I have to agree with these guys while the guns are well made and function great that li'l brake action kicks like a 5 legged mule..'specially when using hot loads like those made for turkeys...even in the 20 ga mods, pumps are better as the have more weight (with the exception of LWs and ULWs) any of those pumps mentioned are great and can grow with them by adding longer buttstocks...the short barrel will also help if the youngster is vertically challenged and lighter weight...start with reduced loads...seen to many kids turned off cause pop thought it funny to have'em knock on their ear by shooting heavy loads in a gun that's just not suited for them...