i just joined and payed for 2 years,and was supose to get a free knife and cook book for joing,i have not received it yet,and want to know why but have no way to call them and find out why.

Read all of the complaints already posted in the different forums, use the contact the club button at the bottom of the page in order to send them a PM, and get in line. You might get the matter resolved sometime within the next year, if you're luc ky!!!!! Unfortuately, posting problems such as this on the forums won't get you any help from the company, since the only time a company rep bothers to read any of the threads, is when some LCERB, board cop makes a complaint about someones post. See, you didn't actually join a "club", you donated to a company!!!!!!!!!!!

And so, yet another, dissatisfied new member wastes their first post on a complaint that will never be cured on this BB. Welcome to the club, and take RT4's advice. Or if you got any kind of inviting literature at all from the club, look for a phone number and start dialing.

This publication is a scam....you never get "free stuff" and they attempt to push their elementry hunting books. Wasted my money on this crooked company.... I have sent my complaints to BBB and Consumer Protection...

Capt. Jim

Hey All,

Sorry to pop in but lbertell I have sent you a PM in regards to your free membership gifts.  jeggleston please feel free to send me a PM and I would be happy to answer any questions or concerns that you may have in regards to your membership.  I apologize for any inconvenience. 

Thanks for being a member,

Shawn
Web Master

Hey shawn; what about RT4 he's been waiting FOR YEARS.

Hey Shawn send rt something real good not sme cheap stuff so he will stop complaining .Haveyou not heard him you are answering everyone else .

I don't complain, intentionally, I try to make a point to all of those who do complain, that since the majority of them are relative newcomers, they should get a grip and reallize that there are some of us who have been around a hell of a lot longer and never received any freebies. Like I've said, I figure I've gotten my money's worth from the mags. At this point, it's actually become sort of a badge of pride when I consider how long I've been a member, and never gotten anything!!!!!!!

Hey rthomas4,

I apologize as I should have addressed your question or concerns as well. I have sent you a PM in regards to your product testing status (I think that is what you are referring to?). Again, sorry about that.

Thanks for being a member,

Shawn
Web Master

Web Master Shawn, thanks for the PM, really, after 34 years of membership, you are telling me that I will definitely get a test item sometime in the next three months or so? That's utterly unbelievable! Now, if I can just live long enough to see it!!!!!

I agree this thing is a total rip off and the stupid books they try to get you to buy!!! I don't think anyone gets the free stuff are gets to try anything it all bull crap!!!!

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I joined back in Jan. this year. I had been dropped do to a mess up on their CP. I called and was reinstated. I joined not for all the so called test stuff and I don't like stuff pushed on me. If I see something I like and it's got good reviews I would buy it just don't push it on me. I enjoy the Camaraderie of the hunting world and there is a lot of people on here that don't talk BULL and or down to earth hunters. I'm sure you will get your gift, call them again! Jesse

chill6 nothing in life is free but I actually did receive everything the club offered me when I joined sorry to hear so many members having problems.the only thing I ever got to test was some cheap rust inhibitor strips,I evaluated them and decided they were no better than a cut up cardboard box so I don't expect I'll ever get to test anything else.In retrospect I probably should have lied and said they were the best product I ever saw

chill6 nothing in life is free but I actually did receive everything the club offered me when I joined sorry to hear so many members having problems.the only thing I ever got to test was some cheap rust inhibitor strips,I evaluated them and decided they were no better than a cut up cardboard box so I don't expect I'll ever get to test anything else.In retrospect I probably should have lied and said they were the best product I ever saw


                                  is there an echo in here

Hey I got free invite too plant a bunch of tree seedlings. ( I LIVE IN A TOWNHOUSE ) IN THE MIDDLE OF A CITY.! TROPHY LIFE MEMBER

Buck 3001, Hell plant one on the roof. :-)

Are the grounds landscaped? If so, plant 'em in the landscaped areas!!! After all, haven't you heard about all of those deer that live in city areas, that feed on peoples flowers? This might provide you an opportunity, if you use archery tackle to deer hunt!! Think about it, take the window screen out of one of your upstairs windows, and shoot one in the flower beds, while they are rubbing or eating on your trees!!!!!!

Yea, do that and maybe you'll kill a Booner!!!

I joined in 81 and have been a Lifer since 88 and have been sent lots of free stuff.  I notice with more members in the club, the wait for a test product has become much longer and some of the stuff isn't worth much, but I still get some nice stuff every now and then.  Just be sure your test request is in and you filled it out right and hang in there.  It will come eventually.

I go through and read these types of threads every once in awhile for entertainment, but don't usually get too involved or the ends of my fingers would lose feeling. I've gotten a couple small things over 20ish years and anything is better than nothing. I was curious today what the yearly cost of membership is to get these nubies so upset these days since I've been a LM for 17 yrs. It is $1 a month, and the first magazine is free, as is the "free stuff" if you cancel. So $12 a year, $12. It says that $10 is for the magazine. Isn't $12 about the going rate or less for a yearly magazine subcription alone? The chance to get anything is just a bonus, and I'm certain we all waste $1 a month on something else. If the club didn't have to have so much storage on the website for "free stuff" posts they could probably afford to get us all more "free stuff".

Wow, I just joined and paid my dues only to have read this. I hope this company promises to be alittle better than I have read. Actions speak louder than words, so heres to giving them the benefit of the doubt!!!!!!!

hey im happy!!!   i just got my 1st mag this year and its only march now!! im happy now!! it is so thin i could hardly recognize it but it has been 4 or 5 months since i have seen one., maybe i just don't remember but i could swear that 10 or 15 years ago they came every month and were twice the thickness and had many articles that i would enjoy reading!! . north american hunting stuff about hunting in north america , maybe even in the mid west farms and woods without guides and expensive stuff like that. i'm gona sit down for a half a hour and read it from cover to cover. if-n  i don't have but 20 min. ill skip the ads and opinions and read it twice!!!

bullsi---Poor old jmcglauglin is in for big surprise isn't he, LOL! Another poor guy the Club suckered in, ha!!!  Hey dude, the only thing this Club is good for is taking peoples's money with a lot of promises that are not  fulfilled

I am disgusted. I joined last year. Then I ended up in the hospital for major surgery. Since recovering I discovered that I was not sent every issue. I thought, no big deal, I'll call them. The guy I spoke with in January was very nice and told me they were still available and I would receive them shortly. Well, needless to say they never came. So I called again a couple of days ago. This time I was told too bad, that basically it is my fault to begin with as I should have called the very day they didn't show up! So I am receiving none of the issues I had paid for and no other alternative compensation for it either. Thanks North American Hunting Club for stealing and then insulting me as a disabled person!

Oh another thing that disgust me and should every paid member of this club. Why are we buying and/or receiving items that are made in third world countries? We are supposed to be so proud of Our Supposed Heritage according to all the damn paperwork advertising for these items!

And the beat goes on with another newbie coming on to say he got screwed by the Club

Same sheit, different sheithead!!!

I did not say it this time .

Say what you will, but I recently "Upgraded" toTLM, (Bite your tongue RT4! LOL) and just recieved their welcome/membership package. Not a quirk to be experienced in the whole process. And it all happened in less than 2 weeks. I got all the "FREE STUFF" that they said they would send, and all the rules/regulations regarding the process. The free gift was a goofy, but functional lens cleaner. (Don't know or care if I'll ever use it.) And the test product is a CRKT Pazoda 6480 pocket knife. Nice one at that. Yes, they also threw in the cheezy baseball cap and a decal. But I also have the ($20.00) gift card from Cabela's and on my way to recooping the $120.00 upgrade fee from the discounts on that card and the other stuff. RT4, if you don't get your stuff that webby promised last week, let me know. I'll send you this stuff. (But I'm keeping the Cabela's card) That being said, to each his own. I know alot of you out there respect my move and the results of such. At the same time, I know that some think it was a foolish move. But it raised no qualms between myself and the club or the members, so it obviousely can be respected by the other respecting members of the club. The newbies that complain about the "Freebies" need to learn how to enter into a contractual agreement in a knowledgeable and responsible/mature manner. That's all.

Shootin'J, I would never criticize anyone for doing anything that they feel is a value to them. Your post is proof positive that most of these one-time posters, didn't bother to read the fine print, and signed up for all of the wrong reasons. Congrats on doing what you feel was a good decision for you, and I honestly hope that you continue to receive the benefits that TLM can offer to you! BTW, any CRKT knife is guaranteed to be of great quality, they have an excellent reputation!

My reasons for not becoming a TLM, simply boil down to the fact that none of the benefits woud be of value to me, and after becoming a LM, I felt betrayed when the TLM program came out! Since I'm on disability, and living off of my mediocre Soc. Sec., I would never be able to take advantage of any of the hunting packages, guide services, etc., and I don't have a Cabela's within 500 miles of where I live ( everytime I've ordered something from them, there has been a problem, so I'm not a fan of theirs)!
Here's wishing you continued success and enjoyment of your upgrade!

Thanks RT. Here's a tidbit of info that might get some whiners to see the light on things. In my upgrade to the TLM I recieved EVERYTHING the club promised in my member packet (In less than a weeks time too.). Included was 1; The CRKT knife, a $25.00 value), 2; The $30.00 credit for maps from MY Topo Maps, and 3; A $20.00 gift certificate from Northern Tools. (Among the rest of the contents of the package) That's $75.00 back for upgrading. Which is more than 1/2 of what the dues was. And I will be recooping the balance through the Cabela's reward program that was also offered as part of the upgrade. So in the long run, I will have upgraded FOR FREE. On another note; some time ago, I was having problems receiving the monthly magazine. (Didn't get three months in a row.) I made 1 phone call to C/S and rationally explained the situation while requesting the issues be sent. They sent me the issues with no questions asked, AND also sent me a CRKT knife (worth $35.00) for my inconvenience. Havn't had any problems since. By the way, the prices on these knives are straight from the CRKT web site. So to P & M on this web site is obviousely gonna do you no good. Keep your head and patiently call/work with C/S, and you might just satisfy yourself. The money you pay for joining this club and/or upgrading your membership is no more wasted than the $1, $5, $10 or whatever amount the same P&M members squirt away (Sometimes for years) on lottery tickets that never produced a long term gain. Or gambeling on sports or any other venue. Or even playing cards. Go complain to all those entities and see what you get. The same thing you get here. ZIP! Think before you spend, and research what you are spending it on before you make hasty decisions that you will regret later. And not to mention; that you will have no one to blame in the end except yourself. Personally, I have gotten real tired of constantly reading all the complaints of (Mostly Newbie) members P & M about not getting nothin. But in the years I have been watching this board, I read little to no posts about how the members resolve their issues with the club. Folks are quick to jump on the freebies, but neglect to rationally resolve the issues that arise when things don't get handed to them AS THEY SEE IT. Or post the positive results when they do resolve something. Nuff said.

Right on Shootin `j, my gull fren updated my membership to TLM as a Christmas gift. Got everything you did except the hat and sticker. and don`t really don`t care about that. Still have the hat I got when I first joined the club in 04. Only Cabela's around me is in MI. but I do go there one in a while ad If I remember the coupon don`t expire and I can always order online. Have already used the Northern Tool one. Did`t get a mag. for a couple months contacted the club and the sent them no problem. All the whinning is getting old.

I am fine with my membership. Been in since 1989. I upgraded to Trophy and got the extra do-dads. With over 800,000 members the chances to get selected as a Product Tester is there for you to do the match. The Inside Track email looks like it has some good discounts on gear. What attracted me initially to the magazine was the "You call th e Shots" section. New to hunting, I found them a quick visual and written outline that I could match my judgement against. Now, decades later, I still enjoy testing my judgement against the answer in that section. So, like many I would like to be selected as a Product Tester for something really interesting but I do not fret about being selected. Perhaps we need to turn this overall forum into a positive interesting sharing of information forum personal pecuniary interests

FLINTLOCK1776: Right on SEMPER FI.

went back through my TLM kit and found the sticker.

J.Rodrigues .You must have been a marine .

Posted By lbertell on 19 Feb 2011 05:44 PM
i just joined and payed for 2 years,and was supose to get a free knife and cook book for joing,i have not received it yet,and want to know why but have no way to call them and find out why.

I have been in the club for two months and I haven't recieved my knife and cookbook.I think this is a total ripoff..Oh and you can write a letter and send it to them telling them you haven't recieved the cookbook and knive yet.Hope that helps and you and me are very alike for some odd reason.

I've been getting only a few free stuff.I got a whitetail wisdom book and a coin.

Boo hoo hoo, waaa, waaa, sniff, sniff, !!!!!!!!!!!!! Same sheit, just different sheit heads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Read all of the damn threads, your crying and beitching is just one or two of many, and some have been members for over 30 years, and some for less than a month!

Go to the bottom of this page and go into contact the club either by email or the phone number they list .Complaining on here wont do you any good ..Stop b i t c h i n g on here .

This post is a prime example of what we are trying to make you people see. Some people whine here, and others try to help them by directing them to c/s or the contacts links on the site, but they (The original complainers) obviousely strive not to read/utilize and comprehend the aid that is offered. THEY JUST WON"T STOP COMPLAINING!!!! PLEASE MAKE THEM GO AWAY!!!! I have a new bit of advise for future whiney posts. To those that post whiney complaints I will simply reply "THEN QUIT THE CLUB!" "You will be one less useless, greedy, whiney freeloader that the rest of us will have to tolerate." Gimme 2 days, and I can almost guarentee you that someone (And it will probably be a newbie!) will give me the first opportunity to use my new reply. Gosh!; this is S-O-O-O-O old. Hey webbie; why don't you start a new forum specifically for these people? You can call it "The Whiners Circle of freeloading fools."

I sure wouldn't argue on that 2 day time frame and I love your suggestion to Webby

Shootin'J, As you and I have noted in the past, most of these folks obviously didn't bother to read the membership agreement in the first place, and secondly every single gripe, complaint, and beitch (as I repeatedly advise) has been asked, and answered somewhere on this BB. Even when given the information on how to contact customer service, many of these whiners continue their rants, so obviously they aren't capable of following simple directions posted in reply to their rant! Like I've started commenting, same old sheit--different sheithead!!! Also, I'd be willing to bet that it probably won' even take 2 days!!!!!! As for your suggestion to webby, we'll probably have this entire thread deleted, since we aren't being PC!!!!!!!!!!!!

i really enjoy the forums and the posts mostly. but damn shootin you hit the nail on the head with yours. it was what i've been thinking exactly and you put it down on the post perfect. you join the club for the mag and the knowledge freely shared on these posts( and some times the "off humour" ). if you joined for the free stuff please don't become a life member and then just drift away when your membership expires. oh yeah..quietly drift away. good input as usual rt.

Well folks; I guess an apology is in order. But I am glad to say that I was wrong. No complaints for 2 days (That I saw anyway.) I guess the whiners are in spring break for a couple days. (I should have originally said a month instead of 2 days.) Oh well it was a peaceful 2 days.

It appears that I, too, was mistaken!

You actually won your bet! Just go up to the question area and you'll find another newbie with a first post complaining about the price of a NAHC knife and not getting any testing stuff, yada yada yada

Bummer!; Heavy sigh!; We're outnumbered, and webby don't care.

I agree. The whining is excessive and takes away from the regular dialog that should be going on with a hunting forum.

just curious why you guys seem to think it's OK for you to whine and ***** about the whiners and *****ers?  seems to me you are doing the same thing?  the intelligent thing to do would be to ignore their posts?  or does this board have new board cops that think they have to respond to everything?  people crack me up.  complain about complainers.  not sure, but pretty sure they are NOT breaking any of the TOS.  so, except for trying to keep them from speaking their piece, what's the point?  and the continuing pointing out of the "fine print" is a joke.  don't believe that anyone here read it.  so why the continual pointing out of it?

don't care if anyone responds.  reading the hypocrisy is worth the humor it provides.

and flintlock, this is NOT a hunting forum only.  those do not last.  want proof, how's the archers choice board doing?  want more proof?  look at the number of posts and views and see what the most popular sections are.

That is why i dont answer this s h i t any more .

Me being a supervisor I get complaints all the time from my workers not getting paid enough. I tell them they don't have to work here, they are free to work some place else. Some one can have my $20 cabelas certificate. I buy whole sale so it doesn't do me any good.

TLC, couldn't agree more.

Hypocrit; Ignorant; what's the difference? Can't "Ignore" an opportunity to possibly help a fellow member. It is those that "Ignore" the fine print or the opportunity to help/better themselves or a fellow member that are at the short end of things. This isn't a "ME" world. If one wants something, then they must work to get it. As so many of our fore-fathers did. And to offer that info to someone else doesn't make them a hypocrit. To do nothing and complain is just that. Complaining. To offer help and explain the negative response from the ignorant is not hypocrocy. It's merely offering the end results for others to see. Any personal feelings included are just personal "opinions", and even an idiot OR hypocrit should be able to muster up the respect for that. What would life be if we all "JUST IGNORED" all of the negative things that happen in society? I guess we would all just be hypocrits.

hypocrisy is saying one thing and then doing(saying)something else.  wonder if we have an example anywhere?

"(The original complainers) obviousely strive not to read/utilize and comprehend the aid that is offered. THEY JUST WON"T STOP COMPLAINING!!!! PLEASE MAKE THEM GO AWAY!!!! I have a new bit of advise for future whiney posts. To those that post whiney complaints I will simply reply "THEN QUIT THE CLUB!" "You will be one less useless, greedy, whiney freeloader that the rest of us will have to tolerate." "

and now, you say this -

"Can't "Ignore" an opportunity to possibly help a fellow member."

so first you tell them to quit the club and go away, then you say you are helping them.  that is the definition of hypocrisy.

ignorance - not knowing the difference. 

and I love this one.  shame on you for breaking the TOS. 

"To offer help and explain the negative response from the ignorant is not hypocrocy."

so you call people who have negative responses ignorant?  who are you to call someone else ignorant?  you're a member just like they are.  what makes you less ignorant than them?  because you've been here longer?  if that's the case, you are more ignorant than most here due to the time you've been here.  sounds pretty stupid to me.

this board, and all boards out there on the WWW, are for ALL members to use as they see fit.  if they want to complain, it is not up to you, or anyone else to tell them to stop.  they paid their dues just like everyone else on this board.  and just for my own little bit of FYI.  wondering if you would tell any of the long time members of this board to stop whining/complaining?  have noticed no one says anything to the old timers when they complain about the new trophy life membership.  so being the curious person I am, why is that?  do the folks that have been here more than a year or two get more respect(for lack of a better word), than the new folks?  and if so, why?  aren't they complaining, also?  shouldn't they be reprimanded, also?  if webby doesn't have a problem with it, why does another member?  must not be hurting anything.  hell, they have 329,646 members on this board.  of course, since some have passed away, that number may be skewed just a bit.

The original point was obviousely missed or misunderstood, and I don't care to get into a heated argument over it. If I mislead anyone, my apologies are offered. To be a long term member and experience years of shortcomings is one thing. And I believe that the "Old timers have earned the respect of the other members to make their statement; Not complaint. (And it usually isn't based on "I didn't get my free stuff.) For a newbee to come in and plainly gripe (Usually in one of their first 10 posts,if not their first) about not getting freebies is another. Especially after the "Old timers offer a helping hand. TLC, I see you have 4k + posts. That means you have been around for awhile. And as I read your posts and responses, I respect your ideas behind them. I may or may not agree with them, but I still respect them. I don't ignore them and complain anyway. That is the point I was trying to make. You say hypocricy is saying one thing and doing the opposite. Well saying ignore the complainers and then responding to what you took as my complaint would be an example of that, wouldn't it? (Again, respected.) Your example of my so-called hypocricy was taken backwards. I first offered the help, then when it was ignored, I stated go away. I think you are seeing it as I tell one to go away and move on to help the next. And telling them to go away is comparable to your statement of ignoring them. It just "states" that they are being ignored. You can only hit your thumb with a hammer so many times before you say ouch. You see, we feel we can't ignore the opportunity to help someone (Our fellow members). It's just not our nature. The biggest drawback in that, is that computers/web boards do not have the ability to communicate feelings and understanding. That is left to us, and unfortunately we all are not wizards of the typed word. We don't need to throw daggers back and forth here. I'm sure we can both agree on something of all of this, I just have to figure out what it is or would be. 99% of the posts on these forums are posted with good intentions behind them. If they could be spoken directly, I'm sure things would be alot clearer for the members from the word go. The 1 % that aren't, are mostly ignored, but the new harsh complaints about not getting free stuff fall into that 1% in my book. Again, to post and ask for help, get it, and then act on it and respond is one thing. But to ignore the help/avenues offered and down the club is another. Remember the old clich'e; "Ignorance isn't the answer." I believe in that, and it has saved me alot of headaches over the years by reading that fine print and knowing and understanding what I was getting in to.

I would like to thank you guys, the whiney, complainy posts seem to have tapered off alot. It gets old after awhile.

Shawn,u

Actually I think they are referring to the free knife and cookbook that is offered to you when you become a memeber I too have not received said items that I and I believe we all feel that we paid for with our membership dues.  This is what I believe that everyone is talking about.

Clinton

I have not received the knives, or cookbook either.

i'm with JC and netmech, except i haven't even got the welcoming kit! they say there sending it

You guys are funny. Complaining about complainers. I am a realitively new member, I got everything that I was promised w/i about 6 weeks. That doesn't seem too bad. It seems like a pretty nice club. I new when I enrolled that it was a pretty slim chance to evaluate an expensive item, didn't you? Have a nice day.

Actually if you read the membership agreement, there is no promise of actually ever getting an item to test, just the possibility. The complaints about the complainers is due to the multitude of complaints posted in many of the forums here on the board, and the redundency of the same complaints. You are correct about receiving what you were promised, but evidently many of the posters expect their membership gifts to come to them by return mail, as soon as they send in their money to the company.

I said it more than once .The liberal pay for their dues and then have them complain no matter what .In on thread one guy had been a member for 30 days and the other one for 3 months and where is the liberal from San Diego that complaid on here .That liberal dipo never came back either.

Holly I really do think you are right. we know of one right now in a couple other post. What a dope, I really dont think that some people get the meaning of this club. They are all about the free stuff. personally I think the idiots that dont have a lagit complaint should have to give us free stuff for having to read thair crap and wasting out time trying to help them instead of someone more deserving and apriciative of our time to help them. JMO

I just started punching alert .

I bet.

Hi Folks,
Well, after a year or more of complaining about the "Field Tester Program", and you will find many posts by me critical of the program, I was sent a decoy target cover to field test. I just had a shoulder replacement surgery that I'm healing up from so I haven't been able to test it as yet. I must say, however, it does appear to be something that will work and doesn't look cheesy like many test products I've seen members write about. I don't know if all of my complaining caused me to get it or it was the luck of the draw. Whichever it was, now I'm going to quit complaining and keep my mouth shut on this subject . I just wonder how long, if ever, it will take before I get another product to "Field Test?"

Just dont forget to go back in and fill out another test form so you get put back on the list .

fisherus,
i believe your responce is time dated, meaning you only have so long to send in the report for it to make press in the mag. and dont hold me to this, but if you dont respond on time, you wont get another product to test!

good luck with the shoulder!

My name is Brian. I am a new member to NAHC and just wanted to comment on the free knife-set I was given for joining. Although, it is a nice knife, I was a bit disappointed that it was made in China! This is an American club, correct? I certainly would have expected the knife-set to be made in America! You would think with the name "North American Hunting Club," items purchased by or given to members would be American made!

btait, you will find out that there are very few items offered for sale or as freebies that are made in the USA. Just wait 'til they start sending you all of the items for a trial reveiw. The best thing to do is use the return label and ship the stuff right back to them without even bothering to open the package, or refuse delivery in the first place by marking the package "refused, return to sender". Remember that regardless of Postal Regulations you agreed to accept and be financially responsible for any items the company ships to you, whether or not you ordered it.

Yup , what rt said. unless you want it send it back. you can also call the 800 number and have any items other than field test items put on a do net send list. So if you dont want to recieve products you have ot pay for, you have to tell them, than if they send it to you than that is their bad and you can do whatever you want with it.

jroopwv.com, What happened????????????? Deleted, already!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

musta been good, rt did you get to see it before it got deleted.

It was gone early .

ah I see. oh well I am sure I will have my last one onthe other simmalar topic deleted and probaly get ban myself. this is really getting old that is for sure, everyone wants something for nothing, how hard is it you field test get in line and hope for the best and if you dont get the basic welcome kit(because you made payment) than gripe to CS, if you paid all at onece and somthing ectra was offered for doing so and you dont get it comlain to cs, if you dont get your mags complain to cs. It is prity clear that the members cannot do anything to help them get their stuff. hello get a clue.

All I saw was the blank post! When they delete mine, they even delete my info so there isn't even an indication there ever was a post! I've only seen this one other time, if I can remember correctly!!!!! Evidentally, webbie deleted it, and it wasn't the result of a button pusher.

Oh I didnt know if you got to see what it said.

Hey guys me and fivepoint both had some post deleted and i went to bug report and ask what was going on and still no answer from webby .

See holly this place is like stalins KGB, how bout you grab fivepoints and bring him over to my site, you know the american side.

wow I just cked on of my other post and it is still there holly, believe it, or not lol.

if ya{1}***** to much your blackballed from receiving anything , they must be part of the obama administration , they act like him

we are here to pay for their hunting trips , this club has no political clout like the NRA , every member here should warn people away from this club to join the NRA , at least then they will have someone at their back , wonder what happens when the obummer and clinton get their way ?? this club lives for today and to hell with tomorrow
who gives a{1}**** if miller goes hunting he could care less if you do

Well lionsshare1, I dont think that can be considered all that accurate. if you have done everything rewuered to be put on the field test roles and you havent got anything in well years like some of the other guys, yah the complain to the club, enough chewing they just send you something, it might be crap but you got something. But blackballing for complaining, you would have to do something besides that. If bithen and chewing was grounds for black balling than no one would ever get anything from NAHC.

maybe so bear but i do know this club is self serving , I complained about the clubs no voice on our gun rights , they told me they could care less which way it goes , they do not have reps in the capitol like the NRA , If I had known I would have joined safari club or some place that promotes gun ownership with our money rather than taking hunting trips
I'm a life member here and have read the complaints and a life member of the NRA , sure wish I had invested my money in people who care about gun owners future
New members need to know from the start that this club isn't what they might think it is , it is only a place for people with enough money to do their own personal thing and have a place to brag about it , and as a perk you might get a toy to play with if your lucky or know someone within , you can lay back and say everything is ok if you want but I think newbies should know

holly 

Well since you dont like it here, than let your membership expire. And yes I find it hard to believe that NAHC told you that they dont care how it goes as it would adversly affect them as a money making company, and yes I do believe that a stament has been made about guns and political legislation on the hill and their view, I almost belive it is on the clubs facebook page, holly ,rt anyone remember exatctly were it is.
Also You are beginnig to sound like you have your due's paid to come here and start crap, yah the NRA has a voice on the hill, safari club, hello what makes them any different than NAHC, they sell you stuff amd go on hunting trips, that you dont get to partake in. Really, you can't come here and peddle that here, there have been plenty of ciscussion on them also.
As far as the complaints read the post, most of them are from people that saw free and didn't read any further. That is their bad not the clubs, there are many of us that read the terms of membership on the invatation when we joined so we have no predetermined notions that we are going to get showered with a bunch of guns,bows nd stuff like that. people neet to read past free and then they would know what to expect.

lionsshare,

to be a little more accurate! this is not a club like nra or safari club, there active clubs, by that i mean active on your behalf! this is a company! like the store you buy food from! they wouldn`t care about your gun rights!just the cost of doing bussiness! my suggestion would be to join the second amendment foundation! they are just as active as those other 2! but there is no membership dues! they just ask for donations all the time, and they do have a very nice gun raffle every year! 5 bucks an entry! last year i think they gave away something like 80 guns and tons of other stuff like bino`s and things! they do send lots of e-mails i must say, but they keep you very imformed!

just a suggestion

Well lion if after going through as many change overs on here that they lost all my posts twice i would probly be some where around 5000 .Been hear sense 2000 .
But thanks for the complement .

hello yall I have just joind and I did read the terms when and they are pretty clear about what this club is about ,I have read a lot of past posts and it sounds to me like the people yall are talking about are just greedy and want a bunch of free stuff me personaly if they want to send me some free gifts thats fine and if they dont thats ok I like reading the american hunter magizene it has some real good articals and yes I sign up for the contests if I win I win and if I dont thats ok to Im disabeld and this club is right up my ally I still do get the pleasure of the hunt and that is all that matters and haveing the choice to talk to other hunters is nice I live in a remote area in north carolina and I take my boys hunting every and any info I can get to make them better hunters and be able to fend for themselves is greatley appreciated I love the sport and so do all my kids boys and girls alike I have 3 of each and we gwt togeather every year and go hunting and we always get something and for the people that complain what are you thinking what do yall think you are owed something enjoy the club and its benifits I have only been a member for a few weeks and I have enjoyed all the stories that they post so get over your greedy ways and enjoy I do and for the members that have been here for a while I think that you have a pretty good club and I really do enjoy reading ths stories it gives me the overwhelming urge to clean my guns again and get ready for the season to open, thanks to all non complainers for their stories they are great and my boys and girls have learned quite a bit about hunting I even learned a bit to thanks again.

hello yall I have just joind and I did read the terms when and they are pretty clear about what this club is about ,I have read a lot of past posts and it sounds to me like the people yall are talking about are just greedy and want a bunch of free stuff me personaly if they want to send me some free gifts thats fine and if they dont thats ok I like reading the american hunter magizene it has some real good articals and yes I sign up for the contests if I win I win and if I dont thats ok to Im disabeld and this club is right up my ally I still do get the pleasure of the hunt and that is all that matters and haveing the choice to talk to other hunters is nice I live in a remote area in north carolina and I take my boys hunting every and any info I can get to make them better hunters and be able to fend for themselves is greatley appreciated I love the sport and so do all my kids boys and girls alike I have 3 of each and we gwt togeather every year and go hunting and we always get something and for the people that complain what are you thinking what do yall think you are owed something enjoy the club and its benifits I have only been a member for a few weeks and I have enjoyed all the stories that they post so get over your greedy ways and enjoy I do and for the members that have been here for a while I think that you have a pretty good club and I really do enjoy reading ths stories it gives me the overwhelming urge to clean my guns again and get ready for the season to open, thanks to all non complainers for their stories they are great and my boys and girls have learned quite a bit about hunting I even learned a bit to thanks again.

sorry I hit the send button twice

Posted By jdjl on 25 Aug 2011 03:55 AM
sorry I hit the send button twice

 It happens, sometimes intentionally. Well it is good to see someone that actually read the terms of membership past the words free. that is great that you and you children get out and share some good quality time together, Those are the times and moments that you can never replace.

jdjl There is another one on here We we call him RT4 who is from SC.that comes on here .And fells they same way .Hes a good man .

And if you have any ifo that might help another member just join rite in .

Yah just watch for tlc and his cronies, If you dont think the way they do you will be in big trouble. And for god sake you better know how to spell unlike holly and I. Yah rt is a good egg, If you are into knives Than he is the guy to talk to thats for sure.

The official stance of the NAHC on the gun control issue and gun rights has been stated here on the board by Bill Miller, and the official statement was along the lines of: the NAHC isn't a political activist organization and the intent and purpose isn't to get involved in the politics of gun control issues. The NAHC does support organizations such as the NRA, Second Amendment Foundation, the National Shooting Sports Foundation, and similar organizations. The NAHC does not have a voice or a representative in Washington who works as an advocate for gun rights, and that is not the purpose of the NAHC.

I'm certain that my words are a paraphrase of what was said by Miller previously, so don't quote me. bear, it seems to me that there used to be a mission statement about the purpose of the NAHC, and if I remember correctly it was at the bottom of the header column where all of the pertinant info about the publisher, editor, etc., and how to contact the club info is located; however, I went back and looked through several issues, and there isn't anything like that any longer. Maybe there never was, and I'm confused, but I swear it seems like there used to be!!

BTW, thanks for the compliments guys, but I'm just an old Charter/Life Member who happens to have a lot of opinions......some not so popular with others on the site!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yah I was prity sure I saw somehting and yes bill miller responded to that question on the clubs facebook page and in a nutshell is basically what you said. As far as your opinions they are fro the most part educated and acurate when it comes to complaints about the club, and I guess your not the only one that your opinions arnt so popular with some one here.

Yes RT i went and looked and could not find it .Club Mission Statment is what i think use be under .Or it might be some place slse ,I cant remember .

Lets see ir this works

NAHC Stance on 2nd Amendment & Hunting Rights:

It’s simple and it’s obvious. The North American Hunting Club is PRO Second Amendment and PRO hunting. No one can look at any media, any document, or any communication that comes from the Club and think anything else. We know the future of hunting and the future of the Club hinge on maintaining the right to own firearms -- all types of firearms.


When it comes to fighting these battles the Club is doing exactly what is was created to do -- that is to share news and information with passionate members like all of you. As real news and useful information are uncovered, we pass it along to you. The generals in this fight are folks like the National Rifle Association and the National Shooting Sports Foundation. When they put out a call for action that NAHC members can undertake, we pass that along through our media outlets.


The North American Hunting Club’s reason for existence is to enhance the hunting skill, knowledge, enjoyment, safety and opportunities of our members. That's the measure we use every day to judge the content in all of our media and of all the services we provide to members. The North American Hunting Club speaks to an audience that unanimously believes in the Second Amendment and protection of our hunting heritage. Of course within that audience there are many, many different ways of looking at the same issues, but we all have one goal -- the preservation and promotion of hunting as we know and love it. What good would it do to endlessly fill North American Hunter magazine and this website with sermon after sermon on that same message? Everyone who would read them is already a believer!

Our resources are much better spent supporting the efforts of the NRA, NSSF, USSA and other such organizations. These groups are the lean, mean fighting machines. They were built to fight, built to lobby. They are far better known and far more influential in the arenas where those things count. If we hunters and gun owners are to win these battles, it will be with a united front not with fragmented organizations trying to "do their own thing" or make a name for themselves. NAHC's support of NRA, NSSF, RMEF, US Sportmen's Alliance, NWTF, 2nd Amendment March and dozens of others has always been through publicity of their efforts and causes.

Again, in our view the North American Hunting Club is playing the vital role of support and communication it was built to provide and doing exactly what we've promised members we would do when it comes to preserving and promoting our hunting heritage.


Shoot straight – Bill Miller, Executive Director, North American Hunting Club



Is this what you were looking for RT .

yup that is it. He is till to answer my question on why the feels that it should just be on the shoulders of these other org and why we dont have a rep on the hill like the rest of them. So they might have to give up a hunt or two,but I do agree that this company whant to cater hunters and state that it supports the 2nd amendment and hunters right's than it is only fair that we should expect them to have someone there also to be more proactive.JMO

well I thank all you guys and gals for welcomeing me in since I become disabeled I have been trying something to do and I think I have found it my youngest will be 12 in a couple months right after deer season opens and is ready to go out and shoot his first buck he has been out with us before and knows just what to look for and I think he will do well hes going to get the first shot and I know he will bring home a great trophy wish him luck and so have all his brothers and sisters Im hopeing to get a couple good ones for the jerky and tenderloins good luck to all this season

jdjl Good luck for your son .I know how i felt when my son got his first deer .And with my luck i was in camp when my gradson got his first deer .Good hunting out there .

Well hope he bags a big one, good luck to you both.

HOW DOES A NEW MEMBER REQUEST THE GIFTS

wturner whitch gifts .And how long have you been a member .

I had trouble finding that too, but then I googled it and came up with this

HC

I got my free gifts, and they actually sent me a second welcome pack with the free gifts, and I told them about it, and they told me to keep it, I would have gladly returned it, and told them that, but they said to keep it, so I gave it to my poppa

I've been a member sents july. I had to call to get my knifesbut am still wating on cook book thay said I would recive them in 7 to 21 days got the after I got back from hunting rifel season but at least I got them in time to skin out my big wide 8 point

Well if yours were as sharp as mine, then you damn sure didn't use them to skin any thing!!!!!!!!!!

you got that right rt the knives I got wouldnt cut melted butter I spent some time with the wet stone and got a pretty good edge on them wrapped them up and now I have a sharp set of knives for my 12 year old son for christmas

Yep I worked them on the Warthog for about 10 minutes, but eventually put an edge on them. Most knives only take about 45 seconds on the V-sharp.

Still waiting .

wow that helped alot jennybe! i had figured i wouldn't ever get them and i wasn't worried about it. I just registered now for them

don't hold your breath waiting for 'em. I think the knives showed in about 2 or 2 1/2 months - the cook book was longer than that. But they'll show eventually, when you least expect it... ;-)

Ive skinned 4 deer this year with my knife set, actually since my dad and I both have them, we hang the deer and go to town with our knives. Skinned and quartered in about 30-35 minutes. The knives arent bad at all, and mine have kept their edge just fine through skin, fur, muscle, tendons and the like.

Damn, just think what you could accomplish with a GOOD knife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

glad they're working for you navyman, I assume you had to put an edge on 'em when they arrived. I'm a little surprised the edge is holding but given your history, I think you probably are familiar with knife edges... enjoy

I put mine in the junk "made in china" drawer with the other knives.Must say that I get more value from the web access and the info than anything.Yall were looking for an old granddad or a buck or something? lmbo

nah, I already have Ol' Grandad in the liquor cabinet. 

Well, let the old fart out of the cabinet! Damn, Steve, that's elderly abuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

eh - he likes it in there RT, haven't heard a peep outta him...

Had the same problem when I joined and called customer service multiple times and finally they sent what they said they would. I ahd to write a post to bill miller several times and he finally responded but just words. this is a big scam and unless they change quiclk I wil not renew. As for the test items, well, have yet to recieve one , don't think I will. If I do I'm sure the bar of soap or hand warmers I will get I can do without and buy them myself. Once again bill is to busy hunting and doesn't really care about the average member, glad I decided against a life membership. Call customer service and tell them that if they send you unwanted material that you have to pay for that your not paying for the shipping back and they do send you a mailer. Web master might want to tell the management to read some of what the members are saying. P.S. The things I have recieved have all been MADE IN CHINA, funny that they call this the north american hunting club. Maybe it should be the northern china hunting club.

Had the same problem when I joined and called customer service multiple times and finally they sent what they said they would. I ahd to write a post to bill miller several times and he finally responded but just words. this is a big scam and unless they change quiclk I wil not renew. As for the test items, well, have yet to recieve one , don't think I will. If I do I'm sure the bar of soap or hand warmers I will get I can do without and buy them myself. Once again bill is to busy hunting and doesn't really care about the average member, glad I decided against a life membership. Call customer service and tell them that if they send you unwanted material that you have to pay for that your not paying for the shipping back and they do send you a mailer. Web master might want to tell the management to read some of what the members are saying. P.S. The things I have recieved have all been MADE IN CHINA, funny that they call this the north american hunting club. Maybe it should be the northern china hunting club.

If you joined for free stuff - put your checkbook away.

https://www.huntingclub.com/my-pages/forums/aft/188421

Thats right SCALVIN .Been around here and hve heard every type of complaint .

Same sheit, different day!!!!!

yeah i got my free knife and cookbook for becoming a member. it really is free stuff afaid of all the bad reviews but its true .  I joined on 5/8/12 and got my stuff on5/22/12 i got 2 knives a small and big one in a knife holder together. I m happy to be a member.

i joined on 5/8/12 for a 3 year membership and i got my free knife on 5/22/12 for being a member a small and a big one in a holder together. so happy i got my free knife. glad to be a member

wow myxena, you got your quick!! i know of 1 who is still waiting!!

I can't believe it either, I m glad this is a great site, did you get your knife crippledhunter? How long after you joined? A proud hunter of the hunters club looking forward to more surprises

Been a member sense 1981 and still waiting .But did get everything they said I would when I became a LM .Dont remember what I got for joining in the first place .Been to long ago .Congats people and come around as we do need new faces on here .Just join in and have fun .

myxena, i got mine pretty quickly too! now holly there he`s still waiting for his! but i joined awhile ago, the knives are a fairly new thing! but when i saw it was for all members i jumped right in!! just join in the fun here, you can learn alot or teach alot depends on what you want and or know! onlt thing i will say is if you have thin skin stay away from the "MISC." thread. it can get heated in that 1!

welcome aboard!

I did get my free stuff. Did not expect the knife set to be anything I would use in the field, but it will make a good "white elephant" gift at our Christmas party. I was however quite surprised by the cookbook, not one single Elk dish. Guess a guy can always substitute the Elk for the Venison, but was surprised that with all the trouble to make a wild game cookbook that they did not add an elk menu. I have been hunting elk for at least 50 years, guess they are not as wild as I thought. I guess it leads me to wonder how many of the executives of the club actually hunt or is it just a business to them. I would be hard pressed to dress an Elk with the free knife set. It's hard enough to keep a good edge on the old reliable Buck through the entire process. Anyway good to see all you hunters on here.

freegift.huntingclub.com does not get me anywhere for my free gifts. its principle with me when I am promised something. want 800 number to complain.

Well, if you'd of read the thread, you'd know the site is http://secure1.namgclubs.com/acq/de...?tabid=788
And that the contact information for the club is at the bottom of all of the pages.

ok holly, at least I provided the link... can't expect me to change totally overnight.

Proud of you SC, the first step is always the hardest

I did relent and posted it in another thread .The guy did send a message to me Said it worked .

Speaking of free stuff, I was informed that Stuff Stuff was going to send me a bottle of Hot Plot!!! It only retails at 40$ but who cares, I'm super stoked about trying it out!! My brother inlaw lets me hunt at his place from time to time, so I'm gonna help him plant it! Just figured I'd chime in throw that out there!!

ericjames81 .Steve has put up a section for people to post what they are getting from stuff stuff .Maybe you could post it there and let others know .

what post is that joe.and i would like to know how to find the winners of last months give away.anyway to find this out? its no big deal..but i can always hope lol

mwalton, check out the Questions forum. I put it there cause I figured people would ask "who's tested what" plus in the misc. forum the thread would get lost in about 10 minutes.

Actually, this link should work. I'd ask to get it pinned but that would probably fall on deaf ears.

http://www.huntingclub.com/connect/...aft/191980

For sure Joe, done!And Steve, I tried to post just in the quote box, but it put it in there and made a whole new post. Sorta worked!!

close enough - I guess it only lets the original poster add to the quote box... eh - it'll do. Hopefully it'll prove interesting over time. I should of included the test product level/points - wasn't thinking

mwalton7 .When you go into put in for the drawings there is a place you can look at past winners .Some times it takes them atleast a month to inter the last drawing .They have to have all paperwork done first .

Here is what you will look for .

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It's been a few days since I've read  the threads. So, forgive me for being a little behind.Really?  I didn't know I was suupposed to get a knife too.  I joined in 1988.  I never got the knife.  From what I'm reading.  I'm not missing anything with that knife.  Thats ok.  I have a buck,  two Schrades, and two Gerbers.  If I haven't missed that knife for all this time.  I'm not goin to miss it in the future.  As far as the cookbook goes.  I did get that.  they tried to charge me for that.  I sent it back to them with a note to keep it.  I didn't need it that bad since there was a note on the inside cover of the book that said it was a free gift. I didn't know you had to pay for a free gift. Yeah,  they sent me a bill for it.  I have gotten a few things to test.  Buck lure, or doe in heat.  Something like that in capsules you screw onto a worn out arrow, and shoot a tree with it from you stand.  Pretty neat idea.  Too bad I don[t bow hunt.  I gave them to my brother in law.  He thought they were pretty cool.  I did get the rust inhibiter like coyoteslayer did.  That was the last thing I got.  That was about 3 or 4 years ago.  I think it took me too long to send back the test results.  The stuff is always sent at the wrong time of the year to be tested with the time they want an answer about the results.  With the exception of the inhibiter.  My wife and I moved to the Dallas area because of her job.  I may have misplaced the info I was supposed to send back.  So, I haven't gotten anything since.

I've read a ton of posts on the forums and plenty of reviews of NAHC on external websites, most of them have been fairly negative. However, I feel that some people may be joining the club for the wrong reasons. If you're looking to pay $12/year in order to get a bunch of cool free stuff, whether it's what's advertised or not, sorry folks but you're either naive, ignorant, gullible, or a nasty mix of the three. Very little in life is free, period. I'm not saying misleading advertisements are ok, I'm just saying that it seems not an entirely large amount of people use their brains anymore. 

Hang around the joint and join in Elkheart.

freekin' double post...

Thanks Steve, I plan to

No old timers .It sets in worse when you retire.Yea Elkheart hang around and have some fun .

Oh, and I wouldn't put down the new testing program.  Granted, it takes time to get up to the higher point levels but things are put out to test. Some folks, including myself, have gotten some fairly decent things to test. Now, I haven't heard of any $800 bows or anything but....

For instance, I recently was sent a Le Creuset enamel coated CI French Oven to test.  They retail at around $250.  Not too shabby.   Really gotta use that sob one of these days. 

I was mostly mentioning that I've read quite a few people's posts about what they feel they should be testing, not putting down the testing program at all. More of a "put in your time" and the "good stuff" will come statement, the $800 bow was a bit of an exaggeration

Hey just a note, I first heard about this club from seeing their ads on Facebook. It read "Field testers needed". The ad made it look like the club was desperately searching for people because they needed their stuff tested. It painted a pretty picture making potential members believe their main purpose as a member would be testing products. I didn't fall for the ad because it seemed too good to be true. And if it seems that way, it usually is. But I looked into it and saw for only $12 per year it wouldn't hurt to join and see what the club is all about. I joined, and it has been very rewarding to me. And even since stuff stuff took over, I got selected to test a Timney trigger. A $125 value. As long as I get it and I like it, my dues have pretty much been reimbursed. The "club" is like anything else, and is only as good to you as you make it out to be. So when you see newbies complaining about not getting free stuff, it may just be that they fell for the ad in which they were told they were desperately needed to test all this gear. Just my opinion.

Interesting viewpoint, I didn't realize they were using those tactics to get more mone... er.... people. Thanks for the perspective.

The club has used those tactics sense at least the mid 90's when I joined. See the post from Badger "My faith is lacking!...can someone out there help me?" (You would think I would know how to put a link in by now). I am with Elkheart however, I hang around for the magazine and the fun on the forums. Way back in the olden days, I joined for a few years as a dues paying (3 years at a time guy) and found that I really enjoyed the magazine and some of the books that they sent me and I purchased. When they sent me the first letter for Life Membership, I read the thing and it was a piece of marketing drool that clearly overstated the benefits. I wrote them an equally outrageous letter back about how I was just starting a family and if I paid for Life Membership, I would have to give up a year of hunting blah blah (Sob Story) just for the fun of it. Anyway, true to form they did not respond to the letter. I got the same canned letter about becoming a life member about every six months. In the end, I chose to become a life member because I enjoyed the magazine and figured it was worth the risk that the club would go belly up (lose the magazine) and as a benefit, did not have to keep track of whether or not it was really time to pay the dues or not for the next three years. There was a time when the club had the chat room, and I used to enjoy lurking around the chat room picking up tips and ideas from the others. Since the chat was killed, I started lurking around on the Forums and recently have started to participate. I still enjoy reading the magazine (I too, liked the old format better and especially was sad to see Jim Shockey’s column stop) and I enjoy the forums. I do not facebook so my testing days are over (I got a roll of camo tape to test a long time ago. I sent them an email asking them if they would like me to send it back because I had no use for it therefore I could not provide a review, no response, still have the tape unused and obviously did not turn in a report.)

In the end, I feel I have gotten what I paid for and at this point, it is all gravy. I just continue to ignore the Trophy Membership mails, laugh to myself when I read about the “deep discounts” they offer us for Life Member Hunts (what do they really think I do not know how to use Google to look up what it would cost to do the hunt myself?), etc. etc. I have learned that contacting the club with a suggestion or a question about just about anything is a waste of time, so I do not. They just provide the same canned responses, even when you explicitly put in the email a request to put the playbook down, read the question and provide a real thought thru response rather than the canned answer they, well in the end always provide.

I hope most of you will stay here and we can continue to have fun poking at each other on the forums and help each other out once in a while (I think that is mostly by accident however when it happens )
My $2 (to long for only 2 cents) worth.

jack

Very true Jack.   I joined in the 80's sometime, don't recall exactly when but I went straight to lifer to get the leather jacket and other stuff they offered at the time.  I felt, and still do, that I got my money's worth right out of the gate and looked at it as "free" mags for life.  Later on it became apparent that the forums were going to be the most beneficial part of the whole deal.

I also agree that dealing with the Club is, shall we say "difficult"?  And that's being EXTREMELY kind, but I maintain that so is dealing with our government but I don't give up trying to get them to listen to reason and change things so I take the same approach here.  Putting up with chit and/or running away from anyone just isn't in my nature. 

Steve, I know you are not saying I am running away or anything like that (well if you are, you will have to be more blunt, cause I did not take it that way lol). I do not mind fighting, but I need to see the benefit at the end. As we agree, we got our money’s worth a long time ago and the magazine and this forum are gravy (my word). Nevertheless, by way of illustration (I truly am not bitter and do not care one way or the other) I will relate my last experience trying to inquire about something with the club.

A couple of years ago I was fortunate enough to take a record book Sika Deer on public land on the Eastern Shore of Maryland. At the time I took him, he was number 8 in the book and now he has dropped to number 10. Anyway, At the time he was the tentative number 8, I wrote up a story and entered it into the Big Game Awards about the hunt when I took him. I was not shocked when I did not win anything in the contest as I am an Engineer/Project Manager that does a lot of dry technical writing, so I figured that I did not have much of a chance in the first place. So, after learning that I did not win, I wrote an email to the club saying that complaining about not winning was the furthest from my mind, and I was wondering if they were interested in doing a story about Sika Deer hunting here in Maryland. I explained that before moving here I had never even heard about the wild Sika deer population here in Maryland and I thought that maybe other members of the club might enjoy a story about them. I got a canned response saying that I could submit a story and it may get picked to run in the magazine. I emailed back and reiterated that I am dry technical writer, and my story had already not been picked even though it was tied to a record book animal for the big game contest. I asked her to check with the editors to see if there was interest in the story. If not, it was ok by me. If so, I asked them to comment on the story so I could revise it, or contact me for input so they could write a story. I also asked her to put the playbook down and please respond to the specifics in my email with specific answers. I wrote it not to sound chippy or put out. I got the same stinking canned email back. So then I called and asked to speak to her. I again explained the above and that I needed comments on how to improve the story as I am not a writer by trade and did not know how to improve the story. I was careful to state I was not upset, did not think the story was perfect or even good in its current form, I just needed help if the club was interested in the story. She said that all she could tell me was to submit the story and it would be picked or it would not. I thanked her for her time, hung up the phone and made a note to myself that my time is better spent on other matters.

I do not care that the club is not telling the rest of you about Sika hunting in Maryland. I do not care about the story I wrote being rejected. What I am put out about is that the club works out of a stinking playbook and will not stop to answer a direct question of whether or not the editors are interested in the story.

Enough, thanks for putting up the good fight, I will most likely remain on the sidelines because I have judged it is not worth the time to try to get them away from the playbook.

jack

Jack, don't feel bad about your article. I have a degree in Journalism, and I know how to write an interesting story. I submitted an article on dog hunting for deer, and like you have never heard a word. I'd at least have expected a rejection letter if nothing else. Jim Deacon, who used to be an active member here, is an excellent author and has penned many a piece prompted me to submit my story after I had posted it on several forum sites. Since Jim (I believe) is a published author, I felt confident in sending the story in. People who read it on here and on other sites all had nothing but positive comments and some even said that they could actually imagine the sights, sounds and smells that I described. Evidently the staff at American Hunter didn't get the same odor!!!!!!!!

Naw - I wasn't insinuating anything at all about you. I pretty much call a spade a f'ing shovel. People usually have no question of my intended meaning.

Congrats on the Sika!! How about sharing your writeup and pics here? I know I would enjoy reading it and I'm certain others would as well.

I understand the "beating head against the wall" argument but I was a Software Engineer for 38 years. One huge requirement of that, as you probably know, is being tenacious, stubborn, or whatever word you choose. Lordie knows I do fall into those categories. I'll keep hammering on 'em even if by myself. Sending a note doesn't require much of my time and while the odds of anything changing may be the same as winning the Lottery; people do win it.

Instead of staying on the sidelines, I propose ya stay around and jump in.

I've sent emails and PMs to every one about why all the other clubs have chat rooms ,and they took it away from us .Done this on many a cations and have never got an answer from them .I will just keep bugging them .Maybe some day I will get an answer.As far as not doing facebook or tweeter .Just do as I did .Fill it all out and then never open it .Never get on it at all .That way you can like everything and build your points up .

The sites I visit that have chat rooms, never have anything going on in them. I don't see any advantage to wasting valuable site space to a chat room; but that's just my opinion. The same thing can be accomplished with posts and pms.

I don't care for chatrooms either - I can't keep track of who's talking to who about what in a non-threaded wide open format like that.

For the StuffStuff stuff, I also just have FB and Twitter accounts that are only used for that. Otherwise I never use 'em at all - actually - I'm not sure I even remember the ids and passwords - I'd better look into that 'cause I really have to do a review! Thanks for the reminder!

Thanks for the feedback. I did post photos and a short write-up back when I found out that he was big enough to be ranked, also included a short blurb of the hunt at that time. It is the past; I remember that most of you guys offered congrats and comments. Like I said, it is not about the story or me but, as you have all experienced, the club response. I do not plan to go anywhere; I enjoy reading the posts and stirring the pot now and again.

jack

Yeah, well... I prolly did read and comment on it at the time... memory's just shot.

Hey Steve do you have to renew Facebook and tweet .Thought it was for good .I don't even remember the pass wood for them .Oh well .

I checked last night after reading your post, I can tell ya - you don't have to renew, mine were still good. Actually, when I got onto twitter it sent me an email saying welcome back and suggesting that I "follow" more people. And guess who it suggested?


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That could lead to some strange outcomes.

Posted By rthomas4 on 04 Jun 2013 09:32 AM
That could lead to some strange outcomes.

Why's that?

Funny Steve .I've never opened mine sense I signed up .Maybe I should try and see who pops up.Oh by the way the facebook is my wife's and I don't go on there.

Following Joe!

Posted By Steve on 04 Jun 2013 10:51 AM

Posted By rthomas4 on 04 Jun 2013 09:32 AM
That could lead to some strange outcomes.

Why's that?

Oh.... DUH - brain fart...

Didn't book mark tweet so now have to see how to get in.

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