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I have been hunting for many years and i have done rifle, bow, and precution cap muzzle loading. two years ago I bought a CVA kodiak . i have never removed the breech plug. because i am a hunter on a budget. tight budget. i wanted to wait until i had a new scope starter kit and bullets. i have the cash for bullets and 209 primers but i don't know if loose poweder will work it seems cheeper than the pellets. Will this work or am i doomed to let this beautiful weapon sitting in my safe it also has fiber optic sites . So a scope wouldn't be necessary? help please.
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As far as I know, there should be absolutely no reason not to use loose powder in your rifle. Some folks prefer to shoot loose, over the pellets.
As long as you keep your shots within your effective range, the fiber optics should work fine.
But on the breech plug..I'd want to get that thing out, cleaned up and lubed up with some anti-seize.
Jerry in MS. Teach your kids to hunt and you won't have to hunt for your kids.
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Don’t be afraid of using the granular powder, you’ll actually be able to tailor your load better for your rifle with it. That’s a couple of the drawbacks with the pellets, you can’t adjust your load and they cost about twice as much as the granular powder. The pellets were designed to make it easier on the novice muzzle loaders, so they wouldn’t have to fumble with trying to measure their load. (I bet I get feedback about that statement). There’s really no difference in shooting your side lock vs. an inline, just the ignition source and a faster twist rate of the rifleing. You do need to remove the breech plug and give the barrel a good cleaning before you fire it for the first time, and put a light coat of anti-seize lubricant on the threads of the breech plug. When you put the breech plug back in, don’t tighten it just snug it up. Otherwise it may seize in the bore and be difficult to get back out again. I usually tighten mine just barely over finger tight.
Fred,
Cleburne, Texas
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Thanks for the input. I do have another one though. In my side lock i would use about 90 grains but im not sure how much powder to use i have heard of guys using 200 grains of poweder with a 295 grain bullet. that seems a little much to me.
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Start with 80 grains of powder and a 250 grain bullet, work up with the powder until you get a good shot group at 100 yards.
I do not know of any Bp gun rated for 200 grain of powder.
150 is the max and you do not need that much at 100 yards.
Loose powder gives you the option of getting a tigh shot group by changing the amount of powder used. Sometimes it is necesary to change the type of bulleta also to get a good group
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I have been using loose powder in my inline for several years with no problems. Find a bullet/sabot combo that fits your barrel and you are good to go. My pet load is 80 gr of powder and a 300 gr Hornady XTP in a harvester crush rib sabot. My inline is not the model you have so you just have to try some combos till you find what your rifle likes.
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Loose powder in mine gives me the best accuracy. I shoot 120 grains which of course you can't configure with pellets. Good luck!
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Ok last question unless i think of another one lol. powerbelts vs sabots whats the diffrence when i shot my side lock it was patch and ball.
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loose powder can be used and does work the difference is one burns hotter than the other
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come on over to this site and go to the new to muzzle loading section and ask away they will get you set up 100% www.modermuzzleloader.com
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As I recall, pwr belts are .1000th smaller then other bullets, makes them load easier. But they many not shoot as well as other bullets with sabots on them do as they fit tighter in the barrel etc.
You need to try pwr belts, and then other bullets until you get the best shot group. Then that will be the powder load and bullet you hunt with. Trial and error so to speak.
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i have been trying to get online with modern muzzleloader but have been unable to gain access do you have a site i can go on to help me get into the site thanks hanki9
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try this one www.muzzleloadingforum.com
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camodaddy wrote: I have been hunting for many years and i have done rifle, bow, and precution cap muzzle loading. two years ago I bought a CVA kodiak . i have never removed the breech plug. because i am a hunter on a budget. tight budget. i wanted to wait until i had a new scope starter kit and bullets. i have the cash for bullets and 209 primers but i don't know if loose poweder will work it seems cheeper than the pellets. Will this work or am i doomed to let this beautiful weapon sitting in my safe it also has fiber optic sites . So a scope wouldn't be necessary? help please. Camodaddy, heres a list of what you need to get shooting. Pyrodex RS ( Loose form) 245-295gr Aerotip Powerbelts ( Max charge is 90gr with these, or else they fragment badly) Winchester 777, Winchester W209, CCI Inline MZL Primers ( Primers can make a difference between a great group and a bad group) Other bullets, Hornady great plains conical 385-410gr, 350-370gr TC maxiball-Maxihunter, 350gr Hornady FPB. Sabots: Hornady SST 250gr, 250-300GR Hornady XTP/Mag in short black mmp-12 sabots. Start off with 100gr RS, Dont go over 110grains powder. Your rifle is rated for 150gr loads but in pellet form. Loose powder will not burn all the way and you will just foul up you bore and waste powder with 150grains. Pellets in this department do burn better. But they suck. www.ThepowerbeltForum.PowerGuild.net
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thanks for the list.
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I never heard of someone putting 200 grains of powder in their smokepole. Even the newer so called magnum load rifles only call for 150 grains. While pellets are not as customizable as loose powder, the advent of pellets in a 30 grain configuration would allow some customization as long as it is in combinations of 30 and 50 grains. I got lucky and my NEF sidekick likes 100 grains with a 245 grain powerbelt.
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200 grs of powder is a waste of powder and quite dangerous in any muzzleloader we use today. You are blowing quite a bit of un-burnt powder out the muzzle with anything over about 100 grs as well unless you have a real long barrel. I did once see a guy with an older H&R .58" break-action that had a barrel of only about 20" pouring powder in directly from the can. I watched him a moment and asked "so how do you know when you have enough?" He chuckled nd said "I guess when the ball won't go in."  I backed away slowly before he touched that thing off. He shot several rounds with it, each time laughing and yahooing with glee at the boom, fire and smoke that sort of reminded me of the images of Hiroshima I saw. The gun always held but he never did seem interested in developing an accurate load for it.
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