your eyes, in the unit of time known as an ohnosecond....
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