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Hunting, The NRA And Big Government

By: Luke Hartle

Apr 26

My Web editor just sent me a link to an article published the other day by The New York Times, written by an Oregon woman who is a self-labeled hunter but self-admitting opponent of the NRA. You can read it here, and I encourage you to do so, but the general purpose of the ink is a “separation of church and state” approach to the NRA and hunting.
 
For most consumers—myself included—the article carries immediate weight simply because of its landing in a powerhouse publication such as The New York Times, but it’s also equally laced with dramatic prose and legitimate statistics, making the author’s points quite compelling. So much so that, in a moment of weakness, a shotgun-owning, upland-hunting NRA member might look in the mirror and ask, “Does the NRA really represent me?”
 
So, here’s my question to you: WTF?
 
Let me back into this one and then come full-circle, attempting to put the subject in context by example. In 2006, St. Paul, Minnesota, outlawed the smoking of cigarettes behind the doors of public places … including bars. The rest of the state soon followed. Now, outside of enjoying a ciggy or two in hunting camp with the boys, I’ve never taken interest in smoking. Don’t like the aftertaste, and I certainly don’t like the smell of cigarette smoke in my clothes and hair after a night of raising hell on the town. But there’s something that bothers me much more than stinky clothes—and that’s when people (the government, in this case) telling other people what they can and can’t do. It angers me to no end.
 
Is it nice to go into any bar or restaurant and not smell of smoke when I roll out the doors? It sure is. But in those days when folks could smoke inside public establishments and I smelled like the smoke of burning cigarettes because of it, it was as much my choice to stay as it was theirs to smoke. And now that the smoke is gone, it scares me to pieces wondering what’s next. Society calls this the Snowball Effect.
 
And so it goes with the NRA. They took a stance to oppose all legislative advances toward any gun restrictions, and have been unwavering since. If you don’t care about heavy restrictions on “assault weapons” because it doesn’t affect the ownership of your shotgun and your ability to shoot pheasants—you should. It’s the Snowball Effect. Do a bit of research and you’ll discover that attempts to ban all semi-automatic guns, including your pheasant thumper, have already been tried by our government and defeated by NRA-backed efforts. Better still, do a bit of research on exactly which “assault weapons” have been under fire and you’ll be quick to learn that those guns and your semi-auto shotgun have quite a bit in common.
 
Am I paranoid that “they” are going to come to my door and take away all my guns? Nope. But I know what’s important to me and I’m not willing to budge an inch when making my stand.
 
Understand that, as a hunter, distancing yourself from the NRA is like boycotting spoons and then whining because you have no way to eat your soup.
 
Keep your nose to the wind.

 

32 comments

# Riisuuntukaa
Thursday, April 26, 2012 1:47 PM
semiautos...then pump and lever actions...then bolt actions and single shots...before long all we can legally own are muzzleloaders and bows (but not crossbows because they went away with single shots). support the NRA, support your local gun and hunting clubs! (and dont do anything with your firearms that will give anti-gun fanatics something to use against us)
# Luke Hartle
Thursday, April 26, 2012 2:03 PM
Amen, Riisuuntukaa! If we don't stand for something, we'll fall for anything.
# jflynn511
Thursday, April 26, 2012 4:38 PM
Absolutely always stand right beside the NRA.This is the most important tool for keeping our 2nd Ammendment rights.All these anti-gun freaks want to do is take away every gun in America. And none of them will rest until this can happen.
# RAbear51
Friday, April 27, 2012 6:00 AM
Luke..Absolutely brilliant piece and I couldn't have said it better. You have echoed my statements posted here previously,my overall belief base regarding this issue and..I Hope..the views of most sportsman/women and gun owners alike. While at times the NRA has endorsed an issue or two that SEEMED to be radical or unnecessary the bottom line is this.. The NRA is and has ALWAYS been our primary advocate as freedom loving,gun owning citizens and has NEVER been willing to submit to liberal pressures and intimidations regarding our basic RIGHTS granted by the 2nd Amendment. Their persistant and obstinate resistance has won us relief from the hype and outright lies of the opposers to our rights and if NOT for their efforts our guns would probably be gone by now. Thank you NRA and keep up the good work.To sportsman everywhere watch the events unfolding at the U.N. concerning the worldwide ban on gun ownership that the witch Hillary has ALREADY pitched in on the side of...WITHOUT our permission or input. Give 'em an inch.......you know the drill. Thanks Luke.
# FRUlery
Friday, April 27, 2012 7:06 AM
As both a retired Army NCO and a deputy sheriff, I would not consider anything less than full support for the NRA. I am a life member, my wife is a life member and my college student son is an annual member (making him foot some of his own bills). While a lot of our hunting has slimmed down to deer, we still enjoy going to the range as a family and practice with our collection as hunters and defenders of the family home. NRA is crucial.
# jimbowmartin
Friday, April 27, 2012 8:51 AM
I read the NY Times article and was not surprised to find out that the author had recently moved from New York City to Oregon. In Oregon, you probably don't need a gun for home defense like you would in NYC. Her claim that the NRA does not represent hunters based on how many hunters are not NRA members is like saying that the Democratic Party does not represent liberals because most liberals are not card-carrying party members. This is just another poorly-veiled attempt to divide us, hunters from shooters from NRA members, and weaken us for the ultimate gun ban. I strongly believe that if you own a gun, for whatever purpose, you should join the NRA.
# npaul
Friday, April 27, 2012 10:19 AM
With so many attempts to take our rights away bombarding us daily, it amazes me that a “hunter” would go to such great lengths to cast a pro gun organization in such a bad light. Gun rights are gun right regardless of how you use them. Gun control advocates don’t care if your target of choice is trap, silhouettes, Whitetail or Elk; they just want your gun.
Look at what the Government defines as “assault weapons”. One of the criteria is being all black!?! It’s ridiculous.
You don’t have to agree with every position of the NRA to know that they do us a great service. Stop whining, go out and enjoy the fact that someone is working hard to ensure that you have the right to own a gun to hunt with. Unless, of course you like the idea of going to prison for “killing the king’s Deer”.
# Luke Hartle
Friday, April 27, 2012 10:44 AM
Man, am I glad to have you all by my side! I know people with similar opinions and values to our own are out there, but getting them to come out of the woodwork and make a stance with us is oftentimes much easier said than done. So, thank you.

And I applaud all of you for criticizing and analyzing the article ... seriously. If you read between the lines, this article from a "hunter" is so skewed that it comes across to me as a very clever anti-hunting article by trying to separate hunters from the NRA.

It's scares me to death that the vast majority of US citizens are spoon-fed by the media. There's as much bias in media as there is in any other portion of our society. Heck, my agenda is always pro-hunting ... duh! But that's a blog for another time ... maybe next week. :)

Continue to question everything, please!
# alsea
Friday, April 27, 2012 11:52 AM
So hunters dont need the NRA?... B.S.!!!!
# RAbear51
Friday, April 27, 2012 10:26 PM
Luke...Kudos to you man... I don't believe I've ever noticed before the solid,down-to-earth philosophy that you displayed in the above response but I gotta say...How refreshing !! Keep up the good work,speak up,QUESTION EVERYTHING and don't be fooled. Thanks for speaking your gut so clearly. I appreciate someone that can "call 'em as you see 'em !!
# mrugg1
Sunday, April 29, 2012 11:58 AM
It's like the old saying ,give them an inch, thay'll take a mile. Snow ball effect yes, that's one way to look at it. After thay get there foot in the door,it's down hill after that. Make no mistake your rights are under attack.You can set back, you can say it'll never happen,and that's what there hopeing for.
# Baddad56
Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:06 PM
Proud Life member of NAHC and long standing annual member of the NRA. Long live the NRA & FREEDOM !!!
# ctruppi
Sunday, April 29, 2012 12:52 PM
Luke,
I completely agree with what you have written, with one exception. The NY times is nothing more than a megaphone for Liberal politics in America. The paper was once the gold standard for journalism however, it has since fallen in stature to little more than mouth piece for the Democratic party.
As far as the author, she is an Op-Ed contributor . Therefore, one can surmise she is left leaning. As that would account for the vaguely disguised attack on the NRA, the Republican party and Mitt Romney.
She appears to promote liberal causes throughout her article. For example, the demonization of big oil and natural gas, and global warming are staples of the Liberal agenda. Also, her attempts throughout the op-ed to minimize the NRA and her comment "the NRA does not represent me" are clear signals of someone trying to set an agenda.
# RAbear51
Tuesday, May 01, 2012 6:02 AM
She states that: she is a gun owner but not for personal defense..Fence sitter !! What do you use for personal protection?? A frozen hot dog?? a wet noodle.. ? if under attack I'm sure that your guns would sit there untouched..on principle..YEAH RIGHT !!
# annika706
Wednesday, May 02, 2012 8:53 PM
That article is rediculous! I am A NAHC life member as well as NRA life member. She needs to read "The Armed Citizen" and see that violent crime happens everywhere and people should be guaranteed the right to protect themselves wherever they are. We need to stop protecting the criminals! Obama can't pass gun control here so Hillary is trying to do it through UN treaties. Violent crime skyrocketed when England took away guns from the people. That's the first thing Hitler did when he came to power. Stand up for your rights. If you don't have your life, then you can't have liberty or pursue happiness. FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!!!!!
# dluster
Thursday, May 03, 2012 2:22 AM
Never, and I mean never, take anything written in the New York Times as anything more than a bunch of Che gear wearing leftists speaking to themselves. One does not have to be a donner of aluminum foil habidashery to know that lefties advocate the elimination of ALL gun rights. Because the NRA members stand athwart their agenda, they must be divided or squashed. Go ahead...make our day.
# SAM CHEMA
Thursday, May 03, 2012 5:49 AM
I will say it again. There are more girl scouts then there are paying members of the N.R.A. If you own a gun, bow or any other weapon and do not belong. You are part of the problem we are facing !!!!!!!!!!
# dsmolen
Thursday, May 03, 2012 6:28 AM
Sounds to me that this woman is trying to promote her new book which was conveniently listed at the bottom of the article. I'm all for promoting yourself, but NOT at the expense of others. Her uneducated stance on the matter will unfortunately be taken to heart by many people that do not truely understand what the NRA stands for.
# brichter
Thursday, May 03, 2012 6:50 AM
Luke - great response. What I have seen over the years are more and more people willing to give a little for the overall good. But, in reality US citizens are giving up freedoms and rights. To the lady in Oregon - ask your grandparents or older relative what rights they had when you were not born yet. It may suprise you! If people continue giving in on restrictions because it do not affect me soon over the years you will ask yourself what happened to my rights? Also, do some reading on past wars and what leaders of countries have said about the US. Its armed citizens is a standing army by itself. In Michigan alone - we have 700,000+ deer hunters with high powered rifles, what about all the other states. To the lady in Oregon - do alot more reading on the Progressive or Socialist movement and you will see what they have done since the 1930's. that means you have to read Conservative material. Ms. Lily Raff McCaulo - you need to get out of the country mind set. Also - until you are involved in a life change event like a home invasion, mugging, or rape - you can said "I don't agree with stand your ground." Police are at best minutes (3 - 5 minutes) away - but that is if they are called. What if you are not able to call the police - then what. I am a hunter, NRA Life-time member, CPL holder for that reason.
# silhouette13
Thursday, May 03, 2012 8:17 AM
i disagree, not to belong to the NRA is not supporting the other side. as an american it is your choice to support which legislative bodies you choose, if i do not give money to anti abortion organisiations am i supporting abortion? no. the NRA in my opinion is fearmongering claptrap, i belong to many outdoor sports clubs and organisations, all of which "claim" to be legislatively active in keeping hunting,gun, and other rights open. i do own guns, belong and support state level gunowner/sportsmens groups. am a member of the NRA and am vocal about getting youth involved. BUT i still find indoctrination and fear of what may happen if we dont yeada yada to be philpsophy by rote. sit back and look. has speed limits reduced us to walking? has drinking minimum ages reduced us to sobreiety? that being said i do think responsible gun ownership should be upheld. the rah rah and fist pumping of the NRA and Ted, do more harm than good when trying to get people on the fence or uneducated to lean towards gun rights. i have said many times. they are preaching to the choir, if you want to affect change, change peoples views, the NRA just keeps people already on their side scared. i would not be suprised to have my membership pulled, as like religion people who do not blindly follow are not usually welcome, and freedoms are only supported by people with like mind.
# jwisch1
Thursday, May 03, 2012 9:11 AM
support the NRA or else you will loose your rights, like the right to protest in front of the so-called leaders of this nation who are protected by the secret service. what ever happened to freedom of speach.
# annika706
Thursday, May 03, 2012 8:53 PM
Silhouette13- just try looking at the UN treaties that Obama And Hillary Clinton are trying to ratify. The UN wants an unarmed America. That is how they plan on getting by the American people and Congress.
# Blutrot1
Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:54 PM
I agree the N.Y. Times is now a political mouth piece.(as are most news papers) But this article is compelling. I have been leary of NRA's long term goals and still wonder what their real underlying motivation really is. Yet when explained in the terms used in this response by Luke. I find myself a little less leary, and little more appreciative as I am not willing to give my right to have and use arms in a responsible manner. And Lets not forget The right to bear arms was in the event of government that the people see no longer represents them. So of course there is an agenda to rid the public of arms. Ad I say from My cold dead hands! Let Freedom Ring!
# silhouette13
Friday, May 04, 2012 5:50 AM
once again. i am a member, the NRA does spend money in lobby. i do not think they present a good face to the non NRA member public. public forum is where peoples attitudes change. as far as the UN/ Obama/ Hillary goes......the NRA has is responsible for stopping that like obama is responsible for shooting bin laden. the NRA's main goal is to raise a couple generations of young shooters the marksmanship qualification program has fallen into the hands of people who treat it as an after thought. my distinguished expert certificate came with the wrong discipline 3 times...they just dont care. they have no issues asking me for money almost weekly. want to keep your guns....VOTE.the NRA cannot stop anything if the people in office do not represent the majority . i think ducks unlimited, safari club intl, NAHC, pope and young, boone and crocket and dallas safari club all do as much to protect our rights, with out comming across as looneys and extremeist. logical science not emotional fear mongering.
# Mike53
Friday, May 04, 2012 7:07 AM
Actually, this lady reveals her true self in the 2nd to last paragraph.

"If Americans’ hunting traditions are threatened, it isn’t because of bans on rifles and shotguns. The more likely culprit is the oil and gas drilling proposed in the San Juan Mountains of New Mexico — a beloved destination for elk and antelope hunters. Or the devastating effects of global warming on migratory game birds like snow geese and sandhill cranes. Or the fact that thousands of acres of United States farmland — and deer habitat — are lost to sprawling development every day. ".

This is the mantra of groups like the Sierra Club and PETA. Oil and gas drilling does not harm the environment the way these people would have you believe. I have seen bear and caribou and deer and moose, and other wildlife flourishing in areas where civilization abounds. Global warming is junk science, and for every scientist that swears by globlal warming, I will show you one that does not believe it.

Talking about habitat, have you seen the devastation that is wreaked upon the wildlife by our governments fire suppression edicts? Have you seen a deer or elk that is wasted away by starvation because of too many animals in a given geographical area? Habitat conservation does not mean "preservation". Moderation in all things is the key. She would have you believe that the NRA is not for habitat conservation. She would have you believe that the NRA is only interested in making sure that no guns are banned. She would have you believe that the big, bad NRA only serves gun owners, and not the rest of the citizenry. Not true. The NRA stands for freedom. Freedom to practice the sports that our god given rights afford us.

We are one activist judge away from losing all of our gun rights. Think about it. One judge deciding that the right to keep and bear arms is not an individual right. Not just guns for self defense. All guns. I'm not sure I want to live in an America that looks like Europe.

# jbibb
Saturday, May 05, 2012 8:11 AM
Banning gun types is a slippery slope. Give an inch and the anti-gun people Will take 100 yards. They don't have to ban hunting. When all guns are banned, we hunt with bows. Right? Oops. spears? Oops slings? I have have if those. Get the picture?
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# Countywide
Sunday, May 06, 2012 7:46 AM
Everyday there are groups working hard to take away our rights, and it will not end until we are all slaves with no way to fight back.
All our lives we have been taught ( America land of the free ) but study the law and find 1000's of things we are not allowed. and the list is growing. The Government is protecting you from yourself, because you don't know whats best for you! Keep up the fight for freedom and contact your Congressmen tell them how you feel.
Never give an inch.
# jswink7
Sunday, May 06, 2012 6:37 PM
#jes I have been a member of the NRA since 1963 and a life member of NAHC since 1968. It is true the NRA das been a watchdog of firearms rights all those years. One area that the NRA fails is in the endorsement of local candidates for state and local positions. The almost endorcement of Harry Reid was almost a disaster. He is one person with great power not to be trusted. I live in North Carolina and vote in the eight district. I learned that the NRA is endorseing a canidate that I would not vote, in fact I did"nt. I wish that the NRA would poll members on the local and state level. I have supported the ILA in the past, but I refuse to support cantidates that I woldn"t vote for. Nevertheless, I intend to continue my membership in the NRA. They still do more good than harm
# mpalmiter
Monday, May 07, 2012 5:40 AM
Our 2nd ammendment is in danger, and if not for the N.R.A. and all of its members we would be hunting with stones. I also am a life member of the N.R.A. and the N.A.H.C. and thank both, and their members and sponsers for what they do for hunters and gun owners. The government is now trying to take away our right to free speech also. Just ask Ted Nugent.
# elkhunterutah
Monday, May 07, 2012 7:27 AM
I have always felt like our former president, God rest his soul. They can have my guns when they pry my cold dead fingers from the barrel. We as Americans have been slowly stripped of our rights. The separation of church and state is one example. It was never intended to take God out of our government, but to keep the government from telling us how to worship. Once they get a foot in the door then all they do is push until something gives.
# stitchdog
Monday, May 07, 2012 8:47 AM
The 'hunter' that wrote the Times article is probably as much a hunter as John Kerry. Remember him?
# awelser
Sunday, May 13, 2012 11:29 AM
By the 3rd paragraph I could see through anti-gun mumble rhetoric. I stopped reading it from there. Annnnd, considering it's source (NY Times) I'm not surprised.

About the NRA, I feel it it "too" moderate. It tends to bend to PC pressure and ignore real guns issues affecting real Americans. Example: concealed carry in NY from other states.

Another: Pig farmers in Northern Michigan having their domestic pigs killed by DNR not because they might escape and go feral but because some pig corporation passed laws to outlaw small farmers.

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