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Will It Happen This Fall?


The View From Here


By: Bill Miller

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Sooner or later it will happen to you. One of these seasons you’ll be sharing camp with a fellow NAHC member who’ll carry an AR-style rifle into the field on opening day. What will your reaction be?

North American Hunter Editor Gordy Krahn undertook that experiment last November. Without telling any of the other camp regulars, he showed up at his lifelong northern Minnesota stomping grounds to hunt deer with a Remington Model R-25 chambered for .308 Win. and topped-off with a red-dot scope. As you might predict, he faced an array of responses.

Youngsters thought it was “way cool!” Some oldsters asked why he brought a “machine gun” to hunt deer. Everyone was interested, wanted to learn more and definitely wanted to shoot it, but you might not guess some of the questions he heard:

“How far does it shoot?” Well, it’s the same .308 Win. as in bolt guns, pump guns, lever guns and other semiautos, so it’s effective to the same ranges as all of them.

“Where’s the switch to make it full auto?” Civilian sporting rifles built on the AR platform are semiautomatic-only firearms, just like your beloved Benelli Super Black Eagle shotgun or Remington Woodsmaster .30-06.

“Aren’t those ‘assault rifles?’ That’s what ‘AR’ stands for you know.” No, “AR” is not an abbreviation for “assault rifle.” It stands for “Armalite Rifle,” which was the military predecessor to what’s more properly called today the “modern sporting rifle.”

“Isn’t that thing a machine gun?” Certainly not. Automatic firearms have been severely restricted from civilian ownership since 1934 and remain so today. The modern sporting rifle is a semiautomatic, meaning that it fires once each time you pull the trigger—just like the semiautos you probably already own.

“Those only come in .223 Rem. You gonna shoot deer with a .223 Rem.?” Manufacturers have geared up in a big way to produce AR-platform rifles in superb traditional big game hunting calibers such as the .308 Win., 7mm-08 Rem. and others. On top of that, they’ve created new hunting cartridges best suited to these rifles such as the .30 Rem. AR and the .450 Bushmaster.

“Can it hit anything?” The accuracy and reliability of today’s topnotch semiautomatic AR-type guns rank with the best of any other action. The Colt AR-15 and the M1A—both often mislabeled “assault weapons”—are the rifles most often used in marksmanship competitions in the United States.

Finally, “Don’t you know those aren’t meant for hunters ... just for war?” Fact is more of these types of guns have been purchased during the past few years for legitimate sporting use than most other types of rifles and shotguns combined!

This last one really gets under my skin because it sometimes comes from older vets who brought home their Mauser-style bolt actions, “sporterized” them and turned them into the treasured hunting rifles of generations past. Why should the vets coming home from the wars they are fighting today not be allowed to hunt with rifles with which they’re familiar and most comfortable?

It’s almost guaranteed you’ll see an AR-style rifle in camp soon. I might even be the guy hunting with it! That’s the view from here.

Bill Miller


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Parr

Location: bethlehem, GA
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Posted:9/23/2009

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You know it's funny. I have wondered the very same thing for a few years now. I have wanted to buy an AR-15 for Coyote hunting, but with the economy the way it is, it has been put on the back shelf. I think Mr. Krahn had a great idea. The .308 is still the same .308 that would be in a bolt action. We might see hunting evolve to a new level; is it wrong?

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maunum5

Location: olympia, WA
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Posted:9/23/2009

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That's for me!

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rday

Location: fennimore, WI
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Posted:9/24/2009

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It puts meat on the table we all cant afford what we would like I used a sks for a long time they are cheap and great brush gun.

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ujoutdoors

Location: newllano, LA
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Posted:9/24/2009

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The new Army Sniper Rifle M110 is almost the same thing in 308. It is extreamly accurate. AR-15 rifles in the field are not new at all, but you seldom see one in anything but 223 5.56 Nato. I just can't get over the fact Jim Zumbo is still working after he called the American Battle rifle a weapon of terror, I guess Ted Nugent's rehab worked, but I never agreed with either of them. I'll forgive him when he comes to Ft Polk and appologises to let's say the 10th Mountain. I believe the R-25 will be popular with the younger group of hunters, mostly GIs while you will hear comments from the penut gallery forever. As far as me I once shot 10 rounds off hand in compitition in a two inch circle with an M-16 on the Ft Ord rifle team, even the Army version is very accurate, more so than any traditional semi-auto. Wish I had one to jsut flat outshoot all the critics. Uncle John Outdoors

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gedwardson

Location: barrow, AK
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Posted:9/25/2009

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Is the R-25 only in a 308? Can it come in a 300 win Mag? I reload my own shells, for example 22 hornet, 218 Bee, 243 win, 25-20, 25-06, 222 Rem, 22-250, 270 win,300 win mag, 7mm mag, 308, 338 mag, 357 mag, 44 mag, 44 mag, and 458 win mag.

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gedwardson

Location: barrow, AK
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Posted:9/25/2009

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Is the R-25 only in a 308? Can it come in a 300 win Mag? I reload my own shells, for example 22 hornet, 218 Bee, 243 win, 25-20, 25-06, 222 Rem, 22-250, 270 win,300 win mag, 7mm mag, 308, 338 mag, 357 mag, 44 mag, 44 mag, and 458 win mag.

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gedwardson

Location: barrow, AK
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Posted:9/25/2009

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Is the R-25 only in a 308? Can it come in a 300 win Mag? I reload my own shells, for example 22 hornet, 218 Bee, 243 win, 25-20, 25-06, 222 Rem, 22-250, 270 win,300 win mag, 7mm mag, 308, 338 mag, 357 mag, 44 mag, and 458 win mag.

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gedwardson

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Posted:9/25/2009

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Is the R-25 only in a 308? Can it come in a 300 win Mag? I reload my own shells, for example 22 hornet, 218 Bee, 243 win, 25-20, 25-06, 222 Rem, 22-250, 270 win,300 win mag, 7mm mag, 308, 338 mag, 357 mag, 44 mag, and 458 win mag.

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mlamming

Location: napoleon, OH
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Posted:9/25/2009

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I glad to be able to witness this change it is welcome in my dear camp anytime

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bklmezeske

Location: manistee, MI
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Posted:9/25/2009

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I like it, alot. I recently got a Weatherby with the Blackhawk! Axiom UL stock in .300 win. It looks similar only all black! So I guess I have a bolt-action assualt rifle LOL. Best of luck to all hunters this season.

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Co_elk_hunter1

Location: grand jct, CO
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Posted:9/26/2009

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I just bought a Bush Master Varmenter AR 15 in .223 for coyote. This gun is great. Fun to shoot and extremely accurate. I want to get a red dot sight for it soon. If you are a critic of these guns, all you have to do is shoot one to be turned. I love mine, it was a little pricey but worth it. I live in Colorado where there is no shortage of coyotes so the price of the .223 round will make it a little easier to afford.

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jkittles

Location: fairview, MI
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Posted:9/27/2009

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just bought a AR 15 bushmaster the other day my wife will be deer hunting with it this year and is very excited about it ... and it is very accurate even my 10 year old son can shoot a 2 in group at 75 yards not to bad i dont think ...i figure aslong as it can get a clean quick kill im all 4 it!!!!!!!!!ive seen some other name brand rifles that dont shoot this well ....and i think i speak 4 most of us a clean quick kill is all that counts and should be what we are all after.. jeff from northern mich

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tlear

Location: gautier, MS
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Posted:9/27/2009

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I think the R-25 and The R-15 Are great weapons the calibers available for 09 are R-25 .243 win 7mm08 and .308 win. the R-15 is .204rgr .223 /5.56 nato , 30 AR. I personally feel much more confident with this model than the SKS or AK the accuracy alone should make you feel safer. as a custom Gunsmith the AK & SKS are the least accurate rifles made on the planet you can hunt with. Remington has exceeded as usual with top notch gear and the ar platform as built by any company is easy to maintain.

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tlear

Location: gautier, MS
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Posted:9/27/2009

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I think the R-25 and The R-15 Are great weapons the calibers available for 09 are R-25 .243 win 7mm08 and .308 win. the R-15 is .204rgr .223 /5.56 nato , 30 AR. I personally feel much more confident with this model than the SKS or AK the accuracy alone should make you feel safer. as a custom Gunsmith the AK & SKS are the least accurate rifles made on the planet you can hunt with. Remington has exceeded as usual with top notch gear and the ar platform as built by any company is easy to maintain.

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tlear

Location: gautier, MS
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Posted:9/27/2009

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I think the R-25 and The R-15 Are great weapons the calibers available for 09 are R-25 .243 win 7mm08 and .308 win. the R-15 is .204rgr .223 /5.56 nato , 30 AR. I personally feel much more confident with this model than the SKS or AK the accuracy alone should make you feel safer. as a custom Gunsmith the AK & SKS are the least accurate rifles made on the planet you can hunt with. Remington has exceeded as usual with top notch gear and the ar platform as built by any company is easy to maintain.

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Charles Gordon

Location: tampa, FL
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Posted:9/28/2009

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I am not going to rate it significantly high. To do this I would like to see it field tested by several knowledgeable shooters (which probably has been already accomplished - just not here) and more detailed specs. However, being on the slightly older side I still think it is pretty cool and would like to use one myself once I learn more about the reliability and actual accuracy. I remember in the hunting magazines in the 60's Remington advertising the AR as a camp rifle, and if I remember correctly for just over $200.

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jhamilton3

Location: richfield, MN
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Posted:9/28/2009

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I just bought a SIG 556 AR style rifle in 223. It is a piston driven system for increased reliability and easy maintenance. I put an EOTech holographic sight with a 3x magnifier. The setup makes it extremely easy to get a great sight picture quickly which makes it an excellent hunting rifle. It is very fun to shoot and not outrageously expensive. I am quite familiar with the 223 round (5.56 NATO) being an active member of the Army National Guard for the last 8 years. It is even more accurate then the M16 I used in Iraq. It is great rifle and worth the price!

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dalejrfanme

Location: winthrop, ME
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Posted:9/29/2009

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I am pleased to see more hunters using AR rifles in the field. It does not bother me one bit, and I don't understand why it would bother anyone. I am going to buy one someday soon, I just wish they were a little cheaper. From what I've read they are versatile, and extremely accurate. Only downside is they are a little on the heavy side for what I understand. In response to the comment about the mauser, I am using an old WWII mauser this season. One of the best guns ever made in my opinion. I also read about a new AR platform rifle called an LR 10. It is a little smaller cal. I guess but the info on it sounded very cool. Best of luck to my fellow hunters this season.

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jcorley

Location: skiatook, OK
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Posted:9/29/2009

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I would love to to show up in camp with .243, 7-08, and .308 to let my friends try thier pick. My SKS is fun, my Howa is accurate, but I think the R-25 would be the best of both worlds.

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marcavage

Location: grafton, WV
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Posted:9/29/2009

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don't mind seeing the new rifle, but hasn't anybody heard of one shot one kill, or taking ethical shots?

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vwinslett

Location: leeds, AL
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Posted:9/30/2009

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Ive killed a dozen or so deer with my Bushmaster in .223 , and Mini 14. Great accurate rifles . Shot placement helps in the smaller caliber. I do want one in .308.

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rtisdell

Location: bemidji, MN
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Posted:10/1/2009

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Life member here. I just picked one up can't wait to use it on deer, but mostly yotes. To have that follow up shot will make all the diffrents. The 7mm-08 rem. with a 120gr. hollow piont will carry just fine in a good wind. And lay the dogs flat. Good Shootin! Randy T.

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Lonewlf76

Location: eagle, WI
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Posted:10/2/2009

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I fail to see what the difference might be in what rifle you choose. I think your arm of choice should be the one you are most comfortable with and shoot the best. I have shot match with an HBAR and went through boot with an A2. Would I carry one in the woods? Probably not,but this is due to the fact that I prefer a cradle carry and over-the-stock grip. I payed for this on the bayonette course while holding the stock neck rather than the pistol grip,..skinned knuckle on the forward assist during thrust. I have a sweet Ruger 10/22 that I re-barreled to 17 Mach2 and put a Fajen stock on that has a thumbhole. I normally only use the thumbhole when shooting off the bench. In the woods I still carry and shot over the top. I have been thinking about scoping my M-14A(not M1-A) match rifle and carrying that because I like it and I'm confident with it,.over a Browning BAR w/ Trijicon scope that I spent a lot of money on and just can't seem to get to be a part of me like the M-14,..and the 14 is lighter! Also have a Howa 1500 bolt action that points really well once it's up,..but there is a hangup somewhere in the butt pad that makes me do a second shoulder. I'll figure that out in due time. Basically,..shoot what you are good at shooting,..regardless or caliber, action type,..or looks. It's not a popularity contest,..you are out there to hit your target every time.

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rtisdell

Location: bemidji, MN
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Posted:10/2/2009

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Lonewlf76 Hit the nail on the head.. People ask what I shoot all the time I tell them, What I shoot might not be good for them. I shoot a Darton bow and shoot it well, you might shoot a Bear and shoot it well. Point is if the shoe fits wear it. No 2 people are alike. Just get out there and support our sport!!! Don't worry about the other person and what they use. Now off too the woods to fire off a few rounds. Good Shootin! Randy T.

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cvidimos

Location: belton, TX
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Posted:10/4/2009

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carrying their relative for a year in iraq, i have often wondered aboout hunting with a civilian model. Having already mastered shooting techniques with the M16 and M4, i would love the chance to have the upper hand against my uncles in the field.

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cvidimos

Location: belton, TX
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Posted:10/4/2009

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carrying their relative for a year in iraq, i have often wondered aboout hunting with a civilian model. Having already mastered shooting techniques with the M16 and M4, i would love the chance to have the upper hand against my uncles in the field.

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droopydog

Location: seymour, MO
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Posted:10/5/2009

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I dont realy care for simiauto's in the dear woods. I've been sitting too many times, and heard someone emty the clip at some running dear or mabey something they heard in the brush! It goes to ethics of hunting, and the wrong gun in the wrong hands. I personaly like boltaction myself. It makes you sure of where you put the slug. Thats not to say my sks wasnt fun to shoot and i did take a dear with it. Just some people should not have a simiauto.

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droopydog

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Posted:10/5/2009

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I dont realy care for simiauto's in the dear woods. I've been sitting too many times, and heard someone emty the clip at some running dear or mabey something they heard in the brush! It goes to ethics of hunting, and the wrong gun in the wrong hands. I personaly like boltaction myself. It makes you sure of where you put the slug. Thats not to say my sks wasnt fun to shoot and i did take a dear with it. Just some people should not have a simiauto.

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tcencore

Location: fitzpatrick, AL
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Posted:10/5/2009

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check out the gas piston upgrade from www.tnwfirearms.com. It's a great upgrade. Bushmaster's GPS guns msrp is $1795. You can get the upgrade for $249 delivered.

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stlcardinalfan

Location: chatham, IL
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Posted:10/19/2009

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If you need that many shots to take down a deer, you shouldn't be hunting. I agree with the whole ethics thing. You shouldn't be emptying clips at running deer or something you have heard in the bush. With an AR style gun, it is really easy. High capacity semi autos allow people to get into the mindset of "Well I'll just aim in the general direction and start pulling the trigger as fast as I can." People aren't marksmen anymore. They just want to spray the target with bullets. Real snipers use a Remington 700 (M24)

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tvinduska

Location: hutchinson, KS
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Posted:10/20/2009

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some good points made all around, the only thing i would add is it starts w ith range time and finding the gun that fits you well<the good thing i like about the newly coveted rifle is that it can teach you target acquisition better' the weight of traditional "deer" rifles is a little much for sum individuals to perform with especially with targets on the move. the less people have to think about while hunting the more likely they will be successful! for teaching my 8year old daughter it takes one shot @ a time< but as she grows older and more comfortable, its good to have more in the chamber<

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wcheney

Location: florence, SC
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Posted:10/21/2009

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Lots of good comments! As a Viet Nam Era veteran, I qualified with the M-14. I was never comfortable with that weapon. Funny thing was that I actually did better with the M-14E with the pistol grip and he straight line stock. I never qualified with the M-16, was just handed one when I arrived in country. Never a lick of trouble, but boy could I shoot it. Bouncing rounds off a 2" rock at 500m using a starlight scope was a blast. I would love to have a decent caliber on an AR frame! My own experience is that if it is comfortable with an easily obtained sight picture, that is the weapon for me! As the "ethics" question, it is never a question the weapon, but the hunter. Whether the weapon is a bolt action with a three round magazine or a semi-auto with a 30 round banana clip, any idiot that is going to spray rounds into a bush is neither a hunter, nor anyone who should have access to a weapon of any sort. I realize that the Army had to result to modifying the M-16 to only fire 3 rounds on auto, because they couldn't train the Infantry not to "rock and roll," but as hunters, we are after game that doesn't shoot back. The big problem is that most people have no concept of self control. Dancing around that by discussing magazine capacity or the ethics of hunting, ignores the real problem!

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berkey_justin

Location: vermillion, SD
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Posted:10/22/2009

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I bought an AR-15 DPMS .223. One reason is my bad shoulder can't take the 30-06 kick anymore. In the state of SD you are only allowed 5 rounds in the mag and one in the chamber, in my 30-06 i can get the same amount of rounds. What is the difference between the two?? Only that the AR-15 is quicker for a second shot, otherwise they both shoot the same amount of rounds. I was taught 1 shot 1 kill. For me my teachings from basic training there is no need for more than one shot. A true hunter can shoot any gun and be able to control himself. If you can't kill a deer with one or two shots, you better not be huntin, cause you don't belong near any animal with a weapon. Hunters know how to control themselves and their equipment. Hunter wannabees dont have a clue what they are doing and those few stupid people make it bad for everybody. EVERYONE NEEDS TO QUIT STEREOTYPING THE FEW BAD ONES, TO EVERYONE!!!

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jruss4879

Location: aledo, IL
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Posted:10/22/2009

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I bought a DPMS PANTHER LR 308 24" stainless this week. I have a 4X12X50 Simmons Scope installed on this rifle. After bore sighting and fine tuning this rifle is holding a 1 1/2 inch group at 200 yards reloads with National Match Brass, 125 grain ballistic tip bullets fired from a bi-pod rest. I feel this is my ultimate rifle for everything from prairie dogs through elk. I'm a retired Deputy Sheriff, x Marine and believe in one shot-clean kill. The new style rifles are a great addition to the hunting world.

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jruss4879

Location: aledo, IL
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I bought a DPMS PANTHER LR 308 24" stainless this week. I have a 4X12X50 Simmons Scope installed on this rifle. After bore sighting and fine tuning this rifle is holding a 1 1/2 inch group at 200 yards reloads with National Match Brass, 125 grain ballistic tip bullets fired from a bi-pod rest. I feel this is my ultimate rifle for everything from prairie dogs through elk. I'm a retired Deputy Sheriff, x Marine and believe in one shot-clean kill. The new style rifles are a great addition to the hunting world.

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neiting

Location: de pere, WI
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Posted:10/27/2009

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do they make a special .223 cartridge for deer

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coonan357

Location: middletown, NY
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Posted:11/2/2009

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This is just another part of the modern firearm evolution. I'm sure there were the same type of feelings when people started switching over from the trusty old wheel guns to the "plastic" type pistols, and the same when switching over from horse-drawn carriage to automobiles. I brought my AR-15 out last year to my father's hunting club to see if I could whack a coyote. Just before dinner, a younger guy walked in and said "nice gun." The next guy, an old timer, walked in and said WHO THE F*** brought a MACHINE GUN! I would run this gun against any gun in that camp and I could guarantee it would shoot better than 99% of the "normal" guns.

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spagano

Location: north east, MD
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Posted:11/5/2009

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I think it's good. I'd like one in the new 6.5 rem

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gquenzer

Location: cut bank, MT
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Posted:11/8/2009

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Different strokes for different folks ! I do not have one (yet) , but let's all stick together !!!!

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Joey Phelps

Location: washington, NC
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Posted:11/12/2009

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I think the AR platform gun will make an excellent addition to anyones collection of hunting rifles. The only reason I don't have one is the price. Maybe if they become poplar enough the price will come down. And I too think we should all stick together.

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Joey Phelps

Location: washington, NC
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I think the AR platform gun will make an excellent addition to anyones collection of hunting rifles. The only reason I don't have one is the price. Maybe if they become poplar enough the price will come down. And I too think we should all stick together.

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tpaytonsr

Location: dover, AR
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Posted:11/12/2009

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What ever is the most comfortable for you to shoot will make you a better shot! One shot one kill. For hunting I like my old bolt action the best. I went to deer camp with a man I worked with one time, when we got there first thing I saw was two SKS's with 30 round clips!!! I just turned around and went back home. AR-AK-SK-semiauto-bolt action!! The difference is not in the rifle! The difference is in the one behind rifle! Guns DO NOT KILL people! STUPID people kill people! I have been shot two times. Once in the deer woods, by a STUPID person shooting at some turkey in a tree! And once in the turkey woods by a STUPID person shooting at something that moved!!! Ole well. Pick the one that is right for you. Be safe! Be careful! And have a lot of fun! Good Hunting To All!! Terry P.

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tpaytonsr

Location: dover, AR
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Posted:11/12/2009

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What ever is the most comfortable for you to shoot will make you a better shot! One shot one kill. For hunting I like my old bolt action the best. I went to deer camp with a man I worked with one time, when we got there first thing I saw was two SKS's with 30 round clips!!! I just turned around and went back home. AR-AK-SK-semiauto-bolt action!! The difference is not in the rifle! The difference is in the one behind rifle! Guns DO NOT KILL people! STUPID people kill people! I have been shot two times. Once in the deer woods, by a STUPID person shooting at some turkey in a tree! And once in the turkey woods by a STUPID person shooting at something that moved!!! Ole well. Pick the one that is right for you. Be safe! Be careful! And have a lot of fun! Good Hunting To All!! Terry P.

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Cactus_Jack

Location: alamogordo, NM
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Posted:11/16/2009

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Great article Bill. This topic seems to be a hot debater and it's good that we talk about it. Seems mainstream AMERICA can't tell the difference between civilian and military firearms and quickly play "judge, jury and hangman" based on nothing more than an uneducated misconception of what "they've been taught". While many AR, SKS, AK platforms mimic those of military firearms, I quickly correct those individuals that condemn the use of these firearms. While I love my "trusty" bolt actions for hunting, I do own and sometimes hunt with both my AR and SKS! They are as fine a shooting rifle as any of my bolts or lever guns. My children are in love with these rifles and are driven to want to shoot them each and every-time I take them out of the safe. I had one child whom was fearful of the sounds of any firearm that was fired but once he got a chance to pull the trigger on the AR, it was immediate love and he hasn't feared the sounds of any firearm since. Now some people don't approve of these "machine-gun looking" firearms, but I've watched my children grow into the sport for just the opposite reason. Isn't that what all this is about? Educating and sharing our sport? So I say, "who care's what it looks like"! If it shoots true and the younger generation is willing to get into this fine sport because of the appearance, "so be it"! I love sharing my sport and I believe the sport will grow more and more because of these fine firearms.

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gstee

Location: bella vista, AR
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Posted:11/20/2009

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My personal feeling is a rifle like that in the woods goes against Fair Chase practices. I use a 1917 Eddystone, full military configuration, and still have open iron sights. Just recently, I have decided that I need to scope this gun, because it's getting harder for me to be pinpoint accurate. Of which, so I don't destroy the gun, I have found no-drill, no-tap scope mounts to put on it. I feel bad about having to do that, but to me, it's better than only wounding the animal, and it not dying right away. i also believe in the one shot, one kill philosophy, wherein, if you don't have a good, single kill shot, don't take it.

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gstee

Location: bella vista, AR
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Posted:11/20/2009

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My personal feeling is a rifle like that in the woods goes against Fair Chase practices. I use a 1917 Eddystone, full military configuration, and still have open iron sights. Just recently, I have decided that I need to scope this gun, because it's getting harder for me to be pinpoint accurate. Of which, so I don't destroy the gun, I have found no-drill, no-tap scope mounts to put on it. I feel bad about having to do that, but to me, it's better than only wounding the animal, and it not dying right away. i also believe in the one shot, one kill philosophy, wherein, if you don't have a good, single kill shot, don't take it.

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