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What's Your View Of The U.N. Arms Trade Treaty?

By: J.R. Absher

Jul 24

If an anticipated international arms trade treaty is ratified by the United Nations this week, what do you think the impact would be on the average American sportsman and gun owner?

There’s been a lot of writing and rhetoric regarding the negotiations that have taken place during the last three weeks, as world leaders attempt to craft international rules covering the worldwide weapons trade.

Details of the proposed treaty—and the weapons affected—have not yet been made public. In fact, it remains uncertain if the voting nations will ratify a final document at all.

But in the interim, some Americans—including North American Hunter's Mark Kayser—are raising concerns over a potential “gun grab” and threats to the sanctity of the Second Amendment should a treaty become ratified.

By law, any treaty involving the United States must be ratified by a two-thirds majority of the U.S. Senate. And 58 senators have already said they would vote against any proposed treaty that involves civilian arms.

Further, constitutional experts agree that the protection afforded to Americans by the Second Amendment—and the entire U.S. Constitution for that matter—will trump anything the U.N. could conjure up.

Case law makes it “pretty clear” that a treaty can't violate the Constitution, Jules Lobel, a constitutional law professor at the University of Pittsburgh, told the Tribune-Review.

“This treaty is designed to regulate arms exports,” he said. “The Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to purchase a gun domestically.”

And then there’s the political component.

“It’s an election year,” said Sanford V. Levinson, constitutional law professor at the University of Texas in Austin. “The political constraints are far more important than the constitutional questions.” Any treaty, according to Levinson, would be unenforceable.

That’s not to say a U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (UNATT), especially one involving small arms, wouldn’t be a potentially enormous burden for U.S. gun manufacturers, ammunition companies, exporters, importers and, yes, for the end-user—the American sportsman and gun owner—it most definitely could be.

But between a U.N. treaty and the Constitution of the United States, which basket would you put all your eggs in?

23 comments

# singhose
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 1:53 PM
If Obama wins reelection ,god help us. He will take away our guns just like Clinton did in his second term.. He has nothing to fear on a second term, his idea of America and ours are totally different...
# jareddavidson1
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 2:37 PM
I'm not to worried just don't we're your blue shirt as you walk up to my house. I'm on my way today to get the new ruger 22/45 light can't wait to go to the range this weekend.
# CDT071952
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:37 PM
ARE WE NEARING A REVOLUTION LIKE WHATS HAPPENING IN THE MIDDLE EAST. TAKE AWAY THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND TRY TO TAKE AWAY OUR GUNS AND SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN.
# npaul
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:07 PM
I think that the current administration has proven that they have no regard for the Constitution. It will be up to the people to remove these miscreants, and their un-American ideology, in November. If such a treaty was ratified I think that nothing would happen at first. But over time all of the hidden gun-grabbing schemes that are written in will start to come to light. It might start with a prohibition on firearms that are produced outside the US. Then tighter regulations for American firearm manufactures. Last supper strict limits and regulations on the types and number of guns you can own because; “that is where Mexican drug lords get their guns”. It would go on from there and would all be in the name of not violating a treaty that was drafted by power hungry, gun-controlling, American hating dictators and terrorist.
I may not lose my guns… but my children will. We must act.
# gdsummers
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 7:27 PM
Buy the ZCORR guns bags and hide your guns. The bags work!
# srondeau1
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:08 PM
God bless the real Americans that's all I can say
# RAbear51
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 9:09 PM
I would, of course, put ALL my eggs in the Constitution "basket but I'm fairly convinced that it matters little if I do. These Anti-American politicians will sell us out any way they choose if they think it will win them votes. As for the prohibition of treaty making that violates our SACRED CONSTITUTION..with a Supreme Court such as the one we currently have one only needs to take a review of their attitudes and behaviors in the last four years and most importantly at their ludicrous decision concerning the "shove it down our throats" ObamaCare health care mandate..Now there's a real thunbing of the nose to America. What a joke the whole friggin' mess is in Washington!!
# jswink7
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:27 AM
England tried to take away our guns and the revolutionary war begain. Is there a second revolutionary war brewing between gun owners and UN enforcers?
# mpalmiter
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:44 AM
We all know that if the government takes away our firearms, the criminals and crazies will still find a way to get them, and heaven help us. the whole should not be punished for the acts of the few. That is why I am paying my membership to become a life member of the N.R.A. They go to the source to fight for our "Second Ammendment" The right to keep and bear arms, so those of you who own firearms, please think about joining me and get yourself a membership to the National Rifle Association. Thank you N.A.H.C for all you do for us hunters and also for backing the N.R.A.
# dcarter11
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:58 AM
In spite of all the fray there be only one thing to say God bless the U.S.A.
every day is independance day. let us not forget what to remember as we fly our Flag for all the see. The cost of freedom and the price to be paid to remain free.
# longbow56
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:56 AM
All I know is oboma has got to go, He is a power hungery commy, Do not be afraid to tell like it is, he was born out of wedlock where he was born no one knows where, plus he is a muslim bent on distroying AMERICAN FREEDOMS working toward total one world dictatorship, When people wakeup an see the light the good LORD gave us the freedom will ring for us all, We will be free no matter what the outcome.
LET FREEDOM RING
# Steve_G
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:16 PM
Well let's hope our NRA reps have spoken for us. Until the final draft is made public, we won't really know.

However, given this administrations track record, I'm not holding my breath.
# dluster
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:33 PM
Get the U.S. out of the U.N. and the U.N. out of the U.S..
# CBOutfitting
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 6:13 PM
This so call treaty will not affect us as a gun toting population, but will show who in our government we should vote off in Nov and all other elections coming up. Remember who voted for this ignorant third world country "Obamination" and get them out as soon as possible. The only person that understood the USA and our gun access was the Emporer of Japan before WWII, when he said something like I would never invade the USA as there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. Now that is some smart thinking. Shoot straight my friends.
# tschulte1
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 7:15 PM
What business does the UN have to tell us what to do? WE are suppose to be a free country. Screw the UN and Onboma. Let's live by our Constitution.We are suppose to have that right!
# dkahlstrom
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:39 PM
As A Gunsmith it will come down to use to make the parts for the guns that will be banned in this treaty.What mean by this is the imported guns that gun owners have.Who is to say that parts will be avalaible.So be sure to talk with your local gunsmith and see if he can make parts for your imported guns
# AntonyK
Thursday, July 26, 2012 4:27 AM
It should never be allowed to subvert the Constitition!
# DWINSLETT
Thursday, July 26, 2012 9:29 AM
Fight and kill every UN troop, every demoncrat, every liberal. We have given our republic away!
# jscott21
Thursday, July 26, 2012 10:18 AM
If I remember my high school civics class any treaty the U.S. enters into must be ratified by a 2/3 majority in the senate. I don't think they'll ever get the votes, not if they want to be re-elected.
# MDIGGS
Saturday, July 28, 2012 7:58 AM
Obama is doing EVERYTHING he can to become a socialist dictator, beginning with stopping guns, he knows he can't do it by law right now so he's going to try and sign this to stop U.S.A gun manufacturing so there won't be as many and we won't be able to buy benellis sks and any other guns from abroad
# nharcher
Monday, July 30, 2012 10:21 AM
The un is here in rockefeller center as US is host country for UN. Think its about time they move to somwhere like afganihstan, or iraq or quite frankly anywhere but on US soil and see what kind of world policing they can do if they didn't have the freedom our ancestors lived and died to protect. So they would have a place to meet in relative peace. Good luck in their search! I dont like getting backhanded when there isn't much we can do about it most would consider this a "Sucker Punch" and i for 1 cant stand that. One last thing good luck to all you senators on getting reelected if this goes through.
# Ken King
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 9:49 PM
All I can say is if (or when) they pass a law that makes gun ownership illegal ....I guess I just became an outlaw.
# Foxriveroutlaw1
Thursday, August 09, 2012 12:42 PM
We need to stay on our Representatives and Senators that we oppose this treaty. I've been letting them know I oppose it. There are 50+ Senators that oppose it. If it is signed the Senate can vote and kill it.

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