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Never been a CLub
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H2O Elkaholic
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| 18 Aug 2010 12:42 AM |
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It's a Company, not a Club!!! True title should be North American Hunting Company!!! A Club has members input when they makke new rules!
JMO
Dean E Bowers
Green River, Wy 82935
NAHC LM #40013870
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| You know you're hunting Elk in a rain forest, when ya got water running down the crack of your xxx 30 minutes out of camp! Formally a Roosevelt Elk hunter on the Washington Coast, now hunting them Rocky Mountain ones in Wyoming.
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JJBULL
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| 18 Aug 2010 05:38 AM |
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and your point is??? |
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Give me the simple life; An AK-47, a good guard dog and a nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store.
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leetrumbull
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| 20 Aug 2010 10:07 AM |
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What we don't need is a trouble maker! |
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rthomas4
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| 21 Aug 2010 02:10 PM |
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Who's causing trouble? |
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H2O Elkaholic
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| 21 Aug 2010 10:43 PM |
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Not me  Just stating facts!  leetrumbull; What we don't need is a trouble maker! I know your new, so I'll cut ya some slack. One mans trouble, is another mans means. Don't think in the ten years I've been posting here that I have ever done anything, but help members! I was like you in the beginning, stick up for the Club. Not now, we are the CLUB! Not the guys ya pay dues to. If this goes away, I'm wrong, and they are the club and we are just members sending them our $s. Dean H2O Elkaholic |
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| You know you're hunting Elk in a rain forest, when ya got water running down the crack of your xxx 30 minutes out of camp! Formally a Roosevelt Elk hunter on the Washington Coast, now hunting them Rocky Mountain ones in Wyoming.
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SCOPEEYE
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| 25 Aug 2010 08:15 PM |
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I agree with H2O . Do we get to vote on anything? NO... |
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7mm Magnum
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| 26 Aug 2010 06:12 PM |
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Posted By leetrumbull on 20 Aug 2010 11:07 AM
What we don't need is a trouble maker!
Hey there Bucko',... you be treadin' in a relm you certainly DO NOT want to travel !!
There are those of us still here who were members back probably before YOU even knew it existed ! |
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Shoot Straight & Stay Safe! /
Terry Webster /
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NRA- LM /
NAHC-LM /
NAFC-LM /
Michigan Sportsmans Assc. /
Michigan Steelheaders /
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HUNTME
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| 28 Aug 2010 11:37 AM |
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be carefull,wess is a person who will drop the hammer on anyone, who hurts his dainty back side. you can not print truth on this board with out his approval.  |
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H2O Elkaholic
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| 28 Aug 2010 10:32 PM |
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HUNTME You can say what ya want, till the post is deleted, and your banned from the board! Terry, Wasn't pickin on leetrumbull! He's a member, same as you and me, he can travel what ever road or trail he chooses! Hell he might be out here huntin Wapiti one time with you and me? THE NAHC "CLUB", Was a time when ya could frighten us by threatening to do away with the Board, a time when you could ban individual members from postin because they didn't post what the Club wanted to hear! And a time when you pretended to listen, then did what you wanted to anyway. Let us talk, let us make new friends, if we have a problem with the the Club.... Listen! Those voices heard, will only improve our CLUB! Don't let profits, drive away new friends! At one time, before the bulletin board, we were the Club. Then ya started mailing us stuff we didn't want and making us pay ta send it back to ya. I won't get into the Fiedl Test Program here, as I know it is more important to others then me, (I don't subscribe to the service.) My benefit has been meeting other members here, on the Board and sharing hunts! That said: My complaint is; On the board there is no seniority, no record of post we've made since the beginning of this site. No record of when we first logged in. No recognition for those that are long time members! No recognition of those that have posted to the Board since it's beginning! And many of those friends don't post anymore!!! The post they shared with us, are gone. Sad! JMO Dean H2O Elkaholic |
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| You know you're hunting Elk in a rain forest, when ya got water running down the crack of your xxx 30 minutes out of camp! Formally a Roosevelt Elk hunter on the Washington Coast, now hunting them Rocky Mountain ones in Wyoming.
NAHC Life Member and continuous member since 02/81,
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JJBULL
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| 29 Aug 2010 03:57 PM |
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Sorry, Dean, but I must respectfully disagree in regards to your complaints. I don't see any of those things you mention as being vital to my enjoyment here or even really important.
If I want recognition, I just try to excel in my job and get a promotion. If recognition in the hunting world was important to me, I would enter some of my animals into the record books.
My opinion on the whole post count is available in my signature....all it says to me is who is retired, mobility impaired or needs a hobby.
People quit posting for a number of reasons; lose computer access, leave the Club/Company, lose interest or just plain fed-up with the whole deal.
Even in a Company, the shareholders get votes, right? I don't think management has any idea what is going on with their organization but am at a loss since we truly have no voice. That part to me is sad. |
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Give me the simple life; An AK-47, a good guard dog and a nymphomaniac who owns a liquor store.
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7mm Magnum
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| 29 Aug 2010 04:29 PM |
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Posted By H2O Elkaholic on 28 Aug 2010 11:32 PM
Terry,
Wasn't pickin on leetrumbull! He's a member, same as you and me, he can travel what ever road or trail he chooses! Hell he might be out here huntin Wapiti one time with you and me?
Dean
H2O Elkaholic
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Dean,... I wasn't directing my commentary towards you,.. but to this which WAS directed to you,...
Posted By leetrumbull on 20 Aug 2010 11:07 AM
What we don't need is a trouble maker!
This was at one time a great bulletin board for the membership to come visit and maintain contact with a variety of other members,.. many have which have parted due to a plethora of reasons. The main one in my eyes is the continuing revamping of the website that we all use here. Unfortunatly each one of their "upgrades" and their continuing to edit and delete posts made by us the more of us have chosen to leave here. All the cumulitive information that was at one time flourishing has vanished as well. There were so many posts by plenty of seasoned hunters that were lost during each one of their upgrades,.. reams of good information for any new hunter who had decided to join this membership have been deleted or unable to be transformed from the older server to the newer one. It's a shame,..corporation doesn't seem to care,.. the only thing they care about is the recruitment of new members to increase their income,.. and that seems to be ALL they care about.
I know I don't frequent here as often as I once did,.. we've already lost quite a few good people from the past 2 upgrades. 
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Shoot Straight & Stay Safe! /
Terry Webster /
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NRA- LM /
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NAFC-LM /
Michigan Sportsmans Assc. /
Michigan Steelheaders /
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ronhuddleston
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| 03 Oct 2010 08:59 AM |
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H2O - were you archery hunting in Colorado this year in 166 - saw a truck with Elkaholic on it?
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H2O Elkaholic
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| 05 Oct 2010 12:39 AM |
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ronhuddeston
Not me, Bow hunted Wyoming this year. Lots of Elkaholics out there, I'm just one of them! Best bow season ever, big bulls screaming every were. Didn't arrow one, but awesome bow season!!!
Dean
H2O Elkaholic
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| You know you're hunting Elk in a rain forest, when ya got water running down the crack of your xxx 30 minutes out of camp! Formally a Roosevelt Elk hunter on the Washington Coast, now hunting them Rocky Mountain ones in Wyoming.
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Georgeld
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| 09 Oct 2010 12:04 AM |
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Hey Deano, you stirrin up the **** here yet I see.
Haven't heard from you since June, what's goin on in yer life??
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7mm Magnum
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| 09 Oct 2010 05:42 PM |
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George I'm willing to be that Dean is back out in the hills elk huntin',... tis' firearms season out there for them starting tomorrow if I recall correctly,... |
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Shoot Straight & Stay Safe! /
Terry Webster /
RMEF-Supporting Member /
NRA- LM /
NAHC-LM /
NAFC-LM /
Michigan Sportsmans Assc. /
Michigan Steelheaders /
US Army Nam' Vet SGT. 70-72 1/327/101 AB |
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Bullrun
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| 14 Oct 2010 10:42 PM |
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Yep, Dean is out after Wapiti. he will be back end of Oct. Not 100% sure, but thinking H2O Elkaholic is not very happy with me, just a feeling, could be right ,could be wrong. How you doing Terry-7MM Magnum, anybody ever hear from RAY VINCENT IN WINCHESTER,iDAHO LATELY. i LOST HIS PHONE NUMBER
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7mm Magnum
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| 15 Oct 2010 06:44 AM |
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Posted By Bullrun on 14 Oct 2010 11:42 PM
Yep, Dean is out after Wapiti. he will be back end of Oct. Not 100% sure, but thinking H2O Elkaholic is not very happy with me, just a feeling, could be right ,could be wrong. How you doing Terry-7MM Magnum, anybody ever hear from RAY VINCENT IN WINCHESTER,iDAHO LATELY. i LOST HIS PHONE NUMBER Bullrun Well damn,... how've you been Ed ??   Yep,.. Dean's out hunting those wapiti. I received a email from him the other day telling me about the adventures with his archery hunt for them and the real close call he had when he got into them but just couldn't make it happen. I tried sending you a regular email about a week ago and it came back "UNDELIVERABLE" !!  What cha' do,... get a new email account and not tell anybody your new email address ??? Please email ME with a current email so I can make the change in my address book. As far as Ray goes,. I just spoke with him on the phone a couple of days ago,.. he's been keeping busy helping out our military veterans, actively working on gifts, projects, (one of which he made and sent to me as a house warming gift for my new residence,... thank again Brother Ray !!) and is also serving as an honor guard for the ones who have given the "Ultimate Sacrifice" for their country. He had his truck in for repairs and just got it back the other day, so he missed out on the Idaho opener for elk but is now on his way up to Bonner's Ferry to hook up with "Captain" who resides in the area to do some hunting with him. He's still commenting on starting up another GT come next fall (2011) Hope all is well with you,..and send me a email !!!  |
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Shoot Straight & Stay Safe! /
Terry Webster /
RMEF-Supporting Member /
NRA- LM /
NAHC-LM /
NAFC-LM /
Michigan Sportsmans Assc. /
Michigan Steelheaders /
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Bullrun
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Stalker
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| 20 Oct 2010 06:44 AM |
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I do not agree that the number of post should have anything to do with member ranking as I have been a member since 2002 and have 2 posts. I rather spend my time hunting than trying to gain a ranking by being online. That said I do agree that the "Club" is more like a business than a club. Why should I be victimized in my post office box by items that I did not order? Seriously, I do not want books, coins or anything else that I did not order sent to me and I sure as heck do not want to be subjected to a timeline for returning or paying for what I did not want sent to me anyway!
The North American Hunt Club should be composed of huting members that have a "CLUB" to share experiences, advice, hunts, comradory and a plan for battling the ever growing extremists that are trying to eliminate hunting and shooting sports in North America! All members should have a voice in the club and all changes and program implementations should be subject to a ballot (online or mail). The member vote should not be able to be vetoed or trumped by any executive or board member. The executives and board members should be tasked with enforcing the direction of the members vote. The executives and board members should be voted into and out of office by the members.
Why should I not be able to speak my mind on the forum? Why should I not be able to make a member complaint on the forum? Maybe other members would agree with my complaint or disagree...the "moderators should pass the seemingly member agreeable complaints to the club executives and board members not delete them. I agree with keeping it clean and non-threatening but, opinionated discussion is not a bad thing. We the members should be driving the club after all we have a financial interest in the club. I think that there might be alot more member involvement and maybe more financial indevities if we actually had a club and not a business that thrives on a profit from its members.
And IMO is rediculous! Of course it is my opinion...I wrote it! Every post should be taken as opinionated. Anyone taking information as gospel with out verifying credentials or facts should be subject to their own ignorance. Freedom of speach should be inbedded in the club as it is supposed to be a CLUB not an organization dictated by a forum moderator or any executive or board members. If it were not for WE the MEMBERS there would not be a moderator or any organization to the club at all as all the financial resources would dry up.
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7mm Magnum
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| 20 Oct 2010 07:34 AM |
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Stalker,.. I for one am in total agreement with your line of thought,.. BUT,... sadly this organization will never be a "CLUB" in that sense of the word. This IS unfortunately a company, and all of their priorities are set on making $$ and that's about it in a nutshell. The magazines are nice, but as of the last few years they contain more advertising than actual interest reading information. Their idea of winning free gifts in the "Give-a-ways" are mainly a come-on for new clientèle prospects in membership funds. About the only real thing any of us have gotten from our $$ spent in becoming members here are friendships and this website (which by the way I'm a member of plenty of sportsman's websites and they didn't cost me a dime to become a member of) I've been a member since the early 80's and plenty of things have changed here over the years. The original line of thought for the "Club" was lost years ago and has been replaced by schemes to try and bolster profits (IE: unwanted soliciting mailings, new tiers of memberships, etc.) I'm a paid Life member and they have my $$ for it,.. I'm done spending money here,.. and come only to pay a visit to the forums from time to time now to speak with old and new friends who share the passion of hunting. This will NEVER be a CLUB in the way the majority of us interpret a club to be.( IE: a board consisting of people voted into power by the membership, to make decisions on the functions of the club, based on a majority vote of it's membership, etc. ) I REALLY wish it was,.. but in the real scheme of things it is not, and I can't ever foresee it being one in the future.  |
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Shoot Straight & Stay Safe! /
Terry Webster /
RMEF-Supporting Member /
NRA- LM /
NAHC-LM /
NAFC-LM /
Michigan Sportsmans Assc. /
Michigan Steelheaders /
US Army Nam' Vet SGT. 70-72 1/327/101 AB |
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Stalker
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| 20 Oct 2010 07:58 AM |
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7MM
I too am a paid life member...and I believe that you are correct. My statements will probably do no good and this thread will probably be deleted. But hey I felt the urge to get it off my chest... |
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rthomas4
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| 20 Oct 2010 08:14 AM |
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Back when the NAHC was first organized by Steve and Paul Burke, we actually were a club, and had a feeling of belonging. Unfortunately when they sold the organization, the focus and drive was diverted from a true hunting club, into a financial investment. Now after several changes of hands, the original identity of the NAHC is no longer that of a club, but more of a Wall Street Financial Investment that benefits who knows who!! The leadership is comprised of a group of board members, who determine club policies, and leadership. Bill Miller is just a paid employee, with no real power or clout, and he is probably like the majority of Americans today, who wonder if they will have a job tomorrow.
All of the solicitations, unwanted mailing of items, creation of more levels of membership, as well as the censorship of the boards, have created an atmosphere that certainly does not make one feel that they belong to a club, but instead are mere monetary sources for some group of board members to get rich off of. Sort of like Congress!
Those of us who were around from the beginning, don't even recognize this organization as being what we were Charter Members of, much less the fact that we once were an actual club with interest in promoting hunting, and the enjoyment of sharing each other's hunting experiences. As one of the members who doesn't practice PC on the boards, I am constantly amazed that (so far) I have managed to remain, with only warnings from the "powers that be", I wouldn't be surprised to get a temporary banning anytime, since I do tend to be critical of the organization most of the time.
Just remember, there are many folks who belong to this organization and contribute to the boards on a daily basis. This is where the value of membership can best be derived today, and even though many are critical of the magazine, it's still a great value when you compare it to a lot of the other publications that are out there today! |
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7mm Magnum
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| 20 Oct 2010 08:49 AM |
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rthomas,..
So true,.. that's why I made the comment in my post " The original thought of the club was lost years ago,.."
I was here when the Burke's established this CLUB,.. only to watch it,.. and many of the things we all back then hoped for would emerge just vanish before our very eyes over time.
Such a shame it all turned out like it did,.. |
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Shoot Straight & Stay Safe! /
Terry Webster /
RMEF-Supporting Member /
NRA- LM /
NAHC-LM /
NAFC-LM /
Michigan Sportsmans Assc. /
Michigan Steelheaders /
US Army Nam' Vet SGT. 70-72 1/327/101 AB |
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Bullrun
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| 21 Oct 2010 10:21 AM |
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maybe they took lessons from Bell,Ca. or more likely vice-versa |
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tmyron
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| 01 Apr 2011 10:31 PM |
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Looks like a duck talks like a duck. Must b true what y'all wrote. Bcause the last post was in oct of last year. Guess our right to free speech does not apply here |
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tmyron
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Looks like a duck talks like a duck. Must b true what y'all wrote. Bcause the last post was in oct of last year. Guess our right to free speech does not apply here . Boy was I misled along with all other new members. |
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| 08 Apr 2011 05:51 PM |
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surryhunter1
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| 20 May 2011 07:57 AM |
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Stalker and 7mm Magnum put it perfectly. I am a member since 2008, Life Member since 2009, a relative newcomer. I think I have made a few dozen posts, not that it really matters. It must have been one of their "upgrades" that required me to establish a new password, etc. which makes it appear that I have only posted in the past two weeks. At any rate, I agree that the real value of the "club" is in this forum. I have gained much valuable information, enjoyed great stories, and hopefully have passed on something valuable myself. The real Clubs are your local rod and gun clubs, the NRA, SCI, NSSF, NWTF, RMEF, DU, TU, etc. None are perfect, but how can they be when all are run by people? If we all try to understand that we are all just people with all of our various faults, we can get through life much better, I think. See, there is some more opinion. Good hunting, from Maine |
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Surry hunter I totaly agree with your whole stament, and yah I had the same thing happen, I had to redo my whole profile and start at sq one all over again. The way I understand it is that NAHC was close to a real club in the 70's when it was founded but was severly commertialzed after its sale to the now north american membership group. What it is is what it is, thake what you can get and learn what you can for the many knowlageable members here. Many members have found new hunting buddies that really work out for them and others not so well but hay whatcha gonna do. |
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H2O Elkaholic
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Posted By 7mm Magnum on 29 Aug 2010 05:29 PM
Posted By H2O Elkaholic on 28 Aug 2010 11:32 PM
Terry,
Wasn't pickin on leetrumbull! He's a member, same as you and me, he can travel what ever road or trail he chooses! Hell he might be out here huntin Wapiti one time with you and me?
Dean
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Dean,... I wasn't directing my commentary towards you,.. but to this which WAS directed to you,...
Posted By leetrumbull on 20 Aug 2010 11:07 AM
What we don't need is a trouble maker!
This was at one time a great bulletin board for the membership to come visit and maintain contact with a variety of other members,.. many have which have parted due to a plethora of reasons. The main one in my eyes is the continuing revamping of the website that we all use here. Unfortunatly each one of their "upgrades" and their continuing to edit and delete posts made by us the more of us have chosen to leave here. All the cumulitive information that was at one time flourishing has vanished as well. There were so many posts by plenty of seasoned hunters that were lost during each one of their upgrades,.. reams of good information for any new hunter who had decided to join this membership have been deleted or unable to be transformed from the older server to the newer one. It's a shame,..corporation doesn't seem to care,.. the only thing they care about is the recruitment of new members to increase their income,.. and that seems to be ALL they care about.
I know I don't frequent here as often as I once did,.. we've already lost quite a few good people from the past 2 upgrades.
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I think that leetrumbulls' post, that is no longer here, (reflecteted in 7mm Magnums' post above.) says it best! It's not about senoirity or # of post. It's about information lost! And the Club doesn't listen. Like the new trophy membership. If ya pay more, they will pretend to listen. I payed my dues the first time around, I'm not paying more now!!! If they had managed their busyness right, they would have listened to the members years ago and not had to up the fees for them to to pretend to listen now! JMO Dean H2O Elkaholic |
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huntrdave
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| 13 Jul 2011 09:47 PM |
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It says it all in the name of the website, huntingclub.COM. If it were a true club which are usually run as not for profit, it would be huntingclub.ORG |
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JRicchio
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| 24 Dec 2011 09:07 AM |
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All you have to do to know that the "leaders" of this fine "Club" have lost touch with us, the people who actually are the club, is to read the "Updated Terms of Service" post from Feb, 2010. I happen to agree with most of what it says. There are, however, two glaring problems: 1. stating that comments containing "Membership Complaints" will be deleted and 2. locking the thread so none of us can comment on it directly.
It has already been said and repeated, but it bears mentioning again: WE ARE THE REAL VALUE OF BEING A MEMBER OF THIS CLUB/COMPANY. The magazine is mediocre, at best, and the staff, with few exceptions, are not worth meeting. Small story to illustrate my feeling on this: I happened to notice from a picture in an article in the magazine that one of the higher-level contributors/staffers lives in the same county I do. Just to satisfy my own curiosity, I looked them up and they are listed my local phone book. Would you care to guess how many times I have thought about it while I am out wandering around my VERY sparsely populated town where you eventually run into everyone? Not one time.
I do not remember the dates specifically, but I was an annual member for a couple years in the early 90's, became a Life Member as soon as I could, and at some point I (sadly, and for reasons I am unable to explain) I became a Trophy Life Member. You guys, the other members of this club/company, are worth every penny that I have shelled out and every bul{1}**** "gift" I have had to return or pay for when I did not get it returned quickly enough. You are all a wealth of information on nearly every topic in nearly every location. If it was not for all of you, I would have done what ever I need to do to have my membership canceled the first time I got a "e-newsletter" that was all about trying to get me to buy something I had absolutely need/interest in rather than giving information about haw to be a better/more knowledgeable hunter.
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well as far as I am concerned, I will not renew my membership unless some changes are made. I also think that the so called Pro's who are on staff (kyser, weyshun sorry for the misspelling) need to speak up considering that thier names are attached to the NAHC, but who knows thier paychecks might interfer with that. I'm glad bill has gotten three bucks this year, just wish he put more attetion to the member satisfaction, truely a disappointment. |
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| 06 Jan 2012 05:27 AM |
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I have repetedly made comment to bill miller through the myspace page, and he has reponded back, and yes with that form letter responce, and to the club in general, that mr miller needs to spend more time listening to the membership and take a couple less hunts paid for by those of us that probly will never be able to afford to go on hunts like that.
I wouldnt and learned not to hold your breath waiting for them to change because it just isnt going to happen.
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The great white hunter, Bill Miller only managed to kill 3 bucks????? Hell, I killed 6 bucks and a doe, myself; and I can't afford to go anywhere special to hunt. I killed 4 of my 7 deer within 500 yards of my back door, and the other 3 were all killed less than 10 miles from my house!!!!!!! |
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| 06 Jan 2012 02:15 PM |
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well common rt, you dont expect billy to give up his very expencive box hunts do you, because I am really beginning to feel the way this place is run they are not free range hunts lol. He probly dosent even know what it means to just go if he isnt going to make money and not have to spend his own. God I hope jim shokey isnt putting his well known name in with this place anymore, these poor guys are getting used big time as a promotional tool. that is something you would expect from T/C or hevi shot, real tree so on and so forth. So if the club is paying these guys than we are the fools and they are the sell outs.
Sorry I am just at the point that this place is a cash cow that I am ready to have no afilliation with. I just sent the club a nice letter on the issues of members that do the test program the way that the club outlines and get squat and some of the other lagit issues that have been mentioned over the last year or so. this will tell if the club actually cares and I will stick around or go anti NAHC/NAMG. |
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H2O Elkaholic
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| 12 Jan 2012 02:00 AM |
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Hello, hello! Is the club listening? Hello Peggy are you there?
Even as a business you should be listening! NAHC, WHAT?, are you doing to adress the concerns?
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| 31 Mar 2012 11:04 PM |
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After reading all these 'complaints' and references to the "terms of service'.
Thought I should read 'em for the first time.
Oh man do you ever sign your life away if you join this operation!
Sure am glad I never gave them access to my credit card and paid direct instead.
They'd of bankrupted me much sooner than I ever could with my own wild spending
sprees.
And to think we as members are NOT allowed to complain about the club. Wonder
what brought them to insert 'that' section to the rules n regs of this place.
How would you like to work for an org that you couldn't complain about??
I sure wouldn't last long that's for sure.
Wish you all the best and hope you enjoy these forums & the mags as that seems to
be the only thing we'll ever get for our dues. Nope, this is not a complaint, just the facts
as I see it. As 'they' say, everything posted under our passwords is only our own opinion.
George
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| 03 Apr 2012 11:41 PM |
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Interesting thread. I was pleasantly surprised about a month ago when I received a DVD from the NRA, and in their letter they said that since I hadn't ordered it I didn't have to send it back. They also included a postage paid envelope in case I did want to send it back. I was more than happy to send it back since they didn't use the hard sell tactics.
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| 19 May 2012 08:36 AM |
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Interesting thread. I was pleasantly surprised about a month ago when I received a DVD from the NRA, and in their letter they said that since I hadn't ordered it I didn't have to send it back. They also included a postage paid envelope in case I did want to send it back. I was more than happy to send it back since they didn't use the hard sell tactics.
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My wife got a DVD from the NRA about concealed carry., but they did not include a return envelope with postage paid and it said she could keep it even if she did not pay for it. So I just forgot about it, then they sent another bill for it, so I called them. The woman said to just keep it and I told her to never send anything else that we did not order. The NAHC tried that quite a while back and now they do not send me anything I do not order. I am a Life Member of the NRA and do support them as much as I can. As far as this being a club I recognized this fact a long time ago, but after I paid for a life membership. Got a nice package with it and I am still wearing my leather coat..., but I would not do it again. I do enjoy the board so I guess it was not a big loss. To each their own, some get a lot more out of it than I do, so enjoy it for what it is. |
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castman
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| 29 Sep 2012 07:46 PM |
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I agree we aren't members of a club. Just a website. A chat site. All of the things offered are not that great. With the money they get from advertising,we should have at least one place we could all meet other members. Like a Club House somewhere in a central location . We don't have any say in anything,I never saw a financial discloser. My wife goes on facebook and it doesn't cost her a penny to talk to her friends. They have me becoming a member in 2010,I was a member long before that. They don't even keep accurate records. Why don't we start our own club,All we need is some good sportsminded people. Let me know I'll join a real club. |
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crippledhunter
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| 29 Sep 2012 11:58 PM |
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castman, first of all the "club"has members world wide! where is centrally located? and i am in washington state, we have a "get togather" for our members! have had it for years! last years had to be cancelled because of timing issues with members, but we will have another this year! the reason they have you as starting in 2010 was that was 1 of the forum upgrades! everyone has that date not just you! and many members have started there own chat rooms! at 1 time i belonged to many of them! if you read any of the comments before your post you would know this is a company not a club!what you paid your money for was the chance to test stuff, the forums here, and maybe winning 1 of the contests! does your job show you a financial statement? no cause it thier company! same here! if it was a real club they would fight to keep your gun rights! this 1 dont! if you want to join a "real" club try ducks unlimited, or rocky mountian elk foundation, or trout unlimited! i for 1 have made some great frienships thru this club! i have had at 6 differnt members to my home! and would welcome many more! thats the real benifit to this club! it`s the people that are in it! |
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castman
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If they have that many members they need more than one . Maybe if they stop going on those hunting vacations they could do this for us. And if we are not a club then they decieved us in the begining by calling it a club and not a company. They should clarify that point before they sell what they call MEMBERSHIPS. They are using our numbers to sell advertisements and make themselves money,why then did we have to pay to join? |
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| 30 Sep 2012 07:57 AM |
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As has been posted numerous times, when the Paul and Steve Burke first formed the NAHC, there was hunting land owned by the "CLUB" and members could use those lands, the original concept was quite different from what the NAHC is today. The magazine published a list of new members in each issue, and anyone who sent in pictures or a story had it published. There were organized club hunts.......that were actually affordable, and member input counted for something. When they sold the "'CLUB", the lands went away, the magazine stopped publishing new member names and began to selectively print member's articles and pictures. The company then was sold to a British outfit who came up with the Life Membership program, and everything got lumped under the NAMG, along with the Fishing Club, Gardening Club, and etc. After the Brits sold the company(yet again) the new ownership group developed the Trophy Life Membership, and the only thing the company became interested in was growing the membership numbers.
We've commented many times in the past, that this organization is and never has been an actual "club" wherein the membership elects officers, and establishes the bylaws, and operating standards. The name North American Hunting Club, was simply a trademarked name........nothing more and nothing less. Even back in the original formulative years, Paul and Steve were in it for the money, although they did intend to actually make it SEEM like a club. Nowadays, the NAHC is simply one portion of the NAMG, and is probably the largest money making division.
Just remember that never, ever, in the original membership agreement were there any promises that members would vote for officers, elect board members, be guaranteed field test items, or that winning any contests were guaranteed. We were promised that we would receive items on a "try it and buy it" program as part of our membership agreement, along with the original membership gifts for payment in full of the membership fees. What separates the NAHC from organizations such as DU, NWTF, RMEF, the NRA, and other similar organizations is the fact that when you join those groups, you are joining a non-profit organization. When you join groups like the NAHC, the Sportsmen of America, Buckmasters, and others similar to them, you are becoming a member of a for-profit organization. Simply having the term "CLUB" in a name, certainly doesn't make an organization an actual member driven social club!!!!!!! Even those folks who live and breath facebook, have no say in how it's operated.....unless they were dumb enough to invest in the stock, and then they have very little say!!!!!!!!!!! |
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crippledhunter
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| 30 Sep 2012 10:55 AM |
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castman did you read the terms of service before you signed up? for us? thats a joke! they dont care about "us"! like i said it is a company! does cabela`s care about you, no but they will take your money!! did you even read the first post on this thread? how did they decieve you, if you read the TOS you would have known all before you joined! thats why they have this "club" so you can pay for thier vacations! and if you dont want them selling your info you can stop them just call and tell them to stop! as long as "you" let them they will sell your info!!
there will never be a clubhouse!! but as i have said in washington there is a "GT" every year!! maybe you should try and start 1 in your home state! and not just the members in washington come to the "GT" i know members from oregon and wyoming have been there too! sometimes there have been 60 or 70 people at these things! it is a 3 day event, you see thats the true benfit of this club! the members!!!! if your looking for more your going to be dissapointed!!
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holly
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| 30 Sep 2012 11:26 AM |
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Hey Crippledhunter when do you have the GT .I might even come up from CA if it works out . |
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| 30 Sep 2012 06:25 PM |
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holly, the dates for 2013 is june 10th - the 13th! |
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| 14 Oct 2012 01:51 AM |
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Wow! I'm surprised this is still around. Thought the club would have deleted it long ago?
I started this a couple years ago because the club wasn't listening. And, obviously, they are still not listening! Or it would not still be an issue!
I do want to set some things straight. The Washington GT is not there to condem our club. I as a founding member of the first Washington GT, helped set it up as a place where members of the club could share family's and hunts. What I thought represented the NAHC when I first joined in 1978. I've met friends at the WA GT. I've hunted with many members that have shared with me their stories and hunts, and I have shared what I know with them.
I've not attend all of the Washington GTs, as I now live in Wyoming. It's a bit of a drive to get to Ellensburg, but worth the trip!!!
Holly, I know you and I have butted heads. If you travel to the WA GT, me and my wife will be there, as will be many new friends.
We are the Club! And our Club shares information, friendsship and hunts.
We are the members, and they can't take that away from us.
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holly
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| 14 Oct 2012 09:35 AM |
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Crippledhunter .I will be on the east coast at that time in june .We will be headed to DC in may and then work our way back out here .Will be back around the first of July.
Dean who keeps count on stuff like that .I don't and most on here don't either .Just two different opinions . |
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| 14 Oct 2012 07:16 PM |
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holly to bad i would have loved to have met you and your wife! |
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holly
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| 14 Oct 2012 09:04 PM |
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The way things look we will probly be some where close to where Dean lives at that time .In our travles I try to meet as meany people as I can . |
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Steve
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| 15 Oct 2012 10:04 AM |
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If you happen to get around the Albany NY area give a shout. We're actually a little over an hour south of there but most folks have heard of Albany. ;-) |
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holly
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| 15 Oct 2012 10:30 AM |
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I will steve .As we plan on goig up north in NY . |
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Steve
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| 15 Oct 2012 01:50 PM |
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Cool! You gonna tour West Point on your way through? The Franklin Roosevelt and Vanderbilt homes are here too as well as the Robert Morse place. If you're into vintage planes, there are two air shows each weekend at the Rhinebeck Aerodrome. The "stories" are mainly targeted to entertain young children but the planes are awesome. They have quite a few vintage WW I era planes, and earlier, that they fly, all original. They also have a bunch more that you can view that they don't fly. You can even take a ride in an open cockpit biplane. Here's a link to that site. http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/index.p...&Itemid=87 A lot to do/see in the area. |
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SteelCandy
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| 15 Oct 2012 02:11 PM |
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Holly if you're going to be in DC and heading up to Steve, you can drop by my place for a spell! South central Pa a few miles south of the intersection of rts 81 and 83 on the east side of the river. |
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holly
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| 15 Oct 2012 02:32 PM |
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We'll see as I know the wife wonts to see different thangs in both states .I will know more in may as we will be in DC for about a week or so .There is things I want to see there as the Vetnam wall as I know many people on it .Guy's I went to school with .And I will see from there . |
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Steve
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| 15 Oct 2012 06:38 PM |
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DC's AWESOME! You can spend 2 weeks EASY in all of the Smithsonian Museums alone! Don't cut your time there short. |
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11bgrunt
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| 31 Dec 2012 01:14 PM |
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I really like the scoutlook weather site the Club/Company ( I don't really care what its called) I've logged in night before a trip and morning before getting up to date weather and mapping my spots and travels, like the zoom in feature as well can see right where I want to get to....so I like it just for that and all the knowledge here as well as the magazine.... |
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rthomas4
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| 31 Dec 2012 06:00 PM |
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Yep, read my post in the thread about hunting the full moon, in the "questions" forum up above this. |
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dcarter11
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| 10 Jan 2013 09:42 PM |
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guys. The bottom line here is that the club can be whatever we make it. Hang in there and lets make this thing work for us. After all, you can stop them from sending you all those books and coins and not have to worry about weather you send it back in 30 days or less like I did and still use the web sight and stuffstuff. I have tested some of the items of lesser expence and looking foward to getting something else to test. We will have to figure this rank stucture thing out and see what we can do about having a say in who is serving at what post. Participating in the blogs and forums might help and get some attention from the top. In the mean time happy hunting. |
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rthomas4
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| 11 Jan 2013 07:04 AM |
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dcarter11, evidently you are under the impression that the NAHC actually is an organization made up and controlled by the membership. I hate to burst your bubble, but the use of the term "club" is a misnomer exactly like the term "assault weapon"! We are simply subscribers to a profit based company and for our investment get a publication and access to a "members" forum. We have no control and absolutely zero input in the decision making process for the administration of the company by it's ownership group the NAMG. The folks who "serve" in the various positions within the corporate structure are hired and fired at the whim of the board of directors of the NAMG, not the paid membership of the NAHC. People need to understand that we are not members of a club, but simply a source of income for a corporation. |
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rkramer
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| 13 Jan 2013 02:01 PM |
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Ive got to agree with rthomas4 just subscriber's . Not field tester's,Not club participant's just subscriber's period |
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rthomas4
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Well, since StuffStuff took over the field testing, I've gotten 4 items in the last 7 or 8 months, compared to zero items in over 35 years of membership, so at least one thing has improved. |
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