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| 24 Nov 2012 12:25 PM |
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This morning while walking down a trail in the public access site I took my son to where I've spotted deer the past week and half we stumbled upon a hunter already set up in his stand, he gave a little whistle to alert us it was the main trail back to where we wanted to get, he gave a gentle wave I alerted my son as the ground is covered in dry leaves and we discreetly proceeded forward....was that the right choice or should we have tried to back track find a different trail back? Also I've been keeping a log I think I'm getting something figured out, all last week the days and times I went out the wind was S to SW, the past 2 mornings that I took my son wind was N to NW with the cold front and 40 mph gusts yesterday, didn't see or even spook a deer, tomorrow wind back to SW so feeling positive that we will see the deer again, I know yesterday the wind was just too strong, and today before leaving I walked a couple hundred yard circle didn't see anything, spoke to a couple hunters on their way out and they saw nothing either so I'm thinking the wind is playing a factor here....One last thing, I do plan to get out in the spring and meet and greet as many farmers I can offering to do chores in exchange to hunt their land, plan on setting up a trail camera if given permission, never had a trail camera but are they theft proof? I'd hate to spend a couple hundred dollars to gather information that would be helpful to have it stolen.... |
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MRD
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| 24 Nov 2012 02:57 PM |
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Where I hunt the edict is to go to where you plan to but give them the space and go on a big half circle around them . 40mph. gusts ! Don't matter the direction all info. is N/A in that stuff . Deer sit tight or go a random wrought in that wind . |
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Steve
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| 24 Nov 2012 02:58 PM |
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Only thing I'll comment on is the first one.
I think you did the appropriate thing. Wave to acknoledge you know he's there and then keep going, I'd move at an accelerated pace until out of range. Not run mind you but certainly not move at a stillhunting pace. I think you did the right thing, especially if it's a main trail. He should expect traffic in that case.
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11bgrunt
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| 24 Nov 2012 06:01 PM |
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Yeah I figured I was being respectfull, just wanted to get some input as well to make sure I was being respectfull and courtesy....unlike the other open to public spots I've been to we had assigned positions to hunt in you just choose your spot and if you are early enough get to pick the best spot, but at the Kankakee state park its open to hikers, hunters, cross country skiing etc...so its sometimes hard not to cross another hunters path especially on a Holiday weekend..... |
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mowgle
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| 25 Nov 2012 03:25 AM |
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Being in the army you should know NOTHING is thief proof. Trail cams are great targets on public lands. |
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bigrig
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| 25 Nov 2012 06:32 AM |
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I was taught that if you know of another way to where you want to go. Take that route. If there isn't. Which I'm assuming that there isn't. Then, you did the right thing. Another thing I've done if I knew of another productive area is. Leave the area and go to the other area. That is being respectful to the other hunter and showing proper eticate. I lived in the Chicago area for awhile years ago with my first wife. ( Lansing. She has family there). So, I think I know of the area your talking about. You did the right thing in your situation. As was said before. Trailcams aren't thief proof. Hopefully, the other people in the area. Especially other hunters, hikers etc. would have enough self esteem and respect for others that they wouldn't want to steal it off a tree on you. They are a great tool for us to use to help scouting potential hunting area's. |
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11bgrunt
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| 25 Nov 2012 12:36 PM |
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yeah Army certainly taught me their is only one thief, everyone else is trying to get their stuff back, but I would never steal something I just wouldn't feel right, payed for a couple stolen items in the Military sucks, thats why I'm gonna do some research on trail cams and see if there are locking features, like I said hate to spend good hard earned money to only have it stolen....that would suck.... |
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karmstrong2
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| 25 Nov 2012 02:12 PM |
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HEY 11Bgrunt I sent you a friend request. just FYI
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11bgrunt
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| 27 Nov 2012 04:58 PM |
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Appreciate it, I'm still new to the forums, trying to figure it out.... |
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slaymaker
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| 27 Nov 2012 07:44 PM |
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Hey, 11bgrunt... welcome to the boards! And thanks for your service to this great country!
I agree with the others... you did the right thing. Being public ground, you can usually expect to run into other hunters. Acknowledging that you see them and they see you is the best way to ensure both of your safety. Then moving on and giving him space shows that you respect the fact that he was there first.
As for the wind, I was out last Friday morning, and the wind was blowing out of the NW at least 20 mph and rocking my stand tree. I called in a flock of turkeys and was watching them when I heard something behind me. I had a smaller 4 point buck walk in from the east and pass within 10 yards of my stand. He stopped in the exact spot where I had shot a big 13 pointer six years ago. I argued with myself whether to shoot, and since it was the last weekend before shotgun season I went ahead and shot. Unfortunately, I shot low. I thought I missed altogether. The buck walked about 10 yards as I nocked another arrow. He then ran through and scattered the turkeys. An hour later, I climbed down and found my arrow stuck in the ground, covered with blood and hair. I found and followed a good blood trail for over 150 yards. As I neared the edge of the timber, I saw my buck and a doe run off like nothing was wrong. My guess is that I shot through the bottom of the brisket. Anyway, just goes to show that they are still on the move when it is windy... they just tend to be more cautious.
Finally, if I were going to put a trail camera on public property, I would definitely get a lock to secure it. So far, I have only used mine on private ground, but I still worry that one of these days, I might find it missing when I go to check it. |
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bpearce
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| 28 Nov 2012 04:37 AM |
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I think that it would depend a little on the time of day that you were going in. For instance if sunrise was at 7:00 and you were walking in at 7:30, I think it be most curtious to back out and go around. If it was before hunting hrs started or early afternoon for PM hunt it wouldn't be as bad. I don't hunt public land but this is how I would want to be respected if I was.
Now if this was a main hiking path and this guy was set up close to the entrance on that path then he might be the one being discurtious hoping to keep others from coming in.
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hutschig
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| 06 Feb 2013 06:32 AM |
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Deer don't move in high winds regardless of wind direction. Also, trail cameras can be stolen very easily. |
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bigrig
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| 09 Feb 2013 08:44 AM |
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My last post was just before I left for an elk hunt in Flagstaff, Az. This is what happened to me concerning this subject. While scouting a few days before our season opened. My brother in law and I came across a couple of bow hunters in tree stands. One of them was hidden so well we didn't see him until he waved at us. My brother in law didn't see him. I did. In both cases. We moved on and left them alone. During my hunt. I set up in a cedar tree next to a water hole. Two other so called hunters came along, and I stepped out to let them know that I was there. These two dirt bags just kept walking. I waved at them a couple more times. I even let them know verbally. I said " Hey, I'm over here." They just kept walking and set up chairs and sat down straight across the water hole from me. My brother in law said that a few years ago. The same thing happened to him with a group of 4 guys. When one guy said they needed to go somewhere else. One dirt bag said "Why? He doesn't own the water hole." He used a couple exra words in his remark like MFer. This is the type of people who give the decent hunters a bad name. People like this with bad attitudes and no respect for other people need attitude adjustments and if I ever took someone like that with me. Iwould school him on proper eticate in the field. Then I would tell him that I would hunt with him again as long as he adheres to proper eticate. And, if he ever showed that attitude again. He wouldn't ever hunt with me again. On second thought. I'd probably school him. Then say lets go back to the truck. We're going home. Then let him know that an attitude like that doesn't fly. |
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hutschig
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| 09 Feb 2013 11:44 AM |
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If it is on public land then it is perfectly legal and ethical, and people who hunt public land have to deal with that, but if there was a route that wasnt too far out of the way I would go that way just to be courteous to the other hunters |
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bigrig
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| 09 Feb 2013 02:03 PM |
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Wrong! That is showing disrespect and uncourteous behavior to do that even on public land. It may be legal. But, it isn't appropriate to do that. When we ran across those bow hunters. That was on public land. We left them alone. We where going to check out tracks around the water hole. But, to encroach on the oother hunters when they were already there is the wrong thing to do. They were there first. Just as I was at that other water hole first. It is a matter of what is right ,and what is wrong. To encroach on an area that another hunter is already sitting at is just plain wrong. You are right that if there is another way to get to a specific area. It is best to go that route. But, to do like what had happened to my brother in law and me is plain wrong. There are are a lot of people who weren't taught right from wrong that will come up and plant themselves right next to where you are knowing you were there already. That's not right, and it is rude. I have moved on to other areas when I found that there were people there already. Even though that was my favorite spot. That's the decent, and appropriate thing to do. |
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| 09 Feb 2013 02:17 PM |
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Amen Bigrig! And hutschig, yes deer do move in high winds, seen it many times. May not move as much if it's below zero wind chill, but they move. Heck, folks out on the plains wouldn't ever get a deer or goat if that was the case.  |
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rthomas4
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| 10 Feb 2013 07:35 AM |
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A few well placed gun shots in the general direction could possibly persuade people like that to move.
You can't help it if they didn't see that big azz buck you were shooting at, can you????????
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bigrig
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| 10 Feb 2013 07:45 AM |
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 rt Believe me. I thought about it very seriously. Then say that there was a record sized bull behind them. |
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hutschig
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| 10 Feb 2013 01:32 PM |
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I see your point and I apologize if I offended you by my comments, and I agree with you that it is the right thing to do not to encroach on other hunters, but I merely meant if you were stuck in a position where going through an area where there were other hunters was your only logical option you shouldn't feel bad about it. Again I apologize if my comment offended you. |
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hutschig
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| 10 Feb 2013 01:34 PM |
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Hunting deer on the plains is far different from hunting deer in thick forests. If you are in the woods and there are winds above 25 deer movement will pretty much shut down, but there are always some exceptions. |
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hutschig
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| 10 Feb 2013 01:35 PM |
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You shouldn't even joke about that. That is just ridiculous. |
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Barry
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| 13 Feb 2013 12:08 PM |
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Just do what you think is right . If you set up on a main path in public they should expect some traffic. Sure avoid if you can but not always possible. Good luck and happy hunting sir. Everyone welcome to hit me up for friends request , always looking to meet and chat and find out how others hunt. |
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| 13 Feb 2013 12:08 PM |
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Just do what you think is right . If you set up on a main path in public they should expect some traffic. Sure avoid if you can but not always possible. Good luck and happy hunting sir. Everyone welcome to hit me up for friends request , always looking to meet and chat and find out how others hunt. |
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Barry
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| 13 Feb 2013 12:08 PM |
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Just do what you think is right . If you set up on a main path in public they should expect some traffic. Sure avoid if you can but not always possible. Good luck and happy hunting sir. Everyone welcome to hit me up for friends request , always looking to meet and chat and find out how others hunt. |
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Barry
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| 13 Feb 2013 12:08 PM |
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Just do what you think is right . If you set up on a main path in public they should expect some traffic. Sure avoid if you can but not always possible. Good luck and happy hunting sir. Everyone welcome to hit me up for friends request , always looking to meet and chat and find out how others hunt. |
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| 13 Feb 2013 12:08 PM |
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Just do what you think is right . If you set up on a main path in public they should expect some traffic. Sure avoid if you can but not always possible. Good luck and happy hunting sir. Everyone welcome to hit me up for friends request , always looking to meet and chat and find out how others hunt. |
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| 13 Feb 2013 12:08 PM |
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Just do what you think is right . If you set up on a main path in public they should expect some traffic. Sure avoid if you can but not always possible. Good luck and happy hunting sir. Everyone welcome to hit me up for friends request , always looking to meet and chat and find out how others hunt. |
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| 13 Feb 2013 12:08 PM |
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Just do what you think is right . If you set up on a main path in public they should expect some traffic. Sure avoid if you can but not always possible. Good luck and happy hunting sir. Everyone welcome to hit me up for friends request , always looking to meet and chat and find out how others hunt. |
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bigrig
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| 14 Feb 2013 05:04 PM |
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hutschig: I agree with you on that. I've had that situation happen from both sides. We moved on by when it happened to me. And, I've had people just keep going when I was in that situation. Them two jerks that walked in to the water hole I was at really ticked me off. I'm being nice about my feelings on that one. The water hole I was at was at the end of a road. They walked in from the opposite side of the water hole from where the road was. Your also right that if your along side of a path or a road. you have to expect people to come by. It's going to happen. As long as they keep going when they see you. There's no issue. |
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rthomas4
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| 15 Feb 2013 06:18 AM |
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Since I don't hunt public lands, if someone were to trespass on my property, you can be damn sure I'm going to be slinging some lead in their direction, and I'm not even joking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Steve
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| 15 Feb 2013 07:50 AM |
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While the jerks that set up on the other side other side of the water hole were within their LEGAL rights, they were about as far away from being ethical SPORTSMEN! People like that are just selfish idiots who respect NO ONE, including themselves! I repeat.... IDIOTS!
RT, I'd exercise caution with that approach... You have no idea who it is or their level of mental stability, or more importantly, instability! You never know when someone may *snap* and shoot back, only to hit. Calling LE for trespassing would be a much better and safer approach IMO. It's always better to take actions that will guarantee seeing tomorrows sunrise when at all possible. |
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| 15 Feb 2013 10:03 AM |
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Bigrig I had that happen to me wil elk hunting in CO. .the two jerks came in and sat up just up the hill from me even after I let them know I was there .Peed me off so I got my chair and went down and sat by the water hole .They left . |
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bigrig
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| 16 Feb 2013 06:12 AM |
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I moved about 75 yards up wind from them. I actually had a better spot than I did when I was right next to the water hole. I could see more. I did have a few words to say to them. They just sat there. It seems that the best hunt of the year brings out the most and biggest jerks. I have seen more jerks the last three elk hunts than ever before. That includes outfitters. I ran across one outfitter just north of Tucson while javalina hunting that ticked me off so bad with his mouth that I threatened to get off the rock I was on and put my foot up his rectum if he didn't watch his mouth. Every outfitter I've run across has been a jerk. Thats been three of them. So, outfitters have struck out. Just like in baseball. One of them watched me tracking a nice bull. It so happened we were moving toward this out fitter and his 3 clients. They jumped out and shot the bull I was tracking. |
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| 16 Feb 2013 02:28 PM |
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Steve, I'd accomplish as much jerking off, as I would by calling the cops!!!!!!!!! Hell, as crooked as those sum beatches are down here, the trespassers would probably be cops or relatives of cops!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 17 Feb 2013 09:24 AM |
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Ron, wouldn't that be even more reason"not" to shoot toward them? We have a lot of trespassers around where I hunt. I just let them know I'm here and they shouldn't be, they will usually keep moving without conflict. I trespassed by accident this past season (I got a little sidetracked). When I realized I was on someone elses property, I unloaded my gun and slung it over my back. That way if I ran into someone, I could show them I wasn't hunting and just looking to get back where I belonged. I wouldn't want lead slung my way? Now maybe if they wanted to give you a bunch of lip, well, I guess I could understand differently.  |
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| 17 Feb 2013 02:00 PM |
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I feel you did the right thing. If it had been me sitting there when you came along, I would appreciate the acknowledgement of my presence. I have seen others that just didn't see me, suddenly stop in stunned surprise when I alerted them. Its the real bonehead that thinks anything is ok because it is public land that we are talking about here. That guy really doesn't understand that he is willing to accept a lesser quality hunt himself as well as ruining yours! |
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| 17 Feb 2013 02:08 PM |
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GLW, in my case, it's the same people repeatedly, year after year. They know damn good and well that they are trespassing, and frankly they don't give a damn! That's why I have become very aggressive towards these repeat offenders. As I said, the property they are trespassing on is my family land, and not only are they guilty of poaching, but also destroying trail cameras driving over food plots, and tampering with stands, and generally practicing havoc on our property. My biggest desire is to actually capture them, confiscate their guns and ATVs, and hold them for the state cops............not the locals!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 17 Feb 2013 02:08 PM |
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I feel you did the right thing. Public land is to be shared so this is to be expected. Question is are you willing to accept a lesser chance of seeing game yourself. in addition to ruining someone else's hunt, just because the other guy doesn't own the bleeping waterhole ? I'm guessing most would answer "no". |
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| 18 Feb 2013 06:41 AM |
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I understand Ron, that really sucks? The old property I used to hunt on was pretty much the same deal. The landowner would call the authorities and nothing would come of it. We knew who they were too! Most of the neighborhood didn't like these folks either, and it seemed they were in tight with the locals also. They would run patterns across the property with owl calls, this is how they would talk to each other. Dumb a$$es out in the middle of the day hooting to each other. |
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11BGUNT .. ON PUBLIC LAND YOU WILL COME ACROSST ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT THINK THEY OWN THE AREA BUT THEY DON'T SO IF YOU SEE ANOTHER HUNTER IN A STAND AND HE YELL'S AT YOU TO GET OUT OF THERE YOU CAN TELL HIM YOUR JUST GOING THROUGH AND LEAVE IT AT THAT.. I WORK FOR US FISH & WILDLIFE AND HAVE HAD ALOT OF CALL'S FOR STUPED HUNTER THAT START FIGHT'S ON PUBLIC LAND HUNTING AREAS AND MOST OF THEM JUST END UP IN HAND CUFF'S .... I MY SELF HAVE PUT MANY IN HAND CUFF'S FOR THAT SO JUST GO THROUGH AND DONT SAY ANYTHING TO THEM .. IF THEY START ANY TROUBLE WITH YOU JUST CALL LAW ENFORCEMENT AND TELL THEM WHAT HAPPEND AND THEY WILL TAKE CARE OF IT .. PLEASE DONT DO ANYTHING YOUR SELF .. I'M A RETIRED USMC SNIPER AND WILL DO MY JOB WHEN IT COME'S TO PEOPLE THAT THINK THEY ARE GOD .. AND MOST FIND OUT THAT THEY ARE NOT WHEN THEY BRAKE OUT IN HAND CUFF'S.. I'VE ONLY HAD TO SHOOT ONE IN MY LIFE TIME AND WOULD DO IT AGAIN IF , I HAD TO .. JUST BE SAFE OUT THERE HUNTING MY FRIEND..  |
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| 21 Feb 2013 03:25 PM |
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YOU DON'T HAVE TO YELL!!!
So, I guess spotlight and .22Mag is inappropiate for an "Ethics" topic...... |
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Posted By TOM IN TENNESSEE on 21 Feb 2013 04:25 PM
YOU DON'T HAVE TO YELL!!!
So, I guess spotlight and .22Mag is inappropiate for an "Ethics" topic......
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TOM IN TENNESSEE
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| 25 Feb 2013 02:29 PM |
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BG, probably come down to your "new" State this fall or winter....Let you know....maybe we can hook up! |
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